Topic: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 36. (Read 34879 times)
The bookmakers can get back to work after the past games of the past few days (including today's games). What to think of all the title favorites that all disappointed 1 for 1? England even came 4th in their group, but are still seen as the favorites to become world champions. Made it to the semi-finals in 2018, but I don't see that happening anytime soon this year. France has also disappointed, but we have seen in the past that it doesn't matter much to them. Also happened in 2018 and then they became world champions. And Belgium also lost again against a mediocre team from the Netherlands. Only Italy impressed, but they are not at the World Cup. Spain also lost 1-2 to Switzerland, so tell me who is still the favourite
I don't know why everyone is so excited about the Netherlands. They are simply not in the same league as Spain, England, France or Germany. And you can't even compare them to CONMEBOL teams such as Argentina and Brazil. And overall, I don't think that UEFA teams are going to do well, because the tournament is taking place in Asia. I will be really surprised, if Netherlands manage to reach the semi-finals. They are placed in a relatively easier group, along with Qatar, Ecuador and Senegal. But the knockout phase is going to be hard.
Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.
What were the complaints of Brazil and Russia at the time they held the World Cup event? I remembered Brazil was about crimes and a bit of poor safety in Rio but all agree it was just minor complaints overall. For Russia, something about LGBT+ feels unsafe in Russia and their treatment of LGBT+. Also, complaints from Ukrainian because of the annex of Crimea. See the trend here? That FIFA doesn't give a shit and will grant the chance to hold the World Cup to the not very upstanding countries because of money.
Like I said, some of us were making noise. You might want to look up what happened in Brazil in the sites where they built the stadiums, and what's happened to those stadiums today (since you mentioned the furore of what happened building Qatar sites). Construction of stadiums involving worker exploitation is far from new, I remember at least Russia and Brazil had the same complaints, perhaps we didn't have social media as crazy as it is today.
So yeah, if we ate all that cake up, why don't we just eat this cake too?
Take action, do something. Or don't do anything and get on with it.
I don't buy awareness. People, if they aren't aware by now, well, they're actively choosing to be ignorant.
After that... money talks.
Money's always talked. It talks louder now. And people hear a lot of white noise and virtue signal. Take action, do something, or don't and get on with it.
I want to watch football and so I drink the poisoned chalice.
Gentlemen, we can keep complaining about Qatar (as some may remember also complaining about Brazil and Russia) and just get on with it eventually. Or we can get on with it as we did all the others. Or boycott it altogether, for once?
I think the last big boycott of event like that was in 1980, for Olympic Games in Moscow, no? And the many Western countries which attended decided to use "Olympic flag" instead of their own.
And then (in lower scale, only 16 countries) in 1984, Los Angeles.
After that... money talks.
Gentlemen, we can keep complaining about Qatar (as some may remember also complaining about Brazil and Russia) and just get on with it eventually.
What were the complaints of Brazil and Russia at the time they held the World Cup event? I remembered Brazil was about crimes and a bit of poor safety in Rio but all agree it was just minor complaints overall. For Russia, something about LGBT+ feels unsafe in Russia and their treatment of LGBT+. Also, complaints from Ukrainian because of the annex of Crimea. See the trend here? That FIFA doesn't give a shit and will grant the chance to hold the World Cup to the not very upstanding countries because of money.Or we can get on with it as we did all the others. Or boycott it altogether, for once?
Oh, we're going to get on with it but not without some reputation damage to FIFA. Weren't all the shit-talks about FIFA regarding the Qatar World Cup to bust people's bubble about FIFA like some sort of 'nice guy', upholding sportsmanship and international value? That they should stop sucking up to FIFA, being a goddamn bootlick next time someone starts their independent football league. Like The Super League, for example. 
Germany and Netherlands are also favorites, along with Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, and many others.
It's a shame that the Netherlands has never actually won a World Cup, I hope this one is for them.
I don't know why everyone is so excited about the Netherlands. They are simply not in the same league as Spain, England, France or Germany. And you can't even compare them to CONMEBOL teams such as Argentina and Brazil. And overall, I don't think that UEFA teams are going to do well, because the tournament is taking place in Asia. I will be really surprised, if Netherlands manage to reach the semi-finals. They are placed in a relatively easier group, along with Qatar, Ecuador and Senegal. But the knockout phase is going to be hard. It's a shame that the Netherlands has never actually won a World Cup, I hope this one is for them.
Qualifying for the next round from the top of Group A will not be too difficult. But each of their opponents in the Round of 16 will be very tough. However, if the Netherlands team is lucky, I think they can reach the quarter-finals. But the Netherlands does not have a strong enough team to qualify for the semi-finals. I am not saying that the Netherlands squad is weak. But if we compare it with England, Brazil, Argentina, and France, then the Netherlands will be far behind. So I don't think the Netherlands will perform very well in the World Cup.
Germany and Netherlands are also favorites, along with Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, and many others.
It's a shame that the Netherlands has never actually won a World Cup, I hope this one is for them.
It's a shame that the Netherlands has never actually won a World Cup, I hope this one is for them.
I don't know why everyone is so excited about the Netherlands. They are simply not in the same league as Spain, England, France or Germany. And you can't even compare them to CONMEBOL teams such as Argentina and Brazil. And overall, I don't think that UEFA teams are going to do well, because the tournament is taking place in Asia. I will be really surprised, if Netherlands manage to reach the semi-finals. They are placed in a relatively easier group, along with Qatar, Ecuador and Senegal. But the knockout phase is going to be hard.
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Before start of this event every country is favorite, and every team is confident about their win in this world cup, but things could be clear after the start of this event because right now nothing is clear even in last few weeks we have few players those are having serious injuries and most chances they will be not available for world cup is also having their own consequences for these teams, but still few teams are really doing good job and well-prepared for this world cup with their skilled players and current performance which is giving good impression Brazil, Argentina, France and England are currently in limelight for the win because hype is going around them
but few other teams like Germany, Netherlands and Croatia are also in good shape and can go for this as well.
Before start of this event every country is favorite, and every team is confident about their win in this world cup, but things could be clear after the start of this event because right now nothing is clear even in last few weeks we have few players those are having serious injuries and most chances they will be not available for world cup is also having their own consequences for these teams, but still few teams are really doing good job and well-prepared for this world cup with their skilled players and current performance which is giving good impression Brazil, Argentina, France and England are currently in limelight for the win because hype is going around them
but few other teams like Germany, Netherlands and Croatia are also in good shape and can go for this as well.
Germany and Netherlands are also favorites, along with Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, and many others.
It's a shame that the Netherlands has never actually won a World Cup, I hope this one is for them.
The Argentine team is very confident this time. All of them have a very good understanding. Coach Scaloni has taught the team well how to win the match. Everyone in the team will want to do well in this World Cup, at least for Messi.
Every giant country is confident: Brazil, Spain, France, Germany, etc, Argentina isn't the only confident team, and they aren't going to win the tournament with their confidence only. Argentina are contenders for the World Cup, but they are not top favorites in my opinion. There is Messi who is probably playing in his last World cup tournament, and if it is up to his teammates, they will want to win it for him, but that desire alone doesn't win tournaments. I feel this year may be Brazil's turn to win the world cup once again, they have a scary attack, and a very balanced team, and there is Neymar who is very hungry this year, i will be happy if he wins it.but few other teams like Germany, Netherlands and Croatia are also in good shape and can go for this as well.
The Argentine team is very confident this time. All of them have a very good understanding. Coach Scaloni has taught the team well how to win the match. Everyone in the team will want to do well in this World Cup, at least for Messi.
Every giant country is confident: Brazil, Spain, France, Germany, etc, Argentina isn't the only confident team, and they aren't going to win the tournament with their confidence only. Argentina are contenders for the World Cup, but they are not top favorites in my opinion. There is Messi who is probably playing in his last World cup tournament, and if it is up to his teammates, they will want to win it for him, but that desire alone doesn't win tournaments. I feel this year may be Brazil's turn to win the world cup once again, they have a scary attack, and a very balanced team, and there is Neymar who is very hungry this year, i will be happy if he wins it. 
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there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
There's also the fact that the Nations League prevents South American teams to play against most of the best teams in the world for practice.
Argentina ended up playing against Honduras recently for a friendly match, and Messi got almost injured from it.
Still Argentina seems to have hopes for this world cup. Here's some background about it: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/24/against-all-odds-lionel-messi-has-one-last-shot-at-world-cup-glory-with-argentina
there is no doubt that i dislike the fact that South American teams are not allowed to make a bid for the Nations League as this would have made the league more competitive
and would have generated more revenue with teams such as Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, and Uruguay competing for the league
after Messi was tackled in such a harsh manner, i was really scared
there is a possibility that he could have been out for months, who knows?
it is important to note that he is doing well now and he is the only hope for Argentina as he is keeping the team together and this may be the last time he is involved in a major tournament
i believe Argentina will have a good chance of making it to the finals of this World Cup if Messi's teammates support him well enough
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there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
There's also the fact that the Nations League prevents South American teams to play against most of the best teams in the world for practice.
Argentina ended up playing against Honduras recently for a friendly match, and Messi got almost injured from it.
Still Argentina seems to have hopes for this world cup. Here's some background about it: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/24/against-all-odds-lionel-messi-has-one-last-shot-at-world-cup-glory-with-argentina
there is no doubt that i dislike the fact that South American teams are not allowed to make a bid for the Nations League as this would have made the league more competitive
and would have generated more revenue with teams such as Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, and Uruguay competing for the league
after Messi was tackled in such a harsh manner, i was really scared
there is a possibility that he could have been out for months, who knows?
it is important to note that he is doing well now and he is the only hope for Argentina as he is keeping the team together and this may be the last time he is involved in a major tournament
i believe Argentina will have a good chance of making it to the finals of this World Cup if Messi's teammates support him well enough
I agree with others though, this is one that we could learn from and that is why we could improve, we never had it there, and after seeing why it's a bad idea this year, we could maybe never have it again there, it's just not acceptable conditions for football in this scale.
Not acceptable at all, and i am sure many clubs will be worried about their players participating in the World Cup, and they can only hope they return untouched after the World Cup, because club football will resume from where they stopped after the tournament, though there is a "club insurance and player protection fee/plan" by FIFA 
, but surely that's not enough to make the clubs happy with the timing of this World Cup.I feel a lot of money was thrown around and there was so much corrupt practices involved to bring this World Cup to Qatar despite all the red flags that are and were evident, no talk can change the fact that it is Qatar that's hosting the world in a few weeks time, football fans like us should just hope we get a show to entertain ourselves.
Gentlemen, we can keep complaining about Qatar (as some may remember also complaining about Brazil and Russia) and just get on with it eventually. Or we can get on with it as we did all the others. Or boycott it altogether, for once?
Right.
Just read that Germany have agreed to pay each player 350,000 euros if they win the World Cup. That led me to wonder about prize money, and I wasn't surprised to learn that FIFA themselves will pay 62 million to the winner -- what did surprise me was that part of that actually goes to the players' clubs.
That's just prize money, mind you, not sponsorship and national FA bonuses.
Anyone got numbers on those? Don't suppose it's a lot to mega clubs but I imagine a smaller club with an international player might get a windfall... thinking of say Freiburg with Ritsu Doan (Japan) or Cremonese with Afena-Gyan (Ghana), who's sure to play every single game.
Right.
Just read that Germany have agreed to pay each player 350,000 euros if they win the World Cup. That led me to wonder about prize money, and I wasn't surprised to learn that FIFA themselves will pay 62 million to the winner -- what did surprise me was that part of that actually goes to the players' clubs.
That's just prize money, mind you, not sponsorship and national FA bonuses.
Anyone got numbers on those? Don't suppose it's a lot to mega clubs but I imagine a smaller club with an international player might get a windfall... thinking of say Freiburg with Ritsu Doan (Japan) or Cremonese with Afena-Gyan (Ghana), who's sure to play every single game.
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there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
there is no question in my mind that the Nations League is a complete waste of time and energy on the part of the players. with the world cup approaching, i don't think there is time for players to play in the Nations League as well as the possibility of them getting injured since there are key players for a nation who can single-handedly win any match they play in. in spite of this, i have to admit that i was very disappointed with both Germany and England during the match. they may have been playing safe so that no players get injured, but even after that their games were really slow-paced, so it could be that they were playing safe to prevent any injuries.
There's also the fact that the Nations League prevents South American teams to play against most of the best teams in the world for practice.
Argentina ended up playing against Honduras recently for a friendly match, and Messi got almost injured from it.
Still Argentina seems to have hopes for this world cup. Here's some background about it: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/24/against-all-odds-lionel-messi-has-one-last-shot-at-world-cup-glory-with-argentina
It's clear that there is an unease with this cup, plus just the date change could be enough reason to not want it to be in Qatar, if they did it in July like every other one, that would be fine, but they said heat would be horrible and even in November-December period they would have heat so much that they put in giant air conditioners, which is why I feel like it's going to be a boring one for sure.
I agree with others though, this is one that we could learn from and that is why we could improve, we never had it there, and after seeing why it's a bad idea this year, we could maybe never have it again there, it's just not acceptable conditions for football in this scale.
I agree with others though, this is one that we could learn from and that is why we could improve, we never had it there, and after seeing why it's a bad idea this year, we could maybe never have it again there, it's just not acceptable conditions for football in this scale.
If you think that Croatia is an old and wasted team today, then you should have watched their matches in the League of Nations
The team is rejuvenated and has a lot of new, great players.
In 3 games in a row, Croatia defeated France and Denmark, two national teams that are among the 10 best in the world.
At the same time, Croatia celebrated away games against France and Denmark, and these are not national teams that easily lose matches at home.
When Croatia played 4 years ago at the World Cup in Russia, many predicted that they would not even make it past the group, and in the end Croatia played in the final, fully deserved.
In the League of Nations competition, everyone predicted that Croatia would be last in the group and that France and Denmark would fight for first place, and in the end Croatia beat them all and is first in the group.
Now everyone predicts that Croatia will not pass the group at the World Cup and that the first two places will be won by Belgium and Canada. I really don't understand why Croatia, after all these great results and successes lately, is so underestimated.
A team with players from Real, Chelsea, Inter, Bayern, Tottenham... is continuously underestimated.
@Daniel91 If you are talking about my post then you are on mistake I never write about Croatia is wasted team because with current form and situation I am feeling they have enough chance for going into last four they are one of the best team in Europe with their quality and enough skill players after watching their performance in last few matches I am already feeling they could be in last four of this world cup because for me few teams are hyped due to big names and these are not having enough chance for going into last four. The team is rejuvenated and has a lot of new, great players.
In 3 games in a row, Croatia defeated France and Denmark, two national teams that are among the 10 best in the world.
At the same time, Croatia celebrated away games against France and Denmark, and these are not national teams that easily lose matches at home.
When Croatia played 4 years ago at the World Cup in Russia, many predicted that they would not even make it past the group, and in the end Croatia played in the final, fully deserved.
In the League of Nations competition, everyone predicted that Croatia would be last in the group and that France and Denmark would fight for first place, and in the end Croatia beat them all and is first in the group.
Now everyone predicts that Croatia will not pass the group at the World Cup and that the first two places will be won by Belgium and Canada. I really don't understand why Croatia, after all these great results and successes lately, is so underestimated.
A team with players from Real, Chelsea, Inter, Bayern, Tottenham... is continuously underestimated.
If I have personal choice then surely I am going with Croatia and England which are can into last four with most chances this time France is going to lose into quarterfinal, or they have very few chances for going into last four with their inner politics surely they have few very good players those are currently serving in UEFA's top clubs and having good performance as well.
No, of course I wasn't talking about your post, but about the previous post by joker_josue, who wrote this comment:
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Although they are in a tough group, with Canda and Belgium being the expected teams that actually pass to the next round, and Morocco and Croatia staying. We'll have to wait and see though, you never know what can happen.
I couldn't agree with that comment at all and had to share my opinion.
I actually didn't have the time or patience to search for the original post so I replied to your post, sorry about that.
I agree with your opinion, I'm sorry that maybe it doesn't look like that because of my little mistake
I also agree with your opinion about England, but I still think that France is still one of the main favorites of the World Cup, despite the few bad matches recently.
If you think that Croatia is an old and wasted team today, then you should have watched their matches in the League of Nations
The team is rejuvenated and has a lot of new, great players.
In 3 games in a row, Croatia defeated France and Denmark, two national teams that are among the 10 best in the world.
At the same time, Croatia celebrated away games against France and Denmark, and these are not national teams that easily lose matches at home.
When Croatia played 4 years ago at the World Cup in Russia, many predicted that they would not even make it past the group, and in the end Croatia played in the final, fully deserved.
In the League of Nations competition, everyone predicted that Croatia would be last in the group and that France and Denmark would fight for first place, and in the end Croatia beat them all and is first in the group.
Now everyone predicts that Croatia will not pass the group at the World Cup and that the first two places will be won by Belgium and Canada. I really don't understand why Croatia, after all these great results and successes lately, is so underestimated.
A team with players from Real, Chelsea, Inter, Bayern, Tottenham... is continuously underestimated.
@Daniel91 If you are talking about my post then you are on mistake I never write about Croatia is wasted team because with current form and situation I am feeling they have enough chance for going into last four they are one of the best team in Europe with their quality and enough skill players after watching their performance in last few matches I am already feeling they could be in last four of this world cup because for me few teams are hyped due to big names and these are not having enough chance for going into last four. The team is rejuvenated and has a lot of new, great players.
In 3 games in a row, Croatia defeated France and Denmark, two national teams that are among the 10 best in the world.
At the same time, Croatia celebrated away games against France and Denmark, and these are not national teams that easily lose matches at home.
When Croatia played 4 years ago at the World Cup in Russia, many predicted that they would not even make it past the group, and in the end Croatia played in the final, fully deserved.
In the League of Nations competition, everyone predicted that Croatia would be last in the group and that France and Denmark would fight for first place, and in the end Croatia beat them all and is first in the group.
Now everyone predicts that Croatia will not pass the group at the World Cup and that the first two places will be won by Belgium and Canada. I really don't understand why Croatia, after all these great results and successes lately, is so underestimated.
A team with players from Real, Chelsea, Inter, Bayern, Tottenham... is continuously underestimated.
If I have personal choice then surely I am going with Croatia and England which are can into last four with most chances this time France is going to lose into quarterfinal, or they have very few chances for going into last four with their inner politics surely they have few very good players those are currently serving in UEFA's top clubs and having good performance as well.
Although they are in a tough group, with Canda and Belgium being the expected teams that actually pass to the next round, and Morocco and Croatia staying. We'll have to wait and see though, you never know what can happen.
I think Croatia will be able to reach the second place in this group with some ease. Canada even has some difficulty qualifying for the World Cup and I don't see them as capable of being superior to Croatia.So I think that both teams will fight hard to try to be in second place in the group - hoping that Belgium will be first.
Canada most chances going to be at fourth in this group with Belgium and Croatia going to knock out stage and morocco is going to be at third spot because they are also better than Canada.
If you think that Croatia is an old and wasted team today, then you should have watched their matches in the League of Nations
The team is rejuvenated and has a lot of new, great players.
In 3 games in a row, Croatia defeated France and Denmark, two national teams that are among the 10 best in the world.
At the same time, Croatia celebrated away games against France and Denmark, and these are not national teams that easily lose matches at home.
When Croatia played 4 years ago at the World Cup in Russia, many predicted that they would not even make it past the group, and in the end Croatia played in the final, fully deserved.
In the League of Nations competition, everyone predicted that Croatia would be last in the group and that France and Denmark would fight for first place, and in the end Croatia beat them all and is first in the group.
Now everyone predicts that Croatia will not pass the group at the World Cup and that the first two places will be won by Belgium and Canada. I really don't understand why Croatia, after all these great results and successes lately, is so underestimated.
A team with players from Real, Chelsea, Inter, Bayern, Tottenham... is continuously underestimated.
Crazy ideas with UEFA Nation League because most important with commercial and money only by UEFA institution depending how bad impact for player later get injury, I don't think UEFA Nation League as most important competition because on FIFA matchday all European countries could held with friendly match without playing seriously at UEFA Nation League. Almost few months later with FIFA World Cup 2022 begin but still have not important match and UEFA Nation League keeps playing for two games.
England have drop to second Nation League and looks not really serious against with Germany, I don't see have potential chance with UEFA Nation League most excited to watch although with big match between Germany vs England because both countries try how to protect their player from injury.
England have drop to second Nation League and looks not really serious against with Germany, I don't see have potential chance with UEFA Nation League most excited to watch although with big match between Germany vs England because both countries try how to protect their player from injury.
But UEFA's idea for the League of Nations is to "force" countries to use less used players and thus create greater turnover. Of course they cannot say this directly. But they say between the lines, when they talk about a competition to create greater competitiveness and allow more opportunities for other countries to be more competitive.
The fact that the competition is a little undervalued by the big teams, ends up allowing smaller teams to grow and even win trophies. And that increases their prestige, they earn more money and gain opportunities, which were more difficult before.
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