2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 39.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on September 18, 2022, 07:18:00 AM

Croatia is actually still a very strong team. They have not only Modric, but many other good players. I know that there are also a few strong Croats in Italy. And what we must not forget is that Croatia was still the finalist at the 2018 World Cup. They lost that final against France without a chance, but they could have won against any other team in that tournament. They are not a favorite for the title, but an outsider. I think you should think of odds of around 12.0
Argentina should also show something now with Messi. Were in the final in 2014, but final places and 2nd places do not count in the sport.

As for Croatia, I completely agree with you. Apart from Modric, Croatia has several other outstanding players such as Kovacic at Chelsea, Perisic at Tottenham or Brozovic at Inter.
Croatia's success at the 2018 World Cup in Russia was not the result of luck or coincidence, but the great football tradition of this country, which was third in the world at the 1998 World Cup in France, and this year Croatia beat France and Denmark away in the League of Nations.
Croatia will not be among the main favorites of the competition either in Qatar, but it will be very difficult for all national teams to play with them.
This year, Messi probably has the last chance to win the world championship with Argentina, but the competition is very strong and it will be a very difficult task.

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Croatia is actually still a very strong team. They have not only Modric, but many other good players. I know that there are also a few strong Croats in Italy. And what we must not forget is that Croatia was still the finalist at the 2018 World Cup. They lost that final against France without a chance, but they could have won against any other team in that tournament. They are not a favorite for the title, but an outsider. I think you should think of odds of around 12.0
Argentina should also show something now with Messi. Were in the final in 2014, but final places and 2nd places do not count in the sport.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on September 18, 2022, 06:54:03 AM

Couldn't this thing with Castillo and Ecuador have been solved earlier? I mean, I'm all for making the right choices and suspending the teams in case they are breaching the rules - but these decisions need to be made on time.

Imagine being a player for the Ecuador national team right now. It must be really stressful not knowing whether you'll be able to play or not.

I'd let them play now - but without Castillo if the allegations are true. Then I'd ban them from participation in the next qualifiers. Banning them weeks before the tournament doesn't seem like the right call to make.

This case has been talked about for a long time, but so far there has been no concrete evidence, at least as far as I understand.
It seems that the concrete evidence on the basis of which Chile appealed to FIFA has only recently come to light.
This was indeed a difficult situation for FIFA and they decided not to change anything and to maintain the status quo even though there is a very serious suspicion that everything is not regular in this case.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport will make a final decision, based on all the evidence and facts, and I hope that the decision will be made very soon so that in the event of a change in FIFA's decision, the other national team has enough time to prepare for participation in the World Cup.

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Couldn't this thing with Castillo and Ecuador have been solved earlier? I mean, I'm all for making the right choices and suspending the teams in case they are breaching the rules - but these decisions need to be made on time.

Imagine being a player for the Ecuador national team right now. It must be really stressful not knowing whether you'll be able to play or not.

I'd let them play now - but without Castillo if the allegations are true. Then I'd ban them from participation in the next qualifiers. Banning them weeks before the tournament doesn't seem like the right call to make.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 04, 2022, 04:52:20 AM

But Christian Ronaldo is not good enough to win this world cup alone for his team because now age factor is also having big impact on him, and he can't do things like which he has done few years back for his team right now if Portugal is going into last eight then surely it's going to be big achievement for them.

Let's see later what tactics and strategies Fernando Santos will use for his Portugal squad. and how he prepares for the Portuguese squad. if santos still uses the same strategy only relying on ronaldo, then i believe that portugal will experience difficulties in every match later.
Portugal actually has a fairly even depth of players, on the attack line there are Diago Jota, Andre Silva, Ronaldo. In the midfield there are Bernardo Silva, Vintinha, Rafael Leao, Bruno Fernandes. In defense there are Nuno Mendes, Pepe, Dalot, Danilo Pereira. with these players, they should have a chance to get into the top 8.

Quote from: wiss19 on September 04, 2022, 04:52:20 AM

Spain, France and England are surely best teams with their quality and players those can do something amazing to win this year's event.

Brazil, Argentina, are the best team based on their match statistics and have very talented players. these two teams are the strongest candidates, compared to England or Spain.

Argentina's team is very strong in this World Cup, the youngsters in their team are playing very well. Besides, they have world class players in their team. It seems that this is Messi's last World Cup and everyone will want to at least do something for Messi. However, there is nothing to look down on other teams. We are all waiting for the World Cup.

Good to see it from the point of view of being a good team, yes, it is, I think that Argentina has always been a very good team, I have not seen any Argentine team that is bad, or any bad version, for me this World Cup will be very good because we will see an Argentina that will do the best to win this World Cup, but there is also Brazil, Germany, France and we have to be careful because Croatia is a team that can make a difference, Moric is a player who can spoil the party for anyone team, and let's not forget CR7, which, this will be his last World Cup too, then in most teams the big stars will leave.

Many wonder why they kept insisting on the case of the player from Ecuador, for me the Chilean team is a bad loser, all this triggers many feelings in Ecuadorians and Chileans, for the next qualifiers this will be very interesting because they will become a classic, and the Chileans and Ecuadorians already have a lot of dislike, so now as they favored Ecuador and let him play, this will bring more consequences because they will always look for a way to appeal to the decision, the best thing will be when the World Cup starts, it is the only so that they stop making such a fuss about that player's case.

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Quote from: nullama on September 13, 2022, 09:08:49 PM

Quote from: posi on September 13, 2022, 08:44:36 PM

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In the first place, I believe it is unfair for a whole team or a nation to suffer punishment because of the fault of an individual. An individual has committed this shameful act, and he is the one who should be punished for it, not the entire nation as a whole. It is very unfortunate that FIFA is even considering the possibility of getting Ecuador banned from taking part in the World Cup. As far as I am concerned, it is really hurtful not only for the fans of Ecuador but also for the whole world. I just hope that Ecuador gets a chance to play in the World Cup and that only the player involved will be punished and not the entire nation as a whole.

It's not really a ban. It's standard procedure in FIFA.
If a team fields an ineligible player, and FIFA finds out, they forfeit the match where the player was fielded, and the opponent is given a 3 - 0 win.

This happens all the time:

Quote from: https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/22/soccer/1600805808_855932.html

AS Roma forfeit game 3-0 after fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.pulse.ng/sports/football/super-eagles-nigeria-lose-3-0-to-algeria-after-fifa-forfeit-match-as-punishment-for/fbf5yd9

Nigeria lose 3-0 to Algeria after FIFA forfeit match as punishment for fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/12/french-guiana-florent-malouda-gold-cup-2017-forfeit-game

Fifa rules bar players from switching national teams once they have played a competitive international, and French Guiana had been informed of the rule before the tournament. The standard sanction for fielding an ineligible player is to forfeit the game 3-0

Quote from: https://www.beinsports.com/en/football/news/bolivia-forfeit-two-matches-for-fielding-in-1/363380

Bolivia forfeit two matches for fielding ineligible player

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And so on.

As you see, it's a very standard procedure. If FIFA decides the Ecuadorian team fielded an ineligible player, then they will forfeit the matches in which he played, and give a 3 - 0 victory to the opponent. And if that happens, and you do the math of the qualifiers, then Chile ends up in 4th place, qualifying to the world cup, instead of Ecuador.

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The player might likely also face legal actions in Columbia and/or Ecuador over forging of documents which is crime in any country, but it's still going to be the country's FA fault for fielding an ineligible player, and it doesn't matter whether or not they were aware of the situation, it's going to be a case of ignorance not being an excuse, I remember a case of Real Madrid being kicked out of Copa Del Rey some years after field an ineligible player "Dennis Cheryshev" in that year, he was supposed to serve a one match ban while being on-loan at Villarreal the season before, and meanwhile Real Madrid claimed they weren't aware of the players suspension, but that still wasn't enough as excuse to overturn to decision from the governing body.

@nullama
You are right, I did not know about this ruling earlier, and now that I am aware of it,
I think it makes sense to now hold the association accountable for the player's age and if he is doing anything suspicious or not, as he is the one responsible.

@Harkorede
The fact that you say that a player should be punished if he acts in any way suspicious of his age is absolutely correct,
but I find it quite sad to know that he might even be punished by his own government in his own country.
A crime is a crime, after all, no matter where it is committed.

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Quote from: shogun47 on September 17, 2022, 07:52:52 PM

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Wow, I just read that it is about eight appearances. Usually I think these appeals also destroy sports, but rules must be rules. If we didn't have rules, we wouldn't have sports. That is the counterside. Now this is a complicated case.

Honest opinion: How would you guys decide this case given the rules that are in place?

In my view it seems that the documentation provided clearly shows the player is Colombian and not Ecuadorian.

Not sure what else is there to consider though, but it looks like FIFA has decided the player is Ecuadorian.

That's the main thing though, if the player is Ecuadorian, nothing is wrong, but if he's really Colombian, then of course the standard match forfeit should be done.

Maybe the legality of the documents are not the area of FIFA to make a decision, and legal or not, it seems that the documents show he's Ecuadorian.

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Quote from: nullama on September 15, 2022, 06:48:11 AM

Today the hearing is supposed to happen, that is, when people explain everything and questions are asked.

I'm not sure when the official answer will be given. That could be today or in a few days.

I don't think there's any chance that Italy or any other external team would qualify. The only possible outcome is for the matches played by Ecuador to be forfeited. In that case, Chile would classify.

As far as I know, it is extremely rare for the FIFA appeals committee to overturn a ruling by the FIFA disciplinary committee. And back in June 10, the disciplinary committee had ruled in favor of Ecuador. We can expect a verdict within this week itself (probably within the next 24 hours). The hearing is being conducted from Zurich by a 3-judge bench, and is done remotely. The problem is that the ruling may not be final. If either Chile or Ecuador lose, they can still make another appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

And FIFA made the final decision on this case.
https://www.fifa.com/legal/media-releases/fifa-appeal-committee-passes-decision-on-eligibility-of-player-byron-david

''The FIFA Appeal Committee has rendered its decision on the appeals lodged by the Chilean Football Association (FFCH) and the Peruvian Football Association (FPF) against the decision issued by the FIFA Disciplinary Committee on the potential ineligibility of the player Byron David Castillo Segura with regard to his participation in eight qualifying matches of the national team of the Ecuadorian Football Association (FEF) in the preliminary competition of the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022™.

Having analysed the submissions of all parties and after a hearing had been conducted, the Appeal Committee confirmed the decision of the Disciplinary Committee to close the proceedings initiated against the FEF. Amongst other considerations, it deemed that on the basis of the documents presented, the player was to be considered as holding permanent Ecuadorian nationality in accordance with art. 5 par. 1 of the FIFA Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes.

The findings of the decision passed by the Appeal Committee were notified to the parties concerned today. The present decision remains subject to an appeal before the Court of Arbitration for Sport.''

Therefore, this decision is not yet final and Peru can still appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. However, will this final decision be made in time, before the start of the world championship in Qatar?
This is a very unpleasant situation for Ecuador because it may happen that they go to Qatar and find out a few days before the start of the World Cup that they are banned from participating in the World Cup.
The question is whether any other national team can really replace Ecuador so quickly and how much it would affect the regularity of the world championship.
What do you think?

Wow, I just read that it is about eight appearances. Usually I think these appeals also destroy sports, but rules must be rules. If we didn't have rules, we wouldn't have sports. That is the counterside. Now this is a complicated case.

Honest opinion: How would you guys decide this case given the rules that are in place?

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Quote from: nullama on September 15, 2022, 06:48:11 AM

Today the hearing is supposed to happen, that is, when people explain everything and questions are asked.

I'm not sure when the official answer will be given. That could be today or in a few days.

I don't think there's any chance that Italy or any other external team would qualify. The only possible outcome is for the matches played by Ecuador to be forfeited. In that case, Chile would classify.

As far as I know, it is extremely rare for the FIFA appeals committee to overturn a ruling by the FIFA disciplinary committee. And back in June 10, the disciplinary committee had ruled in favor of Ecuador. We can expect a verdict within this week itself (probably within the next 24 hours). The hearing is being conducted from Zurich by a 3-judge bench, and is done remotely. The problem is that the ruling may not be final. If either Chile or Ecuador lose, they can still make another appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

And FIFA made the final decision on this case.
https://www.fifa.com/legal/media-releases/fifa-appeal-committee-passes-decision-on-eligibility-of-player-byron-david

''The FIFA Appeal Committee has rendered its decision on the appeals lodged by the Chilean Football Association (FFCH) and the Peruvian Football Association (FPF) against the decision issued by the FIFA Disciplinary Committee on the potential ineligibility of the player Byron David Castillo Segura with regard to his participation in eight qualifying matches of the national team of the Ecuadorian Football Association (FEF) in the preliminary competition of the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022™.

Having analysed the submissions of all parties and after a hearing had been conducted, the Appeal Committee confirmed the decision of the Disciplinary Committee to close the proceedings initiated against the FEF. Amongst other considerations, it deemed that on the basis of the documents presented, the player was to be considered as holding permanent Ecuadorian nationality in accordance with art. 5 par. 1 of the FIFA Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes.

The findings of the decision passed by the Appeal Committee were notified to the parties concerned today. The present decision remains subject to an appeal before the Court of Arbitration for Sport.''

Therefore, this decision is not yet final and Peru can still appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. However, will this final decision be made in time, before the start of the world championship in Qatar?
This is a very unpleasant situation for Ecuador because it may happen that they go to Qatar and find out a few days before the start of the World Cup that they are banned from participating in the World Cup.
The question is whether any other national team can really replace Ecuador so quickly and how much it would affect the regularity of the world championship.
What do you think?

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Quote from: nullama on September 15, 2022, 06:48:11 AM

Today the hearing is supposed to happen, that is, when people explain everything and questions are asked.

I'm not sure when the official answer will be given. That could be today or in a few days.

I don't think there's any chance that Italy or any other external team would qualify. The only possible outcome is for the matches played by Ecuador to be forfeited. In that case, Chile would classify.

As far as I know, it is extremely rare for the FIFA appeals committee to overturn a ruling by the FIFA disciplinary committee. And back in June 10, the disciplinary committee had ruled in favor of Ecuador. We can expect a verdict within this week itself (probably within the next 24 hours). The hearing is being conducted from Zurich by a 3-judge bench, and is done remotely. The problem is that the ruling may not be final. If either Chile or Ecuador lose, they can still make another appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2022, 05:40:21 AM

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So, today we will know the final decision?
FIFA has not yet announced its decision, as far as I can see on their official website, but this will be a very difficult decision for them and a great precedent, because they have never, until now, expelled a national team that qualified for the World Cup from that championship by administrative decision.
Could this be the last chance for Italy to take part in the World Cup instead of Ecuador based on the FIFA national team ranking?
However, a more realistic possibility is that Chile will replace Ecuador, as a South American team.

Today the hearing is supposed to happen, that is, when people explain everything and questions are asked.

I'm not sure when the official answer will be given. That could be today or in a few days.

I don't think there's any chance that Italy or any other external team would qualify. The only possible outcome is for the matches played by Ecuador to be forfeited. In that case, Chile would classify.

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Anyway, rules are rules. I understand that mine or yours opinion doesn't matter and it is FIFA who holds the decision making capability. With two months to go for the tournament, I don't know whether FIFA will take the drastic step of suspending Ecuador.

The appealing hearing is on September 15th, so we will be getting an answer to this very soon.

So, today we will know the final decision?
FIFA has not yet announced its decision, as far as I can see on their official website, but this will be a very difficult decision for them and a great precedent, because they have never, until now, expelled a national team that qualified for the World Cup from that championship by administrative decision.
Could this be the last chance for Italy to take part in the World Cup instead of Ecuador based on the FIFA national team ranking?
However, a more realistic possibility is that Chile will replace Ecuador, as a South American team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 14, 2022, 09:05:04 PM

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Anyway, rules are rules. I understand that mine or yours opinion doesn't matter and it is FIFA who holds the decision making capability. With two months to go for the tournament, I don't know whether FIFA will take the drastic step of suspending Ecuador.

The appealing hearing is on September 15th, so we will be getting an answer to this very soon.

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Quote from: nullama on September 14, 2022, 08:57:08 PM

It's a pretty standard practice really. Teams get forfeited matches and given a 3 - 0 win to the opponents all the time. This is the garden variety of punishments for fielding an ineligible player. And that's what's on the table.

Now, if things end up being more serious, then there are way more serious consequences.

For example, Chile was banned for two world cups and a player banned for life for El Maracanazo. What a goalkeeper did had extremely harsh consequences for himself and the whole team.

Anyway, rules are rules. I understand that mine or yours opinion doesn't matter and it is FIFA who holds the decision making capability. With two months to go for the tournament, I don't know whether FIFA will take the drastic step of suspending Ecuador. But for me, it will be a tragedy if they are disqualified, especially after putting up such a strong performance in the qualifiers from the toughest confederation. So if they get disqualified, then Chile will qualify and will be replacing Ecuador in Group A?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 09:58:08 PM

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I don't agree with you. If the player managed to hide his ineligibility, how it is going to be the association's fault? And what FIFA is doing is certainly abuse of power. In case of Denis Cheryshev, it was his fault that he didn't informed about his suspension to the new club. And instead of punishing the player, the association decided to punish the club. This is similar to national teams getting punished whenever someone does hooliganism in their home matches. Actions of one or two people can't be used to punish an entire team.

It's a pretty standard practice really. Teams get forfeited matches and given a 3 - 0 win to the opponents all the time. This is the garden variety of punishments for fielding an ineligible player. And that's what's on the table.

Now, if things end up being more serious, then there are way more serious consequences.

For example, Chile was banned for two world cups and a player banned for life for El Maracanazo. What a goalkeeper did had extremely harsh consequences for himself and the whole team.

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The player might likely also face legal actions in Columbia and/or Ecuador over forging of documents which is crime in any country, but it's still going to be the country's FA fault for fielding an ineligible player, and it doesn't matter whether or not they were aware of the situation, it's going to be a case of ignorance not being an excuse, I remember a case of Real Madrid being kicked out of Copa Del Rey some years after field an ineligible player "Dennis Cheryshev" in that year, he was supposed to serve a one match ban while being on-loan at Villarreal the season before, and meanwhile Real Madrid claimed they weren't aware of the players suspension, but that still wasn't enough as excuse to overturn to decision from the governing body.

I don't agree with you. If the player managed to hide his ineligibility, how it is going to be the association's fault? And what FIFA is doing is certainly abuse of power. In case of Denis Cheryshev, it was his fault that he didn't informed about his suspension to the new club. And instead of punishing the player, the association decided to punish the club. This is similar to national teams getting punished whenever someone does hooliganism in their home matches. Actions of one or two people can't be used to punish an entire team.

I agree with you that the decision can be argued to be unfair, but unlike the olympics where most of the sports are individual where a culprit can be stripped of a medal, but if it's like a basketball team player that's found doping even after several years, it's the entire team that pays the price and get stripped of their medals, but what do you think should happen ? For instance in the case of Real Madrid where Cheryshev I think even scored in that match. You really just can't void that specific goal or all his part from the entire match that has been concluded. It's always the team's responsibility that all players that are being fielded are eligible and it's FIFA responsibility to them verify these stuffs are accurate, hence the stiff penalties, I'm sure sometimes the players also get individual penalties, but how will FIFA get to know that teams/countries aren't aware of those findings but just choose to ignore simply because they're not to be affected if the truth gets out.

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Quote from: Harkorede on September 13, 2022, 09:25:30 PM

The player might likely also face legal actions in Columbia and/or Ecuador over forging of documents which is crime in any country, but it's still going to be the country's FA fault for fielding an ineligible player, and it doesn't matter whether or not they were aware of the situation, it's going to be a case of ignorance not being an excuse, I remember a case of Real Madrid being kicked out of Copa Del Rey some years after field an ineligible player "Dennis Cheryshev" in that year, he was supposed to serve a one match ban while being on-loan at Villarreal the season before, and meanwhile Real Madrid claimed they weren't aware of the players suspension, but that still wasn't enough as excuse to overturn to decision from the governing body.

I don't agree with you. If the player managed to hide his ineligibility, how it is going to be the association's fault? And what FIFA is doing is certainly abuse of power. In case of Denis Cheryshev, it was his fault that he didn't informed about his suspension to the new club. And instead of punishing the player, the association decided to punish the club. This is similar to national teams getting punished whenever someone does hooliganism in their home matches. Actions of one or two people can't be used to punish an entire team.

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FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

The problem is not where the player was born and his neutralization in another country. And FIFA accepts neutralized players if he has never played in the A team of another national team. The question here is whether he deceived the authorities and in turn FIFA, this cannot be allowed.

Now, it's still shameful if this is some behind-the-scenes move by other countries. The information made public must be evaluated and a definite decision must be taken, so that this is not always the case.

In the first place, I believe it is unfair for a whole team or a nation to suffer punishment because of the fault of an individual. An individual has committed this shameful act, and he is the one who should be punished for it, not the entire nation as a whole. It is very unfortunate that FIFA is even considering the possibility of getting Ecuador banned from taking part in the World Cup. As far as I am concerned, it is really hurtful not only for the fans of Ecuador but also for the whole world. I just hope that Ecuador gets a chance to play in the World Cup and that only the player involved will be punished and not the entire nation as a whole.

The player might likely also face legal actions in Columbia and/or Ecuador over forging of documents which is crime in any country, but it's still going to be the country's FA fault for fielding an ineligible player, and it doesn't matter whether or not they were aware of the situation, it's going to be a case of ignorance not being an excuse, I remember a case of Real Madrid being kicked out of Copa Del Rey some years after field an ineligible player "Dennis Cheryshev" in that year, he was supposed to serve a one match ban while being on-loan at Villarreal the season before, and meanwhile Real Madrid claimed they weren't aware of the players suspension, but that still wasn't enough as excuse to overturn to decision from the governing body.

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Quote from: posi on September 13, 2022, 08:44:36 PM

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In the first place, I believe it is unfair for a whole team or a nation to suffer punishment because of the fault of an individual. An individual has committed this shameful act, and he is the one who should be punished for it, not the entire nation as a whole. It is very unfortunate that FIFA is even considering the possibility of getting Ecuador banned from taking part in the World Cup. As far as I am concerned, it is really hurtful not only for the fans of Ecuador but also for the whole world. I just hope that Ecuador gets a chance to play in the World Cup and that only the player involved will be punished and not the entire nation as a whole.

It's not really a ban. It's standard procedure in FIFA.

If a team fields an ineligible player, and FIFA finds out, they forfeit the match where the player was fielded, and the opponent is given a 3 - 0 win.

This happens all the time:

Quote from: https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/22/soccer/1600805808_855932.html

AS Roma forfeit game 3-0 after fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.pulse.ng/sports/football/super-eagles-nigeria-lose-3-0-to-algeria-after-fifa-forfeit-match-as-punishment-for/fbf5yd9

Nigeria lose 3-0 to Algeria after FIFA forfeit match as punishment for fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/12/french-guiana-florent-malouda-gold-cup-2017-forfeit-game

Fifa rules bar players from switching national teams once they have played a competitive international, and French Guiana had been informed of the rule before the tournament. The standard sanction for fielding an ineligible player is to forfeit the game 3-0

Quote from: https://www.beinsports.com/en/football/news/bolivia-forfeit-two-matches-for-fielding-in-1/363380

Bolivia forfeit two matches for fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.modernghana.com/sports/476262/equatorial-guinea-sanctioned-for-fielding-ineligible-player.html

Equatorial Guinea sanctioned for fielding ineligible player

Quote from: https://www.fifa.com/en/legal/football-regulatory/news/greece-sanctioned-for-fielding-ineligible-player-in-friendly-2792710

Greece sanctioned for fielding ineligible player in friendly. The match is declared to be lost by forfeit and awarded 3-0 in favor of Turkey, with the HFF also receiving a fine of CHF 4,000 after the FIFA Disciplinary Committee considered the HFF liable for having breached art. 55 par. 2 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code (FDC).

Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-world-yemen-idUKL3N0ZM4AM20150706

Yemen have forfeited their World Cup qualifier against North Korea, a match they made a Herculean effort to take part in, after fielding an ineligible player, FIFA said on Monday. Yemen, officially the home side for the match played in Qatar, lost 1-0 on the pitch on June 11. But that became a 3-0 walkover after the disciplinary committee of world soccer’s governing body ruled that they fielded Mudir Abdurabu Ali Al Radaei who should have been serving a one-match ban for an accumulation of yellow cards.

And so on.

As you see, it's a very standard procedure. If FIFA decides the Ecuadorian team fielded an ineligible player, then they will forfeit the matches in which he played, and give a 3 - 0 victory to the opponent. And if that happens, and you do the math of the qualifiers, then Chile ends up in 4th place, qualifying to the world cup, instead of Ecuador.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 13, 2022, 09:29:12 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 06:43:53 AM

FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

The problem is not where the player was born and his neutralization in another country. And FIFA accepts neutralized players if he has never played in the A team of another national team. The question here is whether he deceived the authorities and in turn FIFA, this cannot be allowed.

Now, it's still shameful if this is some behind-the-scenes move by other countries. The information made public must be evaluated and a definite decision must be taken, so that this is not always the case.

In the first place, I believe it is unfair for a whole team or a nation to suffer punishment because of the fault of an individual. An individual has committed this shameful act, and he is the one who should be punished for it, not the entire nation as a whole. It is very unfortunate that FIFA is even considering the possibility of getting Ecuador banned from taking part in the World Cup. As far as I am concerned, it is really hurtful not only for the fans of Ecuador but also for the whole world. I just hope that Ecuador gets a chance to play in the World Cup and that only the player involved will be punished and not the entire nation as a whole.

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