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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 27, 2018, 02:50:56 PM

- Bestmixer.Biz : scam
- Bestmixer.Biz scam accusation
- Bestmixer.mx : scam
- Bestmixer: seized on May 2019

Almost all the links to our forum have been corrupted in your post. The http protocol is specified instead of the https protocol.

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 27, 2018, 02:50:56 PM

- Coinice.net: scam, clone of cryptomixer.io
- Coinmix-service.lima-city.de: scam clone of Bitmixer.io
- CoinMixer.es: [url=Bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175389.msg52156115#msg52156115]scam

And here the closing tag [/url] was lost. After the words "clone of cryptomixer.io".

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 25, 2021, 04:35:18 PM

I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"
--snip--

Ordinarily, i'd agree with you when you say you want to be fair to a mixer and give them a chance... However, in this case, i'd personally advocate to remove the mixer from the list during the "grace"-period. If the owner comes back and resolves the accusations, you can re-list them, if he doesn't you can add them to your scam list. That way it can't make new victims from readers of your topic.

I do believe this is a case that warrants such an approach:

It's a really new mixer... you won't destroy their reputation by not listing them for a couple of days
There are 2 "in progress" scam reports, and also resolved reports... Way to much for the short time they've been in business
They've been provably caught lying about many, many key features they try to sell

I've been following this case from the beginning, and i'd even go as far as saying "they're not a real mixer". This is just a one-man mom's basement service that had a nice layout built (filled with lies) and just processes mixes manually while lying about the origin of their "clean" funds.

I know this is your show, and i'll defenatly agree with whatever decission you make on the case... I'd just argue that in this case, the site didn't even belong on your list in the first place (with all the lies, with the manual processing, without proof of funds,...) , and now they've stopped withdrawing i think it would be better to safe than sorry and (at least temporary) stop listing them.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 25, 2021, 04:35:18 PM

I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"

Updated post #1 and adding coino-mize.com to the scam list

In your opinion is fair, in mine is not! If you added a red flag or anything to it after first unresolved accusations I would had made some research before sending 1BTC or I would had just used another mixer. But as I saw it in trusted list I assumed it is safe to use them!
You tried to be fair with the mixer, I think you should try to do what is more fair for the customers as they are the ones who can get scammed and lose funds but there is NO WAY for the mixers to get scammed!

But again.. that is my opinion, I am sure mixers have different ones!

It is strange that they did not moved the coin since I sent it to them..

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I did read the case, if it's the same

Usually, I wait some days before removing a service:
The reason is it deserves to give time to mixers since we all have a life outside, it may take time to check what happened and the users complaining may come back several days after to tell us it's ok or never come back.
Just trying to be fair between mixers.

I practice this way, especially when I feel it's an isolated case. Of course, if there are a dozen people complaining in the same period of time, there is no question to wonder.

I also know that some people try to make others believe that X or Y mixer is a scam when it is not true. It even happened that I tested the blenders myself to verify the claims or the (baseless) "rumors"

Updated post #1 and adding coino-mize.com to the scam list

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 23, 2021, 10:55:34 AM

I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 26, 2018, 07:22:20 AM

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

Quote from: SinisterB on July 23, 2021, 10:21:53 AM

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2023-list-bitcoin-mixers-bitcoin-tumblers-websites-2827109

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

+1
This one does not belong on a list between other mixers... They have lied about quite a lot, they've been proven wrong and they don't keep their promises.

Quote from: OROBTC on July 23, 2021, 11:26:09 AM

--snip--

Too bad for us that they are not a good mixer, as it is a good idea that someone could mix their coins with a reliable mixer and get "clean" coins (traceable back to exchanges, etc.) back. Because many US exchanges and merchants do not like "dirty" coins (tainted by drug markets, thefts, ransomware, etc.) , there would likely be a real demand for such clean ones.

Someone will probably come along in due course and offer a straightforward and honest service. And probably make lots of money...

Indeed, but if you want coinbase rewards in exchange for your traceable coin, this is NOT the place... Tryninja shared his mixing session, and i could not find even a reasonable amount of the "clean" coins coming from a coinbase reward. They're just lying about "farm fresh" coins coming from "their" miners... In reality you get "unknown" funds... I don't know where they come from, but defenately NOT from a miner. Seeing what they lied about, and the amateurism, i would not trust a mixing session with this mixer... I'd probably advise anybody who used them to re-mix their coins, and treat this mixer's mixing session's outputs as "slightly"-mixed.

Here's a post i made listing their lies:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57452097
Since making this post, other lies have come to surface:

They had to admit they're not automated at all
They admitted not holding the amount of funds they say they hold... It's their "partners" that hold thousands of BTC, not them

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 23, 2021, 10:55:34 AM

I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 26, 2018, 07:22:20 AM

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

Quote from: SinisterB on July 23, 2021, 10:21:53 AM

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2023-list-bitcoin-mixers-bitcoin-tumblers-websites-2827109

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

Too bad for us that they are not a good mixer, as it is a good idea that someone could mix their coins with a reliable mixer and get "clean" coins (traceable back to exchanges, etc.) back. Because many US exchanges and merchants do not like "dirty" coins (tainted by drug markets, thefts, ransomware, etc.) , there would likely be a real demand for such clean ones.

Someone will probably come along in due course and offer a straightforward and honest service. And probably make lots of money...

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I'd say it's time to remove this one from the list:

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 26, 2018, 07:22:20 AM

⭐Name: WhaleMixer

This is why:

Quote from: SinisterB on July 23, 2021, 10:21:53 AM

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2023-list-bitcoin-mixers-bitcoin-tumblers-websites-2827109

"WhaleMixer" is collecting negative feedback, including mine, and is a proven liar.

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Update the ChipMixer Tor url to v3?

Quote from: ChipMixer on May 26, 2017, 05:01:37 PM

Tor v3 link: http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion (chip mix or fly, new Segwit)
Tor v2 link: http://chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion/ (obsolete, non Segwit)
Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com/

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The summer doesn't stop scammers...
Adding 3 more scams to the list

- chipmixer.one
- chipbitmixer.com
- https: //xn--chipmixr-z30d.com/index.html (IDN homograph attack)

more to come...

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Update the ChipMixer Tor url to v3?

It's done. Sorry, I was a bit busy recently

edit 2:

personnal note: A few mixers are under DDOS, so I'm unable to access their website. There is one I'm not sure it's a DDOS attack. It looks like to me there is no website uploaded on the server (the end?).
As for now all onions links have been updated, except mixers still using V2. No idea why they don't use V3

personnal note 2: still waiting a reply to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57471856

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Quote from: whalemixer1 on July 16, 2021, 01:00:06 AM

Whalemixer has received scam report

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new
Scam Report WhaleMixer.com - Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

We would like to inform that this error was on our side and we have solved the issue and awaiting the person that opened this to confirm the issue has been solved

We are sorry for the error and ensure our services is doing its best to keep the environment clean

You can visit our page at https://www.whalemixer.com to see any new news or notices or alternatively visit our amazing bitcointalk thread at :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57432375

we ensure the safety of all mixing

Happy mixing

This issue has been solved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new

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Whalemixer has received scam report

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.new#new
Scam Report WhaleMixer.com - Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

We would like to inform that this error was on our side and we have solved the issue and awaiting the person that opened this to confirm the issue has been solved

We are sorry for the error and ensure our services is doing its best to keep the environment clean

You can visit our page at https://www.whalemixer.com to see any new news or notices or alternatively visit our amazing bitcointalk thread at :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57432375

we ensure the safety of all mixing

Happy mixing

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098

Quote from: Tsyhan on July 03, 2021, 03:17:22 AM

It has been around for a long time and has been in featured mixers before in the first post of this thread.

Not true.

First post of this thread: January 26, 2018
First reddit post introducing this address as search engine: November 14, 2019
https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/dwk66v/introducing_kilos_a_new_search_engine_for_the/
Reddit post introducing it as bitcoin mixer: February 03, 2020
https://www.reddit.com/r/darknet/comments/eykvgi/kilos_your_favorite_darknet_market_search_engine/

This onion address has been mentioned at BitcoinTalk once.

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Quote from: logfiles on July 02, 2021, 07:11:53 PM

Quote from: Tsyhan on July 02, 2021, 02:58:29 PM

what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

I have got to be honest with you. I have been active in this forum from around 2017, been busting scam bitcoin mixers at some point, but I have never heard about kilos mixer or whatever it's name is.

Care to elaborate? At least share their URL and I do some digging myself?

Yes, I really forgot to attach the link. Here she is. http://dnmugu4755642434.onion/mixer
It has been around for a long time and has been in featured mixers before in the first post of this thread.

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Quote from: Tsyhan on July 02, 2021, 02:58:29 PM

what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

I have got to be honest with you. I have been active in this forum from around 2017, been busting scam bitcoin mixers at some point, but I have never heard about kilos mixer or whatever it's name is.

Care to elaborate? At least share their URL and I do some digging myself?

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what happened to the maker Kilos, why is it not on the list? They scam.?

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Fair enough. I'm late but I updated the details and added 1 more scam to the list: Bitcoinmixer.io. I've never caught this one :/

Removed the Tor V2 URL for Anonymixer too, as asked, since the V3 URL is ready (see here). The V2 will continue to work until it's possible. If you still want to use it, get the link directly from their website or ANN thread. More mixers will update to V3 in the next following days

By the way, I crawled the web and it's crazy the number of blogs/websites that provide URLs redirecting to scam mixers. This week I will check the first 10 pages of the SERP and I will surely find a couple of scammers

edit: another scam bitcoin-laundry.online

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 26, 2018, 07:22:20 AM

⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 0.003%
🔹Minimum amount: 0.1BTC

Maybe it would be a good idea to state that the 0.003% has to be multiplied by another factor to get the actual fee. This other factor is the „anonymity set” which is basically the number of participants of the CoinJoin. Wasabi's default anonymity set that it considers as „sufficient to evade low-level blockchain forensics analysis“ is 50. So in this case the total fee would be 0.003% * 50 = 0,15%

Source: docs.wasabiwallet.io

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Quote from: LeGaulois

personal note: looking at coinjoin.io

The website has only 1 page and nothing else. If you click in the menu on "how it works", you're redirected to a link from Investopedia.com and the "Github" to Github.
On the footer, it says 'the company'... which company are we talking about, it's a mystery.
Enough shady to me...

When you start to mix and get a Bitcoin address if you check it on an explorer the address has zero transaction.
I found a comment from someone on Reddit who got scammed by this service.

After searching a little more I found this website was offering some kind of investment with high return. The typical scheme for an HYIP.
Apparently up to 110% ROI (see here). You can notice the comment was posted on 25 April this year, so quite recently.

The website is surely archived on Archive.org but Internet Archive is offline due to a power outage.. At least with Archive.is it shows me this

EDIT:

After looking on Archive.org I found several snapshots. Most are the same as found on Archive .is but there is this one interesting
https://web.archive.org/web/20210223201720/http://www.coinjoin.io/en
Notice the design is the same as Bestmixer.io (and the current scam bestmixer.mx too)

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Yep, I saw your comment on their thread yesterday.
I visited the site a few hours later thinking it might be a server propagation problem, or due to the massive worldwide Internet outage but no sign of life, even a ping.

It's the second day today. I will wait two more days to see if it comes back otherwise I will update the original post.

edit:

The site is back online now

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Whalemixer has been down for some days. They announced a maintenance, but that period has gone already. Maybe they will be up or not?!

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