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Quote from: odolvlobo on February 07, 2023, 06:02:11 PM

A minor correction. You can pick your Wasabi coinjoin coordinator. You are not required to use zksnacks.

This is correct, but there is a good chance you won't be able to coinjoin anything because there are not enough coins with using different coordinators, or coinjoin results would be poor.
On top of that, most of the people don't even know how to choose different coordinator, and there is always a risk this other coordinators could be arrested for doing something illegal, so it's not very popular position Wink

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Quote from: LeGaulois on February 07, 2023, 11:35:04 AM

However, you can consider the fact, for example, Wasabi is operated by a company (zkSNACKs Ltd). And by nature, a company is centralized. This said CoinJoins are by nature P2P and decentralized.

A minor correction. You can pick your Wasabi coinjoin coordinator. You are not required to use zksnacks.

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Quote from: Nefelibato on February 07, 2023, 09:41:40 AM

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

It's more decentralized than other mixing solutions, but there are still some parts that can be centralized, like we saw in case with Wasabi wallet.
Joinmarket would be much better and more decentralized than all other mixing options.

Quote from: LeGaulois on February 07, 2023, 05:03:56 PM

The guy above is a bot, or? Huh

Post reported.
I did some testing of his posts for AI detection and results are showing high chance that he is actually a bot that used some tools to generate posts.
Than I saw his post history, with him writing in many different languages like Spanish, Italian, Russian, so I am even more sure this guy should be banned for plagiarism and use of AI tools.

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The guy above is a bot, or? Huh

He posted the same thing out of topic yesterday, after my reply to @Nefelibato
https://ninjastic.space/post/61719949
(The post has been moderated or he deleleted it, I don't know)

Instant payments with Bitcoin? That's trolling me... (0_0)

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Quote from: Nefelibato on February 07, 2023, 09:41:40 AM

OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

Coinjoin is a mixing method. And just as any mixing method (besides exceptions), it can be implemented in both centralized and decentralized manners. Central manner is the Wasabi wallet, where the coinjoin users must gather around a server, which will do the coinjoin without infringing custody. There's an even worse way, that is to just give up custody on a mixer, and let it do the coinjoin. The best way is to use peer-to-peer software such as JoinMarket, which works decentrally.

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Quote from: Nefelibato on February 07, 2023, 09:41:40 AM

Yep.
However, you can consider the fact, for exemple, Wasabi is operatated by a company (zkSNACKs Ltd). And by nature, a company is centralized. This said CoinJoins are by nature P2P and decentralized.
It's the tricky part, mixing the centralization with the decentralization.

As a result, who really décides? The company, as a coordinator, can block transactions they don't like to avoid hackers and scammers
The zkSNACKs coordinator will start refusing certain UTXOs from registering to coinjoins.
Today, hackers and scammers but soon or later it will be everything considered illicit. No really choice, since any company has to abide by the laws (money laundering,...)

Never, I've heard about a bitcoin mixer doing that.
I hope I'm not being too critical about Wasabi. They do a good job in their field

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OK. So Coinjoin we can consider it decentralized, I guess that's the main difference.

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It is, since the goal is the same: to mix your bitcoins.

However, the coinjoin protocol works a bit differently with a different transaction structure. You join a pool with different parties and TXs.
The transaction doesn't go from 1 sender to 1 receiver.
Alice, Bob, Carol, Dave, and Eve make a joining group to mix between them.

A bitcoin mixer is a centralized service that you send bitcoins to.
Alice sends bitcoins to Bob, and Bob sends bitcoins to Alice

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Why is Coinjoin not considered a mixer?

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If a mixer isn't anonymous, the police can find the owner.
If the police can easily find the owner, they can find the customers.

I discovered Unijoin is operating as a limited company (ltd) registered in the UK (with an active proposal to strike off)
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13647527
So there is the "supposed" name of Unijoin's owner

Surely a virtual adress, since the adress matches with a barbershop, but register a company without giving your identity in UK? I doubt it's possible nowadays. (it was possible 15 years back, with a 25£ fees)

Funny enough, the neighboor is "Uni Change"

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Not easy because I have to be neutral

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 05, 2023, 06:12:54 PM

Yomix.io

You should probably delete it from the list. Even "adult websites" aren't allowed. A mixer with taint analysis, lol.
What's next? Asking for KYC and a video chat showing your passport?

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 05, 2023, 06:12:54 PM

Prohibition of use By using the service you also agree that you are NOT an individual who is a resident of any country of European Union (the "EU")

This is crazy... and I failed to see this few days ago when I did my initial testing of their website.
They are excluding half of the planet from using their website, including EU (like you said) and United States, but they are also not allowing usage of any coins connected with gambling, cannabis and bunch of other things.
They can basically seize your coins for any of the reasons mentioned in their terms, unless they just wrote that for cosmetics/legal purposes.
Other thing I noticed with YoMix is that I am sometimes getting 504 Gateway Timeout errors and website gets randomly unavailable.
https://archive.is/IenZn

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Added 2 Bitcoin tumblers recently launched : Yomix.io and Mixero.io

Mixero.io
I noticed there is a 3rd fee applied. You don't see it, unless you read the "About" page. So, there are the network fees, the service fees and the fees its 'technologies' take (0.0005 BTC and 0.0002 BTC per extra address).
At least it's clairly written and not hidden to people.

Yomix.io
Don't see it as a negative point I'm bringing. I scrached my head because that's perhaps the first time I see a mixer with such ToS
Basically, as a French citizen, I'm not allowed to use the service:
Prohibition of use By using the service you also agree that you are NOT an individual who is a resident of any country of European Union (the "EU")[/quote]

Yet the site is translated in a few EU languages. Basically it means the mixer could freeze your coin. You can argue any other mixer can also freeze the coins, and it's right. But can I trust a service saying I'm not allowed to use the service, so can I trust a service that can do whatever with my coins? (hopping you see my point).
I believe it's done to protect the business but knowing the whole mixer business is mainly based on trust...

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Mixers are more and more on the radar of The US (recently Tornado, blender.io before,...)
The Treasury Department suggests that sanctions should be applied to Bitcoin mixers "to reduce the risk of money laundering" and "deter entities" residing in Russia, Iran, North Korea and elsewhere from laundering money via mixers

"...Mixers are a concern..."

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Where sanctions can act as a deterrent to any criminal seeking to use a blender to launder their funds [...], it is an effective means we can use to signal that we cannot tolerate money laundering." She explained, "Anonymity-enhancing technologies such as blenders [...] are indeed a concern in understanding the flow of illicit finances and pursuing them."

https://www.cointribune.com/analyses/institutions-entreprises/crypto-encore-plus-de-sanctions-contre-les-melangeurs-de-cryptomonnaies/
https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/the-competing-priorities-facing-u-s-crypto-regulations-bitcoin-ethereum/

I updated the list to add a newcomer, Mixy.money
(ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61036967)

All others are up and ready to mix!

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I notice that JoinMarket is not in your CoinJoin list.

⭐Name: JoinMarket
🔹Clearnet link: download at https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver
🔹Tor link:
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-joinmarket-coinjoin-that-people-will-actually-use-919116
🔹Fees: Varies. Typically, around 0.0001% per participant per round, or about 0.005%
🔹Minimum amount: Varies

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Quote from: coupable on August 20, 2022, 12:41:21 PM

Another note about Blindmixer, It seems that the site changed the domain name or that it changed its service. This link refers to a wallet service and not to a Mixer. I may be wrong with something, please check.

All is fine, blindmixer is both a mixer and a wallet. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blindmixercom-closed-5363757

Quote from: coupable on August 20, 2022, 12:41:21 PM

It is not a new mixer.
The site has been running since 2020 and has a representative here on the forum : [ANN] Anonymixer - the Anonymous Bitcoin Mixer

You're wrong because the real website is Anonymixer.com and not .org
The guy above is just another scammer looking to pollute the web

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Good new mixer

https://anonymixer.org/

It is not a new mixer.
The site has been running since 2020 and has a representative here on the forum : [ANN] Anonymixer - the Anonymous Bitcoin Mixer
The site is also on the OP list. Please check before posting :

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 26, 2018, 08:22:20 AM

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://anonymixer.com
🔹Tor link: btcmixer2e3pkn64eb5m65un5nypat4mje27er4ymltzshkmujmxlmyd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool for example right now 6 Feb it's 0.00009281 for a P2PKH address)
🔹Minimum amount: 1 satoshi

Btw , LeGaulois please update the info about this mixer ; the minimum amount to mix is 0.001 according to the info displayed in their homepage.

Another note about Blindmixer, It seems that the site changed the domain name or that it changed its service. This link refers to a wallet service and not to a Mixer. I may be wrong with something, please check.

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- Added Unijoin.io to the list. 1 or 2 others will be added during the week

- Bitcoin mixer activity reaches an all-time high. The 30-day moving average of BTC sent to mixers hit a record $51.8 million in April. In Q2 2022, the amount sent to mixing services exceeded $600 million. Ukraine vs Russia has a major impact on the use of crypto mixers.

Look like Blender.io is possibly still active.... using other mixers.

last week's report from Chainalysis Crypto Mixer Usage Reaches All-time Highs in 2022 With Nation State Actors and Cybercriminals Contributing Significant Volume

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Quote from: Tsyhan on July 13, 2022, 09:53:03 AM

Hello, Who can advise working, proven Ethereum mixers. Except for the tornado.

I can not, sorry. The demand for ETH mixers is so low and the supply so close to zero that the risk to be scammed is so high. Hence, everything that can be found on the web is surely 101% a scam. Even with what you can find on this forum, you should be extremely careful

In your shoes, I would prefer to make swap using an instant exchange, a DEX, or a CEX with no KYC.
ETH>Anycoin>ETH. You won't probably see a difference in the fees, and you can use a BTC mixer between if you want.

Tornado cash is the only one I know and to be honest I consider it as a "not so good" solution (depending on how anonymous you want to be of course). It's ok if you want to pay your whore of the week, less if the money comes from a hack

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Quote from: Tsyhan on July 13, 2022, 09:53:03 AM

Hello, Who can advise working, proven Ethereum mixers. Except for the tornado.

But this list is about Bitcoin mixers.

Nonetheless, checkout ETH-Mixer.com
This is their thread, though not active - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/we-decided-to-stop-working-on-the-project-2930843 (I can see a couple of members had some issues, one got his resolved.

I am not vouching for them since I have never used the service, so I advise you to;
1. DYOR
2. Proceed with caution and send in small test amounts to see if the mixer works

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