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Topic: 28nm ** 1T ** 900W【JingTian miner】 in production !!! - page 4. (Read 26259 times)

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5571215
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5572959

for @QuestionTime : We reserve our right to take legal action for your libel!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5579060

Bitmine and Innosilicon worked together to produce the chips, so both of them have rights to produce/resell the chips.

Of course not, what a FUD.

Bitmine has the right for exclusiv (speculation) distribution in Europe and the USA (speculation) and bought the license to produce the chip, which was produced at innosilicon for bitmine (facts). Whats innosilicon rights for distribution are in irrelevant as they are the producer, who selling licences. Bitmine claim, its their work has been stolen and I guess its up to the courts to decide whats going on, BUT i looks like that Bitmine is a bunch of amateurs, with 3 months delays and not able to drive the production to a level that can satisfy customers at all.

When Bitmine's first board design came up, my engineers are laughing and rolling on the floor. That was halirous. It was bound to fail.

After three reversions, we gave them the help by telling them using MTU. So their 4th reversion fnally works. But they are still not deliver a workable solution right now.

show us the mail or what ever
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Recent summary:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5571215
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5572959

for @QuestionTime : We reserve our right to take legal action for your libel!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5579060

Bitmine and Innosilicon worked together to produce the chips, so both of them have rights to produce/resell the chips.

Of course not, what a FUD.

Bitmine has the right for exclusiv (speculation) distribution in Europe and the USA (speculation) and bought the license to produce the chip, which was produced at innosilicon for bitmine (facts). Whats innosilicon rights for distribution are in irrelevant as they are the producer, who selling licences. Bitmine claim, its their work has been stolen and I guess its up to the courts to decide whats going on, BUT i looks like that Bitmine is a bunch of amateurs, with 3 months delays and not able to drive the production to a level that can satisfy customers at all.

When Bitmine's first board design came up, my engineers are laughing and rolling on the floor. That was halirous. It was bound to fail.

After three reversions, we gave them the help by telling them using MTU. So their 4th reversion fnally works. But they are still not deliver a workable solution right now.
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Recent summary:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5571215
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5572959

for @QuestionTime : We reserve our right to take legal action for your libel!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5579060

Bitmine and Innosilicon worked together to produce the chips, so both of them have rights to produce/resell the chips.

Of course not, what a FUD.

Bitmine has the right for exclusiv (speculation) distribution in Europe and the USA (speculation) and bought the license to produce the chip, which was produced at innosilicon for bitmine (facts). Whats innosilicon rights for distribution are in irrelevant as they are the producer, who selling licences. Bitmine claim, its their work has been stolen and I guess its up to the courts to decide whats going on, BUT i looks like that Bitmine is a bunch of amateurs, with 3 months delays and not able to drive the production to a level that can satisfy customers at all.

I have to agree with this.


AMT (Bitmine's U.S. reseller) is just as amateurish.
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When the price comes down I will buy from you. I can see the hard work that you have put in and I can't believe the balls of Bitmine. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I hope they gave you some compensation for helping their business from going down in flames even further.
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Also following this product as it seems most viable from the new breed of 1 TH/s miners introduced so far, but at least for now it hasn't matched by pricing excpectation. At the same time I fully appreciate that OP is not entering a bidding competition against lower grade products.
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It would be helpful if we could get updated pricing in the OP similar to how Bitmain displays their pricing.

I am following this product with great interest and intend to order one when the pricing becomes more attractive.
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Simple answer to the question "Does Innosilicon have right to sell the chips or not?" will resolve the double.

So you purchased/licensed your chips from Innosilicon? Can you post a picture of the bare chips you use?

Yes, we get the chips from Innosilicon.
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Simple answer to the question "Does Innosilicon have right to sell the chips or not?" will resolve the double.

So you purchased/licensed your chips from Innosilicon? Can you post a picture of the bare chips you use?
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Let's dig a little more in the design of bitmine board.

If Bitmine spend more times on research and development instead of making false claim, maybe their systems can come out a little bit early.

Without my help to show them using MCU on their system, I guess they probably will never deliver a damn thing.

People just need to show a little bit appreciation on people help them.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4617214
This thread from bitmine is locked for late delivery...
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Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread
January 20, 2014, 10:43:50 AM

Latest updates about the CoinCraft development:

Dear all,

These weeks were even crazier than the past ones. In just 3 weeks we did 3 revisions of the desk's hashing unit in order to achieve the expected performances, you can check the below pictures to see the work that was done on the various revisions. Everybody in the EE industry knows how long it takes to manufacture 4 layers board prototype, have them assembled and do research and measures on each board revision to find issues, we were able to do this only thanks to the efforts of our engineering team that worked overnight and during weekends.

What happened is that we had a condition where the single chips (or a pair of them) were working without problems at the expected performances, but when put on longer chains, performances were not stable for longer times. At a first revision of the board, we identified an issue with the reference clock, the oscillator wasn't powerful enough to drive all the 8 chips' reference clock inputs, so we had to add a clock divider. Plus, we had the need to drive an external reset, so we added that too.

On the second revision on the board, the clock divider was fixed but the next issues popped up with the decoupling of the power supply. Additionally, we removed the resistor dividers for the SPI signals and added level shifters.

On the third board yet another issue appeared due to parasitic interferences created by the high switching currents of the DCDC, this time requiring a more radical re-routing of the board layout. A team of 5 engineers worked on it these last days and we're awaiting the final revision for mid this week, where we don't expect to have additional issues anymore. Assuming that everything will be fine, production will be able to start during next week.

We are really trying to squeeze out every possible minute of delay but some things like the production of a 4 layers board cannot be accelerated that much due to physical constraints.

As soon as there will be more news I'll let you all know.

Thank you for your patience,

Giorgio








You see, those three versions are failed with bad design. BTW, what is the yellow tag in the third version? We suggested bitmine to use ST MCU. In around Feb 12, they made the fourth version(?) and the board seems working.  

Here is the picture for their old design and new design for Feb 12 version:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5108467

coincraft desk
old right. new left  
difference position of the chips


Please pay attention to the position where the yellow tag lies in third version for the difference.

Without our help, bitmine could still burn their chips and could NOT deliver a single unit. Someone just does not know how to appreciate the help from others and even possibly play the dirty game.
 
Simple answer to the question "Does Innosilicon have right to sell the chips or not?" will resolve the double. You can just message Giorgio from bitmine or open a new thread to ask Giorgio to get the answer. If there is a dispute, then it is between bitmine and Innosilicon. We made the clarification several times but seems someone is feared to let others know the truth and still dump false information and accusation. Someone just intentionally ignores the fact and do his paid(?) badmouth.







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I've also referred this and similar threads regarding the importation and possession of these Chinese A1 miners to the FBI for potential North American customers for further legal clarification.

Ignore this crappy troll. Someone must be very afraid of not getting their own business out in time, to me this looks like systematic defamation of a Chinese producer. While I absolutely love American and especially German products for their engineering, I dislike dirty tactics when I see such.

It's clear from the press releases that Innosilicon have licensed this technology to Bitmine. Case closed unless you can give factual proof and so far you have not been able to provide anything.


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dump the drama and get 1T miners from me instead. Cheesy
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I've also referred this and similar threads regarding the importation and possession of these Chinese A1 miners to the FBI for potential North American customers for further legal clarification.

Just becareful. We may sue you for defarmation.

so if I understand - a forum member wants to get it clarified whether your product may be stolen physical/intellectual property, and you start throwing around words like libel, defamation, and threaten to sue?

I am walking away from this now - my trust in your product just went down dramatically.

this is too reminiscent of BFL_Josh...

Klondike_bar, I do not agree with you. Asking for a clarification and Calling FBI are totally different issues. You cannot call FBI to involve until you have valid proof, or else you could be sued for defamation.  Both JT Miner and Bitmine seems use the same A1 chip from a Chinese suppliers and as I understand, Bitmine do not have the patent of the chip. And it seems that Bitmine does not deny it. This seems a fact.

I am tracking new generation of 20nm ASIC miners which is available for US miners currently, JT miners is one of them. Even though JT Miner is not in US market yet, they do have real miners running very stably and they has more than 1000 miners order which are waiting in line.  It is a promising supplier which our US consumers should expect. Therefore we should focus on the fact not the rumor or emotional assertion. We do not want a scam and at the same time we do encourage the good 28nm miner suppliers to join to compete so we have more choice, especially the promising miner suppliers.

what on earth are you talking about? You use the word defamation like you know what it means, but I really don't think you actually understand the legal definition. Suggesting the product might be slightly illegitimate for many questionable reasons brought up in this thread is not defamatory. It is very different from something like saying you had a unit in your hands and making false claims about it when that isnt true.

"Suggesting the product might be slightly illegitimate for many questionable reasons brought up in this thread is not defamatory." strongly agreed. However what i mean is that if calling FBI and FBI do involved, I could image what will happened next.
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Skyfromwell wrote " So Skywell is JianTian in English that is my company"
The thread is titled "JingTian"...
Just to clarify; Is it JianTian or is it JingTian?  Wanting to make sure I am referencing the right entity when I pose my question below.
Guessing that it was just typoed in the post or the title....

And now to my question:
Are JointDoctor and jayson001 affiliated in any way with JianTian/JingTian)?

Nope, i´m just a prospective buyer.  Cool
You said what I would say, man. I did not pay attention to JianTian or JingTian, just know from the post here it is called JT miner.

and to Ronin1, thanks for you input. Guessing who is associate with who only make things complicated and misleading, on the contrary, if we focused on the facts instead of the promises from miner companies and opinion from individuals, we will see things clearer and simpler. My philosophy is just focusing on what's done and what's the fact, not what's is saying and who's saying. When I watching politician debates on TV, I feel amused most of the time as they bla bla bla against the obvious facts. When I read a post here, I try to ignore who posted and pay attention to what's is said and what's the fact, which makes me more objective and less emotional. This is free forum, we are trying to screen out the promising miner providers for us, nothing personal.
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Skyfromwell wrote " So Skywell is JianTian in English that is my company"
The thread is titled "JingTian"...
Just to clarify; Is it JianTian or is it JingTian?  Wanting to make sure I am referencing the right entity when I pose my question below.
Guessing that it was just typoed in the post or the title....

And now to my question:
Are JointDoctor and jayson001 affiliated in any way with JianTian/JingTian)?

Nope, i´m just a prospective buyer.  Cool
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I've also referred this and similar threads regarding the importation and possession of these Chinese A1 miners to the FBI for potential North American customers for further legal clarification.

Just becareful. We may sue you for defarmation.

so if I understand - a forum member wants to get it clarified whether your product may be stolen physical/intellectual property, and you start throwing around words like libel, defamation, and threaten to sue?

I am walking away from this now - my trust in your product just went down dramatically.

this is too reminiscent of BFL_Josh...

+1
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Skyfromwell wrote " So Skywell is JianTian in English that is my company"
The thread is titled "JingTian"...
Just to clarify; Is it JianTian or is it JingTian?  Wanting to make sure I am referencing the right entity when I pose my question below.
Guessing that it was just typoed in the post or the title....

And now to my question:
Are JointDoctor and jayson001 affiliated in any way with JianTian/JingTian)?
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JingTian board
The board says that it is produced by Skywell & Innosilicon


For whoever interested:

Here is my board.

http://s161.photobucket.com/user/skyfromwell/media/skywellboard_zpsee2a6560.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

If you look on the Left top, there will show you a label saying:

Skywell & Innosilicon

So Skywell is JianTian in English that is my company.

Everyone knows who Innosilicon is now.

So if Bitmine plays this dirty game, then pulls Innosilicon into it. Let's see if you can see one more A1 chip in the future.
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For whoever interested:

Here is my board.

http://s161.photobucket.com/user/skyfromwell/media/skywellboard_zpsee2a6560.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

If you look on the Left top, there will show you a label saying:

Skywell & Innosilicon

So Skywell is JianTian in English that is my company.

Everyone knows who Innosilicon is now.

So if Bitmine plays this dirty game, then pulls Innosilicon into it. Let's see if you can see one more A1 chip in the future.
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Activity: 84
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If Bitmine spend more times on research and development instead of making false claim, maybe their systems can come out a little bit early.

Without my help to show them using MCU on their system, I guess they probably will never deliver a damn thing.

People just need to show a little bit appreciation on people help them.
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ASIC Wannabe
I've also referred this and similar threads regarding the importation and possession of these Chinese A1 miners to the FBI for potential North American customers for further legal clarification.

Just becareful. We may sue you for defarmation.

so if I understand - a forum member wants to get it clarified whether your product may be stolen physical/intellectual property, and you start throwing around words like libel, defamation, and threaten to sue?

I am walking away from this now - my trust in your product just went down dramatically.

this is too reminiscent of BFL_Josh...

Klondike_bar, I do not agree with you. Asking for a clarification and Calling FBI are totally different issues. You cannot call FBI to involve until you have valid proof, or else you could be sued for defamation.  Both JT Miner and Bitmine seems use the same A1 chip from a Chinese suppliers and as I understand, Bitmine do not have the patent of the chip. And it seems that Bitmine does not deny it. This seems a fact.

I am tracking new generation of 20nm ASIC miners which is available for US miners currently, JT miners is one of them. Even though JT Miner is not in US market yet, they do have real miners running very stably and they has more than 1000 miners order which are waiting in line.  It is a promising supplier which our US consumers should expect. Therefore we should focus on the fact not the rumor or emotional assertion. We do not want a scam and at the same time we do encourage the good 28nm miner suppliers to join to compete so we have more choice, especially the promising miner suppliers.

what on earth are you talking about? You use the word defamation like you know what it means, but I really don't think you actually understand the legal definition. Suggesting the product might be slightly illegitimate for many questionable reasons brought up in this thread is not defamatory. It is very different from something like saying you had a unit in your hands and making false claims about it when that isnt true.
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