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I see two big issues on your product:
1- The idea of a ring with a wallet inside sounds good but not secure. As you mentioned on the other thread, you shouldn't put your life savings there. So, you are creating a product to protect small amount of funds.
The problem is that people is not going to know that and they think that a HW is always secure.
2- Correct me if I am wrong. It seems you are creating the classic HW without any open source third-party software wallet compatibility. So, users are forced to trust you and use your closed-source software wallet in a single-sig setup.

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Sure, those are very fair questions so let me try and answer them all. Some of it is still not out there because we only recently started publishing things about the company, so we will be slowly phasing out various updates and more information about the product over the next couple of months.

Intiially, the ring will support BTC, SOL, ETH and EVM-compatible blockchains. This means, upon release and delivery of presale orders. Unfortunately, it means we won't have things like Tron or Multivers upon release; however we will be adding all the relevant blockchains in a timely manner. In regards to EVM, we will probably include the large ones directly with the release like BSC, Polygon, Optimism etc. Some of the lesser-known ones we might phase out as well.

Regarding the backup (Ace Cards), their sole and exclusive functionality is to act as a backup. They have a different chip inside of them as compared to the wallet (ring) and they're not meant to be a wallet because we think that would defeat their purpose a bit. Ideally, these are things you set up and then store somewhere securely (i.e hide them somewhere) and never use them unless you need to restore your wallet. If you were asking this in the sense of whether we will also have a card-form hardware wallet like Tangem does, the honest answer is I don't know; it's quite honestly not a focus for us right now. First we want to launch and ship the rings along with the Ace Cards; those will also be the only 2 initial products we will have on our website.

After that, we already have a second product in the pipeline which with a bit of luck we should be able to release & start shipping before end of Q1 next year, but I can tell you it's not a card wallet. It's naturally still a wallet, and it is also a wearable, but we'll release more info about this only after we ship out the initial batch of rings.

Of course, I see that you are mostly just responding to satscraper, yet as a courtesy, it is probably best to keep your responses fairly succinct in threads like this (and maybe OP should have created this one as a self-moderated thread, but did not).. I did see that in the last couple of days you guys have created a Ringwallet forum thread (also not self-moderated), which also is receiving some pushback and skepticism, and I have not looked at any of that thread in detail (even though it is so far a short thread, and not that I am any kind of a technical expert), yet it might be a bit early in terms of coming to too many conclusions if the product (or products) is not quite in a released stage.. but still good to refer folks to either that thread that you guys created or some other locations that might answer the questions.

I see, sorry for that, I didn't really give it much thought. And yes we have that existing thread which wasn't very well done to be perfectly honest, we will probably make a more professional one a bit later on. And yes we did receive some skepticism which is generally fair and a good exercise, I did my best to answer all the questions there and will continue to do so. The product is not live yet as of now and cannot be ordered, perhaps I'll come back in this thread after there's more things made public. Thanks for the answer nonetheless.
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Sure, those are very fair questions so let me try and answer them all. Some of it is still not out there because we only recently started publishing things about the company, so we will be slowly phasing out various updates and more information about the product over the next couple of months.

Intiially, the ring will support BTC, SOL, ETH and EVM-compatible blockchains. This means, upon release and delivery of presale orders. Unfortunately, it means we won't have things like Tron or Multivers upon release; however we will be adding all the relevant blockchains in a timely manner. In regards to EVM, we will probably include the large ones directly with the release like BSC, Polygon, Optimism etc. Some of the lesser-known ones we might phase out as well.

Regarding the backup (Ace Cards), their sole and exclusive functionality is to act as a backup. They have a different chip inside of them as compared to the wallet (ring) and they're not meant to be a wallet because we think that would defeat their purpose a bit. Ideally, these are things you set up and then store somewhere securely (i.e hide them somewhere) and never use them unless you need to restore your wallet. If you were asking this in the sense of whether we will also have a card-form hardware wallet like Tangem does, the honest answer is I don't know; it's quite honestly not a focus for us right now. First we want to launch and ship the rings along with the Ace Cards; those will also be the only 2 initial products we will have on our website.

After that, we already have a second product in the pipeline which with a bit of luck we should be able to release & start shipping before end of Q1 next year, but I can tell you it's not a card wallet. It's naturally still a wallet, and it is also a wearable, but we'll release more info about this only after we ship out the initial batch of rings.

Of course, I see that you are mostly just responding to satscraper, yet as a courtesy, it is probably best to keep your responses fairly succinct in threads like this (and maybe OP should have created this one as a self-moderated thread, but did not).. I did see that in the last couple of days you guys have created a Ringwallet forum thread (also not self-moderated), which also is receiving some pushback and skepticism, and I have not looked at any of that thread in detail (even though it is so far a short thread, and not that I am any kind of a technical expert), yet it might be a bit early in terms of coming to too many conclusions if the product (or products) is not quite in a released stage.. but still good to refer folks to either that thread that you guys created or some other locations that might answer the questions.

I see, sorry for that, I didn't really give it much thought. And yes we have that existing thread which wasn't very well done to be perfectly honest, we will probably make a more professional one a bit later on. And yes we did receive some skepticism which is generally fair and a good exercise, I did my best to answer all the questions there and will continue to do so. The product is not live yet as of now and cannot be ordered, perhaps I'll come back in this thread after there's more things made public. Thanks for the answer nonetheless.
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Sure, those are very fair questions so let me try and answer them all. Some of it is still not out there because we only recently started publishing things about the company, so we will be slowly phasing out various updates and more information about the product over the next couple of months.

Intiially, the ring will support BTC, SOL, ETH and EVM-compatible blockchains. This means, upon release and delivery of presale orders. Unfortunately, it means we won't have things like Tron or Multivers upon release; however we will be adding all the relevant blockchains in a timely manner. In regards to EVM, we will probably include the large ones directly with the release like BSC, Polygon, Optimism etc. Some of the lesser-known ones we might phase out as well.

Regarding the backup (Ace Cards), their sole and exclusive functionality is to act as a backup. They have a different chip inside of them as compared to the wallet (ring) and they're not meant to be a wallet because we think that would defeat their purpose a bit. Ideally, these are things you set up and then store somewhere securely (i.e hide them somewhere) and never use them unless you need to restore your wallet. If you were asking this in the sense of whether we will also have a card-form hardware wallet like Tangem does, the honest answer is I don't know; it's quite honestly not a focus for us right now. First we want to launch and ship the rings along with the Ace Cards; those will also be the only 2 initial products we will have on our website.

After that, we already have a second product in the pipeline which with a bit of luck we should be able to release & start shipping before end of Q1 next year, but I can tell you it's not a card wallet. It's naturally still a wallet, and it is also a wearable, but we'll release more info about this only after we ship out the initial batch of rings.

Of course, I see that you are mostly just responding to satscraper, yet as a courtesy, it is probably best to keep your responses fairly succinct in threads like this (and maybe OP should have created this one as a self-moderated thread, but did not).. I did see that in the last couple of days you guys have created a Ringwallet forum thread (also not self-moderated), which also is receiving some pushback and skepticism, and I have not looked at any of that thread in detail (even though it is so far a short thread, and not that I am any kind of a technical expert), yet it might be a bit early in terms of coming to too many conclusions if the product (or products) is not quite in a released stage.. but still good to refer folks to either that thread that you guys created or some other locations that might answer the questions.
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Thanks, I will add it to my backlog
Another hardware wallet for your backlog coming soon - RingWallet.
It should be open source and it can even store information from virtual debit cards for payments:
https://ringwallet.com/

PS
I know this is not the first ring shaped hardware wallet, Satochip and Tangem worked on their version, so it's now race who can release working product with better price.

That was really fast. Thank you. I appreciate it. We'll be releasing and shipping the rings by end of this year. The software will eventually be made open source yes, we're just consulting with some lawyers for now to see if there's any way to protect the code against commercial use for a limited period of time; say 2 years, similar to how Uniswap v3 was released, in order to have time to work on future version before people just fork it and spin their own. Ideally we should ship the first batches of the product before end of Q3.

I kinda like the ring form factor and intended to buy one of such fancy stuff coming to market . Still many features of RingWallet remain unclear for me despite the fact that you published the relevant   Brand  Guidelines.

 Will it be designed solely for bitcoin ? And regarding backup cards. Will they also have wallet's functionality or they are solely for backup?

Sure, those are very fair questions so let me try and answer them all. Some of it is still not out there because we only recently started publishing things about the company, so we will be slowly phasing out various updates and more information about the product over the next couple of months.

Intiially, the ring will support BTC, SOL, ETH and EVM-compatible blockchains. This means, upon release and delivery of presale orders. Unfortunately, it means we won't have things like Tron or Multivers upon release; however we will be adding all the relevant blockchains in a timely manner. In regards to EVM, we will probably include the large ones directly with the release like BSC, Polygon, Optimism etc. Some of the lesser-known ones we might phase out as well.

Regarding the backup (Ace Cards), their sole and exclusive functionality is to act as a backup. They have a different chip inside of them as compared to the wallet (ring) and they're not meant to be a wallet because we think that would defeat their purpose a bit. Ideally, these are things you set up and then store somewhere securely (i.e hide them somewhere) and never use them unless you need to restore your wallet. If you were asking this in the sense of whether we will also have a card-form hardware wallet like Tangem does, the honest answer is I don't know; it's quite honestly not a focus for us right now. First we want to launch and ship the rings along with the Ace Cards; those will also be the only 2 initial products we will have on our website.

After that, we already have a second product in the pipeline which with a bit of luck we should be able to release & start shipping before end of Q1 next year, but I can tell you it's not a card wallet. It's naturally still a wallet, and it is also a wearable, but we'll release more info about this only after we ship out the initial batch of rings.
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Thanks, I will add it to my backlog
Another hardware wallet for your backlog coming soon - RingWallet.
It should be open source and it can even store information from virtual debit cards for payments:
https://ringwallet.com/

PS
I know this is not the first ring shaped hardware wallet, Satochip and Tangem worked on their version, so it's now race who can release working product with better price.

That was really fast. Thank you. I appreciate it. We'll be releasing and shipping the rings by end of this year. The software will eventually be made open source yes, we're just consulting with some lawyers for now to see if there's any way to protect the code against commercial use for a limited period of time; say 2 years, similar to how Uniswap v3 was released, in order to have time to work on future version before people just fork it and spin their own. Ideally we should ship the first batches of the product before end of Q3.

I kinda like the ring form factor and intended to buy one of such fancy stuff coming to market . Still many features of RingWallet remain unclear for me despite the fact that you published the relevant   Brand  Guidelines.

 Will it be designed solely for bitcoin ? And regarding backup cards. Will they also have wallet's functionality or they are solely for backup?
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Thanks, I will add it to my backlog
Another hardware wallet for your backlog coming soon - RingWallet.
It should be open source and it can even store information from virtual debit cards for payments:
https://ringwallet.com/

PS
I know this is not the first ring shaped hardware wallet, Satochip and Tangem worked on their version, so it's now race who can release working product with better price.

That was really fast. Thank you. I appreciate it. We'll be releasing and shipping the rings by end of this year. The software will eventually be made open source yes, we're just consulting with some lawyers for now to see if there's any way to protect the code against commercial use for a limited period of time; say 2 years, similar to how Uniswap v3 was released, in order to have time to work on future version before people just fork it and spin their own. Ideally we should ship the first batches of the product before end of Q3.
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Thanks, I will add it to my backlog
Another hardware wallet for your backlog coming soon - RingWallet.
It should be open source and it can even store information from virtual debit cards for payments:
https://ringwallet.com/

PS
I know this is not the first ring shaped hardware wallet, Satochip and Tangem worked on their version, so it's now race who can release working product with better price.
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Thanks, I will add it to my backlog

I have another hardware wallet you can add to your list, and it's not new device, but just recently I found they are offering something different from other manufacturers.
This device is called HASHwallet and it is in form of standard credit card with integrated EAL6+ secure chip.
Unique for Hashwallet is that they dont have any firmware updates ever, there is unlimited number of wallets and seed phrases per device, they have key recovery (different from ledger) and inheritance system.

Official links:
https://www.gethashwallet.com/
https://www.gethashwallet.com/faqs
https://www.gethashwallet.com/features

PS
I am not recommending or advertising this product, please do your own research.
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Hi. I wrote an article with all the lessons learnt about how to choose a hardware wallet during the last year while building The Bitcoin Hole.

https://medium.com/the-bitcoin-hole/how-to-choose-a-hardware-wallet-c60c623f8697
Good article, especially for beginners and people who still don't own any hardware wallet or signing device.

I have another hardware wallet you can add to your list, and it's not new device, but just recently I found they are offering something different from other manufacturers.
This device is called HASHwallet and it is in form of standard credit card with integrated EAL6+ secure chip.
Unique for Hashwallet is that they dont have any firmware updates ever, there is unlimited number of wallets and seed phrases per device, they have key recovery (different from ledger) and inheritance system.

Official links:
https://www.gethashwallet.com/
https://www.gethashwallet.com/faqs
https://www.gethashwallet.com/features

PS
I am not recommending or advertising this product, please do your own research.
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Hi. I wrote an article with all the lessons learnt about how to choose a hardware wallet during the last year while building The Bitcoin Hole.

https://medium.com/the-bitcoin-hole/how-to-choose-a-hardware-wallet-c60c623f8697
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P.S.  How's that STAX order coming?  Ledger Stax, announced in 2022.  Still hasn't shipped, and when it finally does it'll probably be more buggy than a beehive.
Starting at the end of this month [rough estimate], it'll be shipped in three batches: Ledger Stax Pre-Orders are Shipping Soon!
- I expect it to come with more issues than their previous flagship model!

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You are right, thanks. Added Grid+ SafeCards to the Seed Backup Solutions comparison: https://thebitcoinhole.com/seed-backup

Added Grid+ Lattice1
I am not a fan of this Lattice1 hardware wallet and it's price, and I think it is more focused on ethereum than on bitcoin,
but since you added it already maybe you could also add their more affordable product that is used as a seed backup solution, and it's called Safepack.
Safepack is sold in pack of two cards and price is $40:
https://gridplus.io/products/safe-cards

PS
I still prefer Satochip card instead for this purpose.
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Added Grid+ Lattice1
I am not a fan of this Lattice1 hardware wallet and it's price, and I think it is more focused on ethereum than on bitcoin,
but since you added it already maybe you could also add their more affordable product that is used as a seed backup solution, and it's called Safepack.
Safepack is sold in pack of two cards and price is $40:
https://gridplus.io/products/safe-cards

PS
I still prefer Satochip card instead for this purpose.
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Approaching the upcoming halving, Ledger is offering a purchase promo until April 15, 2024.

I sure hope that when anyone is comparing hardware wallets, they consider the fact that Ledger hardware has key extraction firmware which means it's less safe than other options, not to mention how Ledger Live tracks everything they'll do.

Ledger should be avoided like the plague.  Even if they offered a 100% discount, making their hardware free, I wouldn't recommend Ledger.  Well, actually, if I really disliked somebody, I suppose I'd recommend Ledger to them.

P.S.  How's that STAX order coming?  Ledger Stax, announced in 2022.  Still hasn't shipped, and when it finally does it'll probably be more buggy than a beehive.
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Added Grid+ Lattice1
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Yes, added the new Inheritance section. I opened a topic here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5492618

You are right, Safepal added coin control in November. Fixed. Thanks

I see new section was release for Bitcoin inheritance, so far there are five services listed:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/inheritance

@maxirosson
Can you please check if some correction is needed for Safepal hardware wallet and coin control?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63929075
legendary
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Approaching the upcoming halving, Ledger is offering a purchase promo until April 15, 2024.
Maybe you should try not to promote stuff like this here, it is off-topic and has nothing to do with thebitcoinhole website topic.
There are plenty of other topics for ledger hardware wallet to post their crap voucher promotions.

I see new section was release for Bitcoin inheritance, so far there are five services listed:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/inheritance

@maxirosson
Can you please check if some correction is needed for Safepal hardware wallet and coin control?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63929075
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Get up to $50 of BTC this Bitcoin Halving
A little tediousness.

At what rate do these ledger vouchers contain BTC? By the time of delivery, bitcoin rate will change and the fixed 20$, 30$ and 50$ will already become less or more (this moment is not so bad). Or maybe the voucher automatically adds BTC at the current rate from the moment the redemption code is entered? In any case, there is less than a day left to find out (and limited supplies).

It should be added that the promotion (Source) is valid only for specific hardware wallet models (not all body colors will be available):

Ledger Nano S Plus Matte Black  
Ledger Nano X Onyx Black  
Ledger Nano X Onyx Black + Ledger Recover    
The Ledger Nano Duo (Are there only black options here too?)
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Approaching the upcoming halving, Ledger is offering a purchase promo until April 15, 2024.

Get up to $50 of BTC this Bitcoin Halving



Ledger Nano X + $30 of BTC
Ledger Nano SP + $20 of BTC
The Ledger Duo + $50 of BTC
Ledger Nano X + Ledger Recover + $40 of BTC
CryptoTag + $10 of BTC

When will receive gift Card?
The physical gift card will be delivered along with your Ledger device.
The card will be inside an envelope.
Gently scratch the gray area of the card to reveal the code.

Note: The card also contains a QR code that takes you to the step-by-step instructions for claiming your BTC.

https://shop.ledger.com/pages/bitcoin-halving-offer
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@maxirosson
Earlier, while I was cleaning my bookmarks, I stumbled upon two old hardware wallets that despite being unpopular, they're still available to this day and both of them are still missing from the list:

  • GridPlus Lattice1
    • Built-in tamper detection
    • 5-inch touch display
    • Offline backups with GridPlus SafeCards
    • Full control with lattice-connect (open-source)
    • Closed-source firmware
    • $397

  • OPOLO [formerly known as OPOLO Cosmos]
    • EAL6+ secure element
    • 3.2-inch touch display
    • Anti-theft protection
    • PCB encapsulation
    • Closed-source
    • €149 [€299]
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