A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 58.

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Quote from: Longsnowsm on October 02, 2016, 09:09:48 PM

Ok, if these pics are real then I have some serious concerns about pumping 1100w through what appears to be 4 PCIE connectors! That just is not going to work.

Also looks like they are getting 273mh from almost 1100w. This means the Titans are clearly very competitive and the A4's will have nothing in this first batch on the Titans.

I hope I am misreading the power and connector situation because those plugs are not designed to handle that kind of load.

Avalon 6 pushes 1100 watts on 4 PCIE connectors no problem.

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Ok, if these pics are real then I have some serious concerns about pumping 1100w through what appears to be 4 PCIE connectors! That just is not going to work.

Also looks like they are getting 273mh from almost 1100w. This means the Titans are clearly very competitive and the A4's will have nothing in this first batch on the Titans.

I hope I am misreading the power and connector situation because those plugs are not designed to handle that kind of load.

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Anyone got them yet?

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Quote from: Eyedol-X on October 02, 2016, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: Ilan123 on October 02, 2016, 07:42:29 AM

I have been speaking to Amanda Zheng on Alibaba.com she said that, Innosilicon is making the chip and they are making the hash board, main board and whole unit. She has said that there will be a max of 200 units dispatched in Batch 1 and their price to ship an individual unit on Oct 15th is $2100 + shipping. The Co name is Shenzhen bit-winkor Electronics.

She said that I would have to wait until Batch 2 ships in December to get the price of $1800 + Shipping. She has sent some more pictures.

So what kind of warranty, if any, are they offering? The seller shows to have an onsite assessment done but they haven't done many transactions on Alibaba in last 6 months.

I am not too sure about warranty I'll ask her and will report back

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Quote from: Ilan123 on October 02, 2016, 07:42:29 AM

I have been speaking to Amanda Zheng on Alibaba.com she said that, Innosilicon is making the chip and they are making the hash board, main board and whole unit. She has said that there will be a max of 200 units dispatched in Batch 1 and their price to ship an individual unit on Oct 15th is $2100 + shipping. The Co name is Shenzhen bit-winkor Electronics.

She said that I would have to wait until Batch 2 ships in December to get the price of $1800 + Shipping. She has sent some more pictures.

So what kind of warranty, if any, are they offering? The seller shows to have an onsite assessment done but they haven't done many transactions on Alibaba in last 6 months.

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I have been speaking to Amanda Zheng on Alibaba.com she said that, Innosilicon is making the chip and they are making the hash board, main board and whole unit. She has said that there will be a max of 200 units dispatched in Batch 1 and their price to ship an individual unit on Oct 15th is $2100 + shipping. The Co name is Shenzhen bit-winkor Electronics.

She said that I would have to wait until Batch 2 ships in December to get the price of $1800 + Shipping. She has sent some more pictures.

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Quote from: icon73 on October 01, 2016, 11:15:50 AM

Quote from: excelerator on September 30, 2016, 01:37:08 PM

I just received an offer to purchase an A4 from a Inno reseller on Alibaba for shipment within 15-20 days. The price was $2400, including a power supply, and shipping was extra.

That's an excellent development in that Inno now appears to be making promises to resellers of the A4 for availability. The two resellers I've been in contact with previously would not take pre-order money for the A4.

It will be interesting to see what they provide in the form of bulk discounts for larger operations.

Looks like you can get them in quantity for $1990 with 3 day shipping after payment.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/300M-litcoin-miner-A4-new-litcoin_60539332439.html?spm=a2700.7906341.35.1.j9lygT

I just got a quote for 4.

-Mike

I'd be VERY worried about a reseller that has the R4 listed for sale at $1100, as that's a good bit less then BitMain's inflated pricing on those units.

The pictures also don't match Innosilicon's stated dimensions for the unit, though they DO match up with some of the recent pictures that have been posted.

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Quote from: icon73 on October 01, 2016, 11:15:50 AM

Quote from: excelerator on September 30, 2016, 01:37:08 PM

I just received an offer to purchase an A4 from a Inno reseller on Alibaba for shipment within 15-20 days. The price was $2400, including a power supply, and shipping was extra.

That's an excellent development in that Inno now appears to be making promises to resellers of the A4 for availability. The two resellers I've been in contact with previously would not take pre-order money for the A4.

It will be interesting to see what they provide in the form of bulk discounts for larger operations.

Looks like you can get them in quantity for $1990 with 3 day shipping after payment.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/300M-litcoin-miner-A4-new-litcoin_60539332439.html?spm=a2700.7906341.35.1.j9lygT

I just got a quote for 4.

-Mike

Nice find! This reseller appears to accept Visa so further derisks the purchase.

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Quote from: excelerator on September 30, 2016, 01:37:08 PM

I just received an offer to purchase an A4 from a Inno reseller on Alibaba for shipment within 15-20 days. The price was $2400, including a power supply, and shipping was extra.

That's an excellent development in that Inno now appears to be making promises to resellers of the A4 for availability. The two resellers I've been in contact with previously would not take pre-order money for the A4.

It will be interesting to see what they provide in the form of bulk discounts for larger operations.

Looks like you can get them in quantity for $1990 with 3 day shipping after payment.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/300M-litcoin-miner-A4-new-litcoin_60539332439.html?spm=a2700.7906341.35.1.j9lygT

I just got a quote for 4.

-Mike

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Very interesting.
I'm hoping that LTC gains some traction with their recent announcements,
and people could really make some money if they were mining and the price suddenly went up.

(Are the people considering buying this going to mine LTC or is there another scrypt based coin you want this for?)

I really wish I had electricity costs low enough to support mining. Angry

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Quote from: vinylwasp on September 29, 2016, 10:30:27 PM

Quote from: IIpeBeD_MeDBeD on September 28, 2016, 08:19:48 AM

Looking good Cheesy

The other thing is that Bitmain's S9 boards have a riser which projects above the chassis so you can plug the 3 x PCIe connectors per board directly into the board. In the photo of the A4 board these are facing the rear where the Fan would be, but I'm sure they've overcome that in some elegant way.

Quite a bit lower power draw than the S9, they might be using a single fan.

Double-fan in a push-pull configuration doesn't add all that much airflow, it's more about overcomming the rather high backpressure inherent to the S7/S9 supercramped airflow design.

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Quote from: bclcjunkie on September 29, 2016, 11:22:22 PM

thanks for the update mate. i wasn't getting responses from Chloe lately and was starting to worry... anyway extra boost and good design are worth waiting couple more weeks so that we don't waste another month returning defective units.. i also hope they give us early buyers more head start so that we can at least get back most of what we invested by the time mass production hits the market... please check with her if inno still remembers their promise to early buyers about leeway in that sense...

I just received an offer to purchase an A4 from a Inno reseller on Alibaba for shipment within 15-20 days. The price was $2400, including a power supply, and shipping was extra.

That's an excellent development in that Inno now appears to be making promises to resellers of the A4 for availability. The two resellers I've been in contact with previously would not take pre-order money for the A4.

While it indicates that pre-order buyers are not getting any "leeway" per above as far as mining time exclusivity, it does appear they are getting preferential price treatment. Assuming a $120 retail price for a noisy server PSU, that leaves the base unit price at $2280, a full $480 higher than the pre-order price.

This is potentially GREAT news for Titan owners because if the new retail price of the base unit is now closer to $2300, that will extend the value of their investment. Working with published specs, the recent sale of a 300MH Titan on ebay was $9.3/MH and if the 280MH A4 is closer to $2300, that raises the price to $8.1/MH!

Ebay has long established the value of Titans at $8-10/MH, so Inno knows this is the consumer market price.

It will be interesting to see what they provide in the form of bulk discounts for larger operations.

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in the meantime finally some kind of movement in ltc future roadmap. i like the anon part and but most of them love the fungibility part... coupled with faster transactions that ltc was always known for perhaps this time this sleeping giant could get some serious boost among investors...

https://litecointalk.io/t/development-update-sep-23-2016/80
https://btcmanager.com/news/tech/litecoin-becomes-anonymous-available-on-jaxx-soon/

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thanks for the update mate. i wasn't getting responses from Chloe lately and was starting to worry... anyway extra boost and good design are worth waiting couple more weeks so that we don't waste another month returning defective units.. i also hope they give us early buyers more head start so that we can at least get back most of what we invested by the time mass production hits the market... please check with her if inno still remembers their promise to early buyers about leeway in that sense...

Quote from: Longsnowsm on September 27, 2016, 09:58:36 PM

Ok, So I received an update from Inno regarding the A4. They are running a little behind schedule. Here is what they sent me and we have some pictures if I can figure out how to post them here. Overall this isn't too terribly unexpected, and I am asking for more details regarding the miner, the better than expected performance etc. I will post more as soon as I hear more from Inno.

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I have a good news and bad news about A4.

Good news is that the mass production of A4 wafers went smoothly and the performance is even better than we expected. Bad news is that the Assembly house was not prepared enough to meet our schedule, and the qualification took a little longer. Fortunately the issue was solved and the condition is still under control. Currently we have some sample miners ready. Attached are pictures of our sample miner.

The estimated shipping date is Oct 15th due to the National holiday from Oct 1st to 7th.

From a design of ASIC to a complete miner, there are many processes to go. Unexpected things may happen in each process and that's why we declared one month delay. For now most processes went well, and our sample miners’ performance is beyond our expectation. All we want is to select the most profitable yet reliable solution for our customers.

Really hope that you can understand and give us more patience.

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Quote from: IIpeBeD_MeDBeD on September 28, 2016, 08:19:48 AM

Looking good Cheesy

The performance boost is the best news yet, wonder how much extra they got? The earlier quoted target of 4Mhs per chip or 320 Mh/s per miner would be nice Grin

As this Bitmain style enclosure doesn't conform to the size specs that were provided, perhaps this is just a test rig?
"Size: Length 28cm * Width 12.8cm * Height 25cm"

If it's the final form I wonder how the 4 boards are mounted as this extrusion has 2 groups of 2 slots but there doesn't appear to be enough space in the center to run the boards back to back when you factor in heat sinks. I can't see how you'd fit 4 boards in. That board is 200mm x 115mm btw.

The other thing is that Bitmain's S9 boards have a riser which projects above the chassis so you can plug the 3 x PCIe connectors per board directly into the board. In the photo of the A4 board these are facing the rear where the Fan would be, but I'm sure they've overcome that in some elegant way.

It would be nice if this is going to be the final form, as they shouldn't weigh anything like the quoted 11Kg either (S9s weigh 5.5 Kg), and hopefully shipping would be better than the quoted USD $79 ea.

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Quote from: excelerator on September 20, 2016, 09:51:25 PM

If LTC was at $4 today and you turned the machine on, you would likely not ROI until July 2017 (LTC baseline). That assumes the same stability of difficulty we've enjoyed for the last year. With a flood of new A4s, difficulty will jump up across all coins so it'll be interesting. I'm assuming the base unit is $1800, $150 shipping, and $200 for a EVGA 1300 PSU with power at $0.10 with an average difficulty increase of 0.1%. I would call this the BEST case scenario.

Shipping should be a little less than $100 per earlier posts.

Power at 10c/KWH is HIGH for most miners, "best case" would be more like *3* (and for me currently 4.5 but hopefully under 3 sometime next year).

On the other hand, I DO expect the network hashrate to about double over the next year, possibly a little sooner - depends on how fast they can get units built and shipped, and on their chip supply (Bitmain has had OBVIOUS limits on how many chips to make S9s they could get at a time).

One up side of the delays - my A2s have managed ROI. 8-)

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Looking good Cheesy

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Quote from: Longsnowsm on September 27, 2016, 09:58:36 PM

Ok, So I received an update from Inno regarding the A4. They are running a little behind schedule. Here is what they sent me and we have some pictures if I can figure out how to post them here. Overall this isn't too terribly unexpected, and I am asking for more details regarding the miner, the better than expected performance etc. I will post more as soon as I hear more from Inno.

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I have a good news and bad news about A4.

Good news is that the mass production of A4 wafers went smoothly and the performance is even better than we expected. Bad news is that the Assembly house was not prepared enough to meet our schedule, and the qualification took a little longer. Fortunately the issue was solved and the condition is still under control. Currently we have some sample miners ready. Attached are pictures of our sample miner.

The estimated shipping date is Oct 15th due to the National holiday from Oct 1st to 7th.

From a design of ASIC to a complete miner, there are many processes to go. Unexpected things may happen in each process and that's why we declared one month delay. For now most processes went well, and our sample miners’ performance is beyond our expectation. All we want is to select the most profitable yet reliable solution for our customers.

Really hope that you can understand and give us more patience.

Great Pictures - If someone wants out I would consider buying their unit if its in the US or can be shipped directly to me from Inno

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I wonder if they will now issue refunds for those requesting since they will be over one month late delivering

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