Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 62. (Read 122577 times)
September 05, 2016, 01:12:50 AM
It's literally a few days into September what is with the people chimming in about scam?
September 05, 2016, 12:48:57 AM
Haven't checked this in a while -- but I'm surprised this has not been labeled as a SCAM by now?
Feel sorry for the folks that actually wired money to these people -- but then again there were so many things not right about this "offering."
The biggest being that they only have cell-phone numbers in their supposed offices. Doesn't anyone find that odd?
September 05, 2016, 12:45:31 AM
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@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
When did they originally "tell us" they would push into October? I haven't seen that on the website, rather it said August from the July 1st update.
"Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html
They "originally" said June/July on their March 30th announcement.
"Mass produced A4 ASIC/Miners will be available in June/July 2016 based on pre-order sequence."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.html
The original inference was clear - early pre-orders would start in June and pre-order sequence would have later orders shipping in July.
You find yourself hoping that perhaps they've already made them and are "burning them in" in a big data hall for QC but LTC hash rate shows nothing interesting happening.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/assets/difficulty/litecoin-hash_rate.png?1472935868
Speaking of hash rates, would it be reasonable to expect the hash rate to increase say 10x? Coz the A4 will not only be spun up by the pre-orders here but by the partners and their farms as well I'd imagine.....
when I started mining LTC in Nov 2014 the GH for LTC was 1169gh right now the gh is at this moment 1585gh....so that is a 26.25% increase since then. This was just AS the Titans started to hit
the LTC fold. Thus for Innsilicon to beat that they would have to ship at least the same amount of KNC Titans (more or less) to do the same. Supposedly 5k of Titans were shipped. In reality
we think it was more like 3.5k of such Titans were made at the most. Likely a lot less then that if you look at my calcs below.
If you delve deeper then that raise in GH is equivalent to 1,386 Titans (check my figures)....So imho the LTC may go up 25% BUT they will have to kick a lot of A4's or equiv data halls to do so into the world to make the same kinda dent ...again check my calcs but how it seems to me at this point in time.
September 04, 2016, 10:23:26 AM
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@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
When did they originally "tell us" they would push into October? I haven't seen that on the website, rather it said August from the July 1st update.
"Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html
They "originally" said June/July on their March 30th announcement.
"Mass produced A4 ASIC/Miners will be available in June/July 2016 based on pre-order sequence."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.html
The original inference was clear - early pre-orders would start in June and pre-order sequence would have later orders shipping in July.
You find yourself hoping that perhaps they've already made them and are "burning them in" in a big data hall for QC but LTC hash rate shows nothing interesting happening.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/assets/difficulty/litecoin-hash_rate.png?1472935868
Speaking of hash rates, would it be reasonable to expect the hash rate to increase say 10x? Coz the A4 will not only be spun up by the pre-orders here but by the partners and their farms as well I'd imagine.....
There's currently ~ 3500GH of scrypt (using coinwarz as an estimator) composed primarily of LTC, DOGE and Viacoin. That number is most likely a little low as not all coins are reporting on coinwarz.
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=9460.00&sha256p=2600.00&sha256pc=0.1000&sha256c=false&scrypthr=5000000.00&scryptp=17000.00&scryptpc=0.0830&scryptc=true&x11hr=34400.00&x11p=600.00&x11pc=0.1000&x11c=false&keccakhr=1000.00&keccakp=600.00&keccakpc=0.1000&keccakc=false&quarkhr=20000.00&quarkp=600.00&quarkpc=0.1000&quarkc=false&groestlhr=45.00&groestlp=825.00&groestlpc=0.1000&groestlc=false&blake256hr=11.20&blake256p=600.00&blake256pc=0.1000&blake256c=false&neoscrypthr=400.00&neoscryptp=400.00&neoscryptpc=0.1000&neoscryptc=false&lyra2rev2hr=30.00&lyra2rev2p=600.00&lyra2rev2pc=0.1000&lyra2rev2c=false&cryptonighthr=1950.00&cryptonightp=750.00&cryptonightpc=0.1000&cryptonightc=falseðashhr=108.00ðashp=600.00ðashpc=0.1000ðashc=false&e=CEX.io
To double the entire existing scrypt network hashrate, at 280MH per A4 Dominator, Innosilicon would need to ship ~12,500 units.
September 04, 2016, 04:00:46 AM
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@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
When did they originally "tell us" they would push into October? I haven't seen that on the website, rather it said August from the July 1st update.
"Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html
They "originally" said June/July on their March 30th announcement.
"Mass produced A4 ASIC/Miners will be available in June/July 2016 based on pre-order sequence."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.html
The original inference was clear - early pre-orders would start in June and pre-order sequence would have later orders shipping in July.
You find yourself hoping that perhaps they've already made them and are "burning them in" in a big data hall for QC but LTC hash rate shows nothing interesting happening.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/assets/difficulty/litecoin-hash_rate.png?1472935868
Speaking of hash rates, would it be reasonable to expect the hash rate to increase say 10x? Coz the A4 will not only be spun up by the pre-orders here but by the partners and their farms as well I'd imagine.....
September 03, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
The first pre-order window they gave us was Sept-Oct. Then they revised it a few weeks later roughly to say Aug-Sept. So it appears to me their first estimate of ship dates was probably more accurate.
September 03, 2016, 04:11:39 PM
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@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
When did they originally "tell us" they would push into October? I haven't seen that on the website, rather it said August from the July 1st update.
"Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html
They "originally" said June/July on their March 30th announcement.
"Mass produced A4 ASIC/Miners will be available in June/July 2016 based on pre-order sequence."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.html
The original inference was clear - early pre-orders would start in June and pre-order sequence would have later orders shipping in July.
You find yourself hoping that perhaps they've already made them and are "burning them in" in a big data hall for QC but LTC hash rate shows nothing interesting happening.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/assets/difficulty/litecoin-hash_rate.png?1472935868
truth :/ :/
i thought they started taking money for these in 2015 even?!? not even a prototype is concerning... then again they told OP they would grace presence here 30+ days ago.. (sorry if i missed it)
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/11.html
September 03, 2016, 03:36:02 PM
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@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
When did they originally "tell us" they would push into October? I haven't seen that on the website, rather it said August from the July 1st update.
"Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html
They "originally" said June/July on their March 30th announcement.
"Mass produced A4 ASIC/Miners will be available in June/July 2016 based on pre-order sequence."
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.html
The original inference was clear - early pre-orders would start in June and pre-order sequence would have later orders shipping in July.
You find yourself hoping that perhaps they've already made them and are "burning them in" in a big data hall for QC but LTC hash rate shows nothing interesting happening.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/assets/difficulty/litecoin-hash_rate.png?1472935868
September 01, 2016, 05:13:51 PM
I setup a very basic google spreadsheet, if anyone is interested, feel free to add your info.
Innosilicon A4 Orders: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdG8OCo-A1B7fQxZQsTrPApbcqCT9WqhQsDTTLI8nes/pubhtml
Innosilicon A4 Orders: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdG8OCo-A1B7fQxZQsTrPApbcqCT9WqhQsDTTLI8nes/pubhtml
It doesn't appear I have access to edit that file. My Invoice date from Inno is 7/15/2016
September 01, 2016, 02:36:18 PM
I setup a very basic google spreadsheet, if anyone is interested, feel free to add your info.
Innosilicon A4 Orders: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdG8OCo-A1B7fQxZQsTrPApbcqCT9WqhQsDTTLI8nes/pubhtml
Innosilicon A4 Orders: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdG8OCo-A1B7fQxZQsTrPApbcqCT9WqhQsDTTLI8nes/pubhtml
September 01, 2016, 02:24:09 PM
Are the buyers here open to creating a list of what was ordered when?
It's been done in other threads, but I understand if folks are not willing to share that info.
It's been done in other threads, but I understand if folks are not willing to share that info.
I personally don't mind.
September 01, 2016, 01:56:57 PM
Are the buyers here open to creating a list of what was ordered when?
It's been done in other threads, but I understand if folks are not willing to share that info.
It's been done in other threads, but I understand if folks are not willing to share that info.
September 01, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
We don't know if there were any large orders either. Only thing I know is usao you are ahead of me in the queue based on paid date 
September 01, 2016, 01:39:30 PM
Yea, im just waiting to get ANY news from Inno at this point.
There has been no indication of where anyones order lies in the queue.
I have no idea if im in the front or the back of the line.
There has been no indication of where anyones order lies in the queue.
I have no idea if im in the front or the back of the line.
September 01, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
It would be nice if they gave us a window of opportunity to mine before filling new orders. That was implied in the original announcement, but of course nothing in writing that states we will be given that opportunity before they start taking orders.
I think we will know what our lead time might be if we see Zoomhash and others start listing the A4 for sale about the time we start to get our orders shipped. I am sure the big distributors are chomping at the bit to get miners hashing and product to ship.
I think we will know what our lead time might be if we see Zoomhash and others start listing the A4 for sale about the time we start to get our orders shipped. I am sure the big distributors are chomping at the bit to get miners hashing and product to ship.
August 31, 2016, 10:27:34 PM
i'm alright with initial funding but i just hope they don't go KNC way by screwing its early supporters. if they could give preorder buyers at least 2 months to hash before flooding the market now that would be noble but we all know its probably not going to happen.
When all these companies say "not late if by 1 month", I always take that to mean that's the real date. So, I was always planning on the end of Sept, never expected to see anything in Aug.
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me that much, since I already had that timing baked into my plans...
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
I think they used the funding to build out their 14nm production which goes across other product lines so they basically received their venture capital from us to retool their product line. What it means for the timeline on the A4, well like usual production delays are just a thing to be expected with miners.
Why would they need capital to retool their product line? Shouldn't they be well funded with their own investors. So what you are saying is that Innosilicon has no other source of funds other than the mining community to expand their production line? This kind of bs makes me very nervous.
Isn't this the kind of stuff these companies and people do? Use other peoples money? Why risk your own if you can convince others to do it? This is just my own speculation on one of the reasons they went the pre-order and partner route this time.
this is starting to look a like big fuck up now. first they promise demo and then lure buyers with august delivery by deliberately moving to mid/end of september since that stupid clause allows them to be late by a month. i won't be surprised if that also changes to october due to some technical problems when its actually financial problems. all the privilege of having preorder just went down the drain cause we should've had machines on hand in mid september and already hashing by now.
When all these companies say "not late if by 1 month", I always take that to mean that's the real date. So, I was always planning on the end of Sept, never expected to see anything in Aug.
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me that much, since I already had that timing baked into my plans...
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
I think they used the funding to build out their 14nm production which goes across other product lines so they basically received their venture capital from us to retool their product line. What it means for the timeline on the A4, well like usual production delays are just a thing to be expected with miners.
Why would they need capital to retool their product line? Shouldn't they be well funded with their own investors. So what you are saying is that Innosilicon has no other source of funds other than the mining community to expand their production line? This kind of bs makes me very nervous.
Isn't this the kind of stuff these companies and people do? Use other peoples money? Why risk your own if you can convince others to do it? This is just my own speculation on one of the reasons they went the pre-order and partner route this time.
August 31, 2016, 01:49:24 PM
this is starting to look a like big fuck up now. first they promise demo and then lure buyers with august delivery by deliberately moving to mid/end of september since that stupid clause allows them to be late by a month. i won't be surprised if that also changes to october due to some technical problems when its actually financial problems. all the privilege of having preorder just went down the drain cause we should've had machines on hand in mid september and already hashing by now.
When all these companies say "not late if by 1 month", I always take that to mean that's the real date. So, I was always planning on the end of Sept, never expected to see anything in Aug.
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me that much, since I already had that timing baked into my plans...
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
I think they used the funding to build out their 14nm production which goes across other product lines so they basically received their venture capital from us to retool their product line. What it means for the timeline on the A4, well like usual production delays are just a thing to be expected with miners.
Why would they need capital to retool their product line? Shouldn't they be well funded with their own investors. So what you are saying is that Innosilicon has no other source of funds other than the mining community to expand their production line? This kind of bs makes me very nervous.
Isn't this the kind of stuff these companies and people do? Use other peoples money? Why risk your own if you can convince others to do it? This is just my own speculation on one of the reasons they went the pre-order and partner route this time.
August 31, 2016, 01:34:45 PM
this is starting to look a like big fuck up now. first they promise demo and then lure buyers with august delivery by deliberately moving to mid/end of september since that stupid clause allows them to be late by a month. i won't be surprised if that also changes to october due to some technical problems when its actually financial problems. all the privilege of having preorder just went down the drain cause we should've had machines on hand in mid september and already hashing by now.
When all these companies say "not late if by 1 month", I always take that to mean that's the real date. So, I was always planning on the end of Sept, never expected to see anything in Aug.
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me that much, since I already had that timing baked into my plans...
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
I think they used the funding to build out their 14nm production which goes across other product lines so they basically received their venture capital from us to retool their product line. What it means for the timeline on the A4, well like usual production delays are just a thing to be expected with miners.
Why would they need capital to retool their product line? Shouldn't they be well funded with their own investors. So what you are saying is that Innosilicon has no other source of funds other than the mining community to expand their production line? This kind of bs makes me very nervous.
August 31, 2016, 01:17:24 PM
Looks to be an interesting Mining unit. But if wire transfer is the only payment method. I'm going to have to pass. Not sure why you wouldn't take CC, other vendors have..
August 31, 2016, 11:53:14 AM
this is starting to look a like big fuck up now. first they promise demo and then lure buyers with august delivery by deliberately moving to mid/end of september since that stupid clause allows them to be late by a month. i won't be surprised if that also changes to october due to some technical problems when its actually financial problems. all the privilege of having preorder just went down the drain cause we should've had machines on hand in mid september and already hashing by now.
When all these companies say "not late if by 1 month", I always take that to mean that's the real date. So, I was always planning on the end of Sept, never expected to see anything in Aug.
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me that much, since I already had that timing baked into my plans...
@usao Agreed, I didn't expect them to make August, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get pushed into October like they originally told us and then moved the dates forward. So I am not too concerned yet.
I think they used the funding to build out their 14nm production which goes across other product lines so they basically received their venture capital from us to retool their product line. What it means for the timeline on the A4, well like usual production delays are just a thing to be expected with miners.
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