Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 59. (Read 122571 times)

 so everyones going Bitmain chassis design..... I hope Inno's quality control is better than awful Bitmain.

Ok, So I received an update from Inno regarding the A4.  They are running a little behind schedule.  Here is what they sent me and we have some pictures if I can figure out how to post them here.  Overall this isn't too terribly unexpected, and I am asking for more details regarding the miner, the better than expected performance etc.  I will post more as soon as I hear more from Inno.

4 days and counting....

Waiting a bit longer is not the worst. Somehow people have a lot of trust that Inno does not close shop and walk away. Can't happen you say. Take a good look a the crypto mining landscape and you will see the bodies of many dead companies.  What is to stop them from starting up a new company with the capital provided by investors in the A4. They get a 14nm fab plant at zero cost and they keep the A4 design to build and create their own private mine. Nothing they have said inspires confidence in me.

With the lack and information and all eyes turn to the countdown. Like they say, hope for the best, plan for the worst. The worst being waiting a bit longer.

Well no change on the main site

http://innosilicon.com/

and no change on the page about the A4

http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html


The A4 14nm chip video (takes forever to load)

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTYwMTEwMTcyNA==.html?qq-pf-to=pcqq.c2c

And last but not least Innsilicon's main thread here on bitcointalk...also kinda bare in details

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/innosilicons-a4-dominator-12wmhs-14nm-asic-and-miner-open-for-partners-1251930



Just saying it does look 'lite' for only 5 supposed days left (more or less).. the lack of info points to a delay at best of a month or more imho....

5 days left until the moment of truth.....

Stay tuned..

Actually this situation reminds me of the story of the emperor's new clothes. Everyone wanted to believe that he had on the finest set of clothes but no one was willing to speak the truth that he had no clothes on except for a child.

I saw in one of the Star Trek movies from way back in the day Scottie cooked up some transparent aluminum to build a tank to save some whales.... He had to use a "quaint" "mouse", but he got it done... 

Now I am starting to think that Inno is so ahead of the times with the A4 that they have built the new A4's from transparent aluminum which is really hard to get on video so they have been delayed in making the video, but I hear they have some whales picked out that they are going to save as a side project...

Now if I can just get my A4's with a tractor beam option and that Romulan cloaking device I would be set... Apparently those are not options in the first batch of A4's... 

At this point nothing about  Innosilicon surprises me. No video yet? How hard is it to make a video on your iphone and post it? Only hard if you don't have anything to video.

I have decided to stop chasing this new miner and invested in more GPU rigs and increase my X11 miners instead and avoid missing some of the hot alt coins now.

My original plan was to grow my A2 hash but if the A4 is not even ready yet, I can't put the funds to work by just keeping it in a hole.

Looking forward to the new A4, until then adios muchacos - will drop in thread from time to time to check on the A4.

from clueless to escrow service provider.

still requires clarification of the obvious...

...

profit?

clarify?

Estimated Next Difficulty:   53,241 (-3.12%)
Innosilicon has no A4 

What exactly is meant by a LTC pump? I know the meaning is to inflate the price of LTC but how? A group of ppl in "the know" buying heaps of LTC?

The name and email address for Chloe are also on the Innosilicon's web site.  That is how we contacted them was through the companies web site.

I thought they quoted shipping end of Sept with max delay of 1 month so that would put them end of Oct before they are late.  I am holding off judging them until more details about the A4 come out. Holding my breath waiting for this video.  I do find it odd that we have to get second hand info from forum members who are communicating with Chloe. For all we know this is not even her real name.

Guys, the basic ROI calculation used by these online calculators is very shortsighted way of looking at this. If you were buying machinery for a factory, you'd typically be spreading the cost over a number of years. Also you're forgetting the residual value. After 2 years I sold my A2 mini's for more than 50% of what I paid for them :-).  So try your ROI using the cost minus a reasonable residual.

Then, forget about LTC as the way to generate income. If you look at poolpicker.eu you'll see that Nicehash and LTCRabbit have been paying out an average of 0.000075 BTC/MHS per day for the last 60 days (I track it), and Zpool has been paying out 0.00009 BTC/MHS over the same time. With BTC at $600, that's $12.60 and $15.12 per day respectively.

Now if you take the $2150 and use a conservative 1 yr residual of 50% (value if sold after 1 year) your ROI is (50% x 2150)/12.60 = 85 days, or (50% x 2150)/$15.12 = 71 days if you mine on Zpool.

As for the shipping, Inno said 'starts August with max delay of 1 month'. We're still in that 1 month delay period so they haven't defaulted yet, but I'm also very disappointed in the lack of communication from them.

This warranty issue could be mitigated if they used distributors around the world.  

For instance in the US, if Zoomhash re-started their relationship and did the RMA/warranty on behalf of the customer and bypassed Innosilicon itself in China, that would take so much risk out of the equation for the consumer.

Yep the only reason I may still get one of these is I got 7 titans (new) this year from a default (1 the 4 cube orig) and 6 (knc liguidation) at 1900 bucks each

thus If I got ONE A4 that would be spread out as risk among all (in my feeble mine anyway) and put my risk at about say $1925 per unit ave price for all ..bot Titans and A4's

thus only way I may do this is IF I think LTC may pump.....and/or get stable timeline from these guys on the A4

the anon optional transaction (private) they are talking about adding to LTC is interesting...so the question is do I think there will be a pump for LTC and if so will it be enough

to be oranges to oranges and keep price of LTC enough to justify this

so thus yet another bet....

lastly ...the main rub I have ..besides if it ever shows up as a demo...is the 45 day warranty ..yech.........so probably not

but likely for those imho who ordered even if late..I expect a BTC pump and LTC pump to keep up ...so I'd bet the real ROI date in the future will be about 9-10 months rather then a
bit more then 1 year at these prices...anyway my guess

could be worse they could have had a demo and fancy video ...and being the asic slut I am the tempatation would have been 'too much' and I'd have already ordered one

but again I suspect all will be OK for those in the group buy.should the unit work as advertised and again imho you will ROI in 9-10 months with (imho) expeced btc and then ltc pump

knock wood