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Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 59. (Read 122577 times)

legendary
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Ok, So I received an update from Inno regarding the A4.  They are running a little behind schedule.  Here is what they sent me and we have some pictures if I can figure out how to post them here.  Overall this isn't too terribly unexpected, and I am asking for more details regarding the miner, the better than expected performance etc.  I will post more as soon as I hear more from Inno.

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I have a good news and bad news about A4.
 
Good news is that the mass production of A4 wafers went smoothly and the performance is even better than we expected. Bad news is that the Assembly house was not prepared enough to meet our schedule, and the qualification took a little longer. Fortunately the issue was solved and the condition is still under control. Currently we have some sample miners ready. Attached are pictures of our sample miner.
 
The estimated shipping date is Oct 15th due to the National holiday from Oct 1st to 7th.
 
From a design of ASIC to a complete miner, there are many processes to go. Unexpected things may happen in each process and that's why we declared one month delay. For now most processes went well, and our sample miners’ performance is beyond our expectation. All we want is to select the most profitable yet reliable solution for our customers.
 
Really hope that you can understand and give us more patience.



 so everyones going Bitmain chassis design..... I hope Inno's quality control is better than awful Bitmain.
hero member
Activity: 868
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Ok, So I received an update from Inno regarding the A4.  They are running a little behind schedule.  Here is what they sent me and we have some pictures if I can figure out how to post them here.  Overall this isn't too terribly unexpected, and I am asking for more details regarding the miner, the better than expected performance etc.  I will post more as soon as I hear more from Inno.

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I have a good news and bad news about A4.
 
Good news is that the mass production of A4 wafers went smoothly and the performance is even better than we expected. Bad news is that the Assembly house was not prepared enough to meet our schedule, and the qualification took a little longer. Fortunately the issue was solved and the condition is still under control. Currently we have some sample miners ready. Attached are pictures of our sample miner.
 
The estimated shipping date is Oct 15th due to the National holiday from Oct 1st to 7th.
 
From a design of ASIC to a complete miner, there are many processes to go. Unexpected things may happen in each process and that's why we declared one month delay. For now most processes went well, and our sample miners’ performance is beyond our expectation. All we want is to select the most profitable yet reliable solution for our customers.
 
Really hope that you can understand and give us more patience.


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4 days and counting....
sr. member
Activity: 407
Merit: 255
With the lack and information and all eyes turn to the countdown. Like they say, hope for the best, plan for the worst. The worst being waiting a bit longer.


Waiting a bit longer is not the worst. Somehow people have a lot of trust that Inno does not close shop and walk away. Can't happen you say. Take a good look a the crypto mining landscape and you will see the bodies of many dead companies.  What is to stop them from starting up a new company with the capital provided by investors in the A4. They get a 14nm fab plant at zero cost and they keep the A4 design to build and create their own private mine. Nothing they have said inspires confidence in me.
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With the lack and information and all eyes turn to the countdown. Like they say, hope for the best, plan for the worst. The worst being waiting a bit longer.
copper member
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Clueless!
5 days left until the moment of truth.....

Stay tuned.


Well no change on the main site

http://innosilicon.com/

and no change on the page about the A4

http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.html


The A4 14nm chip video (takes forever to load)

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTYwMTEwMTcyNA==.html?qq-pf-to=pcqq.c2c

And last but not least Innsilicon's main thread here on bitcointalk...also kinda bare in details

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/innosilicons-a4-dominator-12wmhs-14nm-asic-and-miner-open-for-partners-1251930



Just saying it does look 'lite' for only 5 supposed days left (more or less).. the lack of info points to a delay at best of a month or more imho....




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5 days left until the moment of truth.....

Stay tuned..
sr. member
Activity: 407
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Actually this situation reminds me of the story of the emperor's new clothes. Everyone wanted to believe that he had on the finest set of clothes but no one was willing to speak the truth that he had no clothes on except for a child.
hero member
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I saw in one of the Star Trek movies from way back in the day Scottie cooked up some transparent aluminum to build a tank to save some whales.... He had to use a "quaint" "mouse", but he got it done... 

Now I am starting to think that Inno is so ahead of the times with the A4 that they have built the new A4's from transparent aluminum which is really hard to get on video so they have been delayed in making the video, but I hear they have some whales picked out that they are going to save as a side project...

Now if I can just get my A4's with a tractor beam option and that Romulan cloaking device I would be set... Apparently those are not options in the first batch of A4's...  Tongue Shocked Grin Cheesy
sr. member
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At this point nothing about  Innosilicon surprises me. No video yet? How hard is it to make a video on your iphone and post it? Only hard if you don't have anything to video.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
I have decided to stop chasing this new miner and invested in more GPU rigs and increase my X11 miners instead and avoid missing some of the hot alt coins now.

My original plan was to grow my A2 hash but if the A4 is not even ready yet, I can't put the funds to work by just keeping it in a hole.

Looking forward to the new A4, until then adios muchacos - will drop in thread from time to time to check on the A4.

legendary
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from clueless to escrow service provider.

still requires clarification of the obvious...

...

profit?



copper member
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Clueless!
Estimated Next Difficulty:   53,241 (-3.12%)
Innosilicon has no A4  Smiley


clarify?
legendary
Activity: 1386
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Estimated Next Difficulty:   53,241 (-3.12%)
Innosilicon has no A4  Smiley
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What exactly is meant by a LTC pump? I know the meaning is to inflate the price of LTC but how? A group of ppl in "the know" buying heaps of LTC?

......i have ROI'd AGAIN on my A2's in the time this BS has been going on ;p course once you guys GET your A4, you should catch up quickly Smiley

A little sarcasm? If LTC was at $4 today and you turned the machine on, you would likely not ROI until July 2017 (LTC baseline).  That assumes the same stability of difficulty we've enjoyed for the last year.  With a flood of new A4s, difficulty will jump up across all coins so it'll be interesting.  I'm assuming the base unit is $1800, $150 shipping, and $200 for a EVGA 1300 PSU with power at $0.10 with an average difficulty increase of 0.1%.  I would call this the BEST case scenario.


http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-09-20&costperunit=2150&wattperhour=1000&gigahazarate=280000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=1&diffincrement=0.1&bitcoinperdollar=4&electriccostinput=.1&begindifflevel=54344


Yep the only reason I may still get one of these is I got 7 titans (new) this year from a default (1 the 4 cube orig) and 6 (knc liguidation) at 1900 bucks each

thus If I got ONE A4 that would be spread out as risk among all (in my feeble mine anyway) and put my risk at about say $1925 per unit ave price for all ..bot Titans and A4's

thus only way I may do this is IF I think LTC may pump.....and/or get stable timeline from these guys on the A4

the anon optional transaction (private) they are talking about adding to LTC is interesting...so the question is do I think there will be a pump for LTC and if so will it be enough

to be oranges to oranges and keep price of LTC enough to justify this

so thus yet another bet....

lastly ...the main rub I have ..besides if it ever shows up as a demo...is the 45 day warranty ..yech.........so probably not

but likely for those imho who ordered even if late..I expect a BTC pump and LTC pump to keep up ...so I'd bet the real ROI date in the future will be about 9-10 months rather then a
bit more then 1 year at these prices...anyway my guess

could be worse they could have had a demo and fancy video ...and being the asic slut I am the tempatation would have been 'too much' and I'd have already ordered one

but again I suspect all will be OK for those in the group buy.should the unit work as advertised and again imho you will ROI in 9-10 months with (imho) expeced btc and then ltc pump

knock wood

hero member
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The name and email address for Chloe are also on the Innosilicon's web site.  That is how we contacted them was through the companies web site.
sr. member
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......i have ROI'd AGAIN on my A2's in the time this BS has been going on ;p course once you guys GET your A4, you should catch up quickly Smiley

A little sarcasm? If LTC was at $4 today and you turned the machine on, you would likely not ROI until July 2017 (LTC baseline).  That assumes the same stability of difficulty we've enjoyed for the last year.  With a flood of new A4s, difficulty will jump up across all coins so it'll be interesting.  I'm assuming the base unit is $1800, $150 shipping, and $200 for a EVGA 1300 PSU with power at $0.10 with an average difficulty increase of 0.1%.  I would call this the BEST case scenario.

http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-09-20&costperunit=2150&wattperhour=1000&gigahazarate=280000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=1&diffincrement=0.1&bitcoinperdollar=4&electriccostinput=.1&begindifflevel=54344

Guys, the basic ROI calculation used by these online calculators is very shortsighted way of looking at this. If you were buying machinery for a factory, you'd typically be spreading the cost over a number of years. Also you're forgetting the residual value. After 2 years I sold my A2 mini's for more than 50% of what I paid for them :-).  So try your ROI using the cost minus a reasonable residual.

Then, forget about LTC as the way to generate income. If you look at poolpicker.eu you'll see that Nicehash and LTCRabbit have been paying out an average of 0.000075 BTC/MHS per day for the last 60 days (I track it), and Zpool has been paying out 0.00009 BTC/MHS over the same time. With BTC at $600, that's $12.60 and $15.12 per day respectively.

Now if you take the $2150 and use a conservative 1 yr residual of 50% (value if sold after 1 year) your ROI is (50% x 2150)/12.60 = 85 days, or (50% x 2150)/$15.12 = 71 days if you mine on Zpool.

As for the shipping, Inno said 'starts August with max delay of 1 month'. We're still in that 1 month delay period so they haven't defaulted yet, but I'm also very disappointed in the lack of communication from them.

I thought they quoted shipping end of Sept with max delay of 1 month so that would put them end of Oct before they are late.  I am holding off judging them until more details about the A4 come out. Holding my breath waiting for this video.  I do find it odd that we have to get second hand info from forum members who are communicating with Chloe. For all we know this is not even her real name.
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......i have ROI'd AGAIN on my A2's in the time this BS has been going on ;p course once you guys GET your A4, you should catch up quickly Smiley

A little sarcasm? If LTC was at $4 today and you turned the machine on, you would likely not ROI until July 2017 (LTC baseline).  That assumes the same stability of difficulty we've enjoyed for the last year.  With a flood of new A4s, difficulty will jump up across all coins so it'll be interesting.  I'm assuming the base unit is $1800, $150 shipping, and $200 for a EVGA 1300 PSU with power at $0.10 with an average difficulty increase of 0.1%.  I would call this the BEST case scenario.

http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-09-20&costperunit=2150&wattperhour=1000&gigahazarate=280000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=1&diffincrement=0.1&bitcoinperdollar=4&electriccostinput=.1&begindifflevel=54344

Guys, the basic ROI calculation used by these online calculators is very shortsighted way of looking at this. If you were buying machinery for a factory, you'd typically be spreading the cost over a number of years. Also you're forgetting the residual value. After 2 years I sold my A2 mini's for more than 50% of what I paid for them :-).  So try your ROI using the cost minus a reasonable residual.

Then, forget about LTC as the way to generate income. If you look at poolpicker.eu you'll see that Nicehash and LTCRabbit have been paying out an average of 0.000075 BTC/MHS per day for the last 60 days (I track it), and Zpool has been paying out 0.00009 BTC/MHS over the same time. With BTC at $600, that's $12.60 and $15.12 per day respectively.

Now if you take the $2150 and use a conservative 1 yr residual of 50% (value if sold after 1 year) your ROI is (50% x 2150)/12.60 = 85 days, or (50% x 2150)/$15.12 = 71 days if you mine on Zpool.

As for the shipping, Inno said 'starts August with max delay of 1 month'. We're still in that 1 month delay period so they haven't defaulted yet, but I'm also very disappointed in the lack of communication from them.
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lastly ...the main rub I have ..besides if it ever shows up as a demo...is the 45 day warranty ..yech.........so probably not


This warranty issue could be mitigated if they used distributors around the world.  

For instance in the US, if Zoomhash re-started their relationship and did the RMA/warranty on behalf of the customer and bypassed Innosilicon itself in China, that would take so much risk out of the equation for the consumer.
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Clueless!
......i have ROI'd AGAIN on my A2's in the time this BS has been going on ;p course once you guys GET your A4, you should catch up quickly Smiley

A little sarcasm? If LTC was at $4 today and you turned the machine on, you would likely not ROI until July 2017 (LTC baseline).  That assumes the same stability of difficulty we've enjoyed for the last year.  With a flood of new A4s, difficulty will jump up across all coins so it'll be interesting.  I'm assuming the base unit is $1800, $150 shipping, and $200 for a EVGA 1300 PSU with power at $0.10 with an average difficulty increase of 0.1%.  I would call this the BEST case scenario.


http://www.vnbitcoin.org/detailcalculationltc.php?name=LiteCoin_Mining_Rig&startdate=2016-09-20&costperunit=2150&wattperhour=1000&gigahazarate=280000&daytoincrease=3&testlopfirst=1&diffincrement=0.1&bitcoinperdollar=4&electriccostinput=.1&begindifflevel=54344


Yep the only reason I may still get one of these is I got 7 titans (new) this year from a default (1 the 4 cube orig) and 6 (knc liguidation) at 1900 bucks each

thus If I got ONE A4 that would be spread out as risk among all (in my feeble mine anyway) and put my risk at about say $1925 per unit ave price for all ..bot Titans and A4's

thus only way I may do this is IF I think LTC may pump.....and/or get stable timeline from these guys on the A4

the anon optional transaction (private) they are talking about adding to LTC is interesting...so the question is do I think there will be a pump for LTC and if so will it be enough

to be oranges to oranges and keep price of LTC enough to justify this

so thus yet another bet....

lastly ...the main rub I have ..besides if it ever shows up as a demo...is the 45 day warranty ..yech.........so probably not

but likely for those imho who ordered even if late..I expect a BTC pump and LTC pump to keep up ...so I'd bet the real ROI date in the future will be about 9-10 months rather then a
bit more then 1 year at these prices...anyway my guess

could be worse they could have had a demo and fancy video ...and being the asic slut I am the tempatation would have been 'too much' and I'd have already ordered one

but again I suspect all will be OK for those in the group buy.should the unit work as advertised and again imho you will ROI in 9-10 months with (imho) expeced btc and then ltc pump

knock wood
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