Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 69. (Read 122577 times)

The group pre-buy is $1800 per unit +shipping and any duties that might be added.  If your buying 3 or more you can have them shipped to whatever address you specify.  If you want to buy less than 3 you will need to group your order with someone else to make the minimum order of 3 for the pre-buy group buy.  If you do a group buy then you will still need to pay shipping from the group buy destination to your location.

You can estimate your own shipping rates WW here from Shenzen. These numbers were almost exactly the same as quoted by Innosilicon.
http://safestmonster.com/kbase/shipping-delivery/dhl-rate.html\

If you're UK, the shipping rate per unit of 11KGs was ~$100, so a pack of three would be USD$300 (?)

What is the usual shipping price they'll be asking do you know?

I might have misinterpreted some things ya said but is that 700 USD figure how much for you to ship to me per unit etc... ?

The 1800 price you talked about is that Landed at your house including Customs or the price u pay @ the factory (inlc shipping) ?

how much MH will it deliver in turbo mode ?

Just me for escrow I guess.  But does not apply in this as I THINK you pay individual units via wire xfer they ship 3 to an address postal only though to qualify as a group buy

In states i.e. USA such less then say 3 lots with say 3 folk could be sent to me as a relay

Ask the OP on this thread how I think the payment works

But again me playing relay to Europe is like I know over 700 usd

So that I a cant help with shipping is prob too insane

Shippings bad $?

there any safe way to reduce this like you say... tailgating another shipment etc... any escrow style assurances available bud?

If someone wants to get an A4 in Europe it would be best if you can tailgate on someone else's order or arrange for the group shipment in the EU.  Otherwise like Searing said the shipping is insane.

At the lower power settings it hashes at a lower rate. 

Can someone explain me this:

Power efficiency: Initial batch will be defaulted at 3.2W/Mhs in Turbo mode, 2.2W/Mhs in Norminal mode, and 1.35W/Mhs in ultra low power mode

So default is 280mhs and 896W, but whats goin on if i use ultra low power mode? 378W at 280MHS? It make no sense.

Got a guy looking for ONE unit but in Europe. For me to ship an A4 to Europe if it came here first (bundled it goes to me I guess) it would be about 736 usd to do so
or at least the going rate for a 42 lb package to USA from Sweden (had the liquidation sale but their knc stuff was under volume yet or 150 per unit)

so if about the same weight I'm no help on this

anyway someone short 1 unit to make a 3 batch to someone you all agree on to have it shipped to in Europe let me know I'll send him your way

coming here first then to Europe should not only be dumb it would really really suck for a relay price UPS from me to Europe of around 700 bucks a box

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Seems like you also get a refund if it can't hash at the advertised rate, which is certain given the current definitions from Innosilicon.
This combined with the not having to return feature, means you could get a free miner.

It's definitely a pre-order for the A4.  Amusing they're repurposing an old URL.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-arrival-Zeus-Scrypt-Miner-All-Solution-Litecoin-Miner-300M-digging-Litecoin-with-power-supply-send/227686_2048732975.html

Now this is interesting.
Return Policy:
Returns accepted if product not as described, seller pays return shipping; or keep the product & agree refund with seller. View details
Seller Guarantees:
On-time Delivery
23 days

Depending on how you interpret this, Aliexpress is guaranteeing a refund if this isn't delivered on time, which is 23 days from today.  

I suspect that add on aliexpress was a PREORDER for the A4 - some of the EARLY info out of Innosilicon was estimating performance might be in that range.

 If they had gone with the old A2 form factor, and put enough chips into such a large box running at one of the more efficient points the chip is capable of, they potentially still COULD get to 480MH/s at 1200 watts ballpark - but the price from Innosilicon would probably be closer to $5000/unit for such a unit due to the MUCH higher chipcount.

Well heck. 2 of the A4's will do better than that (560 MHs) for $3.6k

I saw a device advertised on Aliexpress that claimed to do 480 MH @ 1200watts . they where asking 4.2k for it I assumed it was a scam so I didn't buy.
These devices are getting close to that range.
Where are the pickup points are there any in Europe as well ? I'm assuming you guys are in the states also after the 1800 usd do I still have to pay import taxes ? (I'm in Holland)

when I enter "480 m ltc mining scrypt miner" in google I still see the link for the 480mh but it now links to this device and they are asking 3k for it.
Pictures and everything are exacly the same as the 480mh was.

The registrant from whois for the domain name translates as "Dynamic Technology Co., Ltd. Wuhan Xin" from Google translate and "Wuhan core technology limited" from Bing translator.

If I google the registrant name, I come up with a listing for ~20 open jobs at Innosilicon.
http://jobs.51job.com/all/co2388337.html

I also emailed Chloe asking for an electronic copy of the 45-day warranty so we know EXACTLY what's covered.

I know that when they first announced the A4 I immediately sent them an email and I received a reply back that they weren't ready, and to check back with them later.  So about a month later I think it was I saw some updates from Inno here on the forum and an update on the web page so I emailed them again and again they said they weren't ready, but to check back.  Then they posted one more time and I emailed them about this group buy idea and then they were ready to talk about the A4 at that point. 

So I do suspect if it was a scam they would have just tried to take our money as soon as they started making the announcements.  They really had no reason to push me off and not just take the orders and money.  But I do think your concerns are very much spot on given the nature of "all things crypto" and the past. 

But I just did a nslookup and a whois:

Domain Name: innosilicon.com.cn
ROID: 20061003s10011s80070253-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: hc865554231-cn
Registrant: 武汉芯动科技有限公司
Registrant Contact Email: [email protected]
Sponsoring Registrar: 阿里云计算有限公司（万网）
Name Server: dns11.hichina.com
Name Server: dns12.hichina.com
Registration Time: 2006-10-03 21:24:14
Expiration Time: 2016-10-03 21:24:14
DNSSEC: unsigned
related domain names

innosilicon.com hichina.com

So this looks like it is correct, but I will defer to others with more experience than I do tracking things like this down. 

Do you want me to ask about getting you a visit at their facility and passing along your email address? I know I asked about it earlier and they said you can visit their facilities, but that was as far as it went.  You want me to pass along your contact info to make sure to look for your email?

I was curious more to see if they had a dedicated IP address.  That gives a little more credibility. 

But since they are using cell phones for office #'s -- then they are probably using a free email service.

Might not mean much if they are running in a cloud.