Topic: A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 68. (Read 122577 times)

I don't know that we have really touched on this topic in this thread, but something to keep in the back of your mind is the fact that this pre-order was at a steeply discounted price.  It would not surprise me in the least if the retail A4 sells for more like $8-$10 a MH.  If you look at the prices you can still get for a Titan(if you can find one that is in good working condition) it appears clear that the cost per MH for a good Titan is still well within the $8-$10 per MH range and I really doubt we will see that change with the A4.

So if your sitting on the fence about getting a A4 I would seriously give that some thought.  I think at this pre-order price we can get ROI, but at $10 per MH that math starts to get tougher.   I think $1800 per A4 is going to look like a bargain and some of you might to start kicking yourself for not taking the risk.

The reason I bring this up is that I am hoping to be able to add a couple more A4's by the end of the year to my existing pre-buy order, but then I started chewing on the numbers and realized I was making a bad assumption that we would be able to buy more A4's for this pre-buy price.  The market is still up in the $8-$10 a MH range so that would mean quite a bit higher cost for my additional miners. 

So that changes my planning going forward.  I thought I would mention it to you guys because I think my brain was connecting the dots for additional A4's at this preorder price, and I don't think that is likely for some time.  Once these pre-buy unit start to ship I think we will be glad we made the purchase at these prices.

as getting 6 nos knc 400mh 5 cube titans  as my share for 1900 each with shipping I can state my guesses

1) knc kept it quiet so they could get the titans back they were mining in the data hall..ie caught by surprise by higher ups bankruptcy annoucnement imho
..thus with cameras/security/liens etc
   only way to get the equip back was to bid on it..thus why the no info on coindesk (sam cole gets on there all the time) no info on their Swedish
   asic miner thread former sales thread ...zippo
.....we found out by accident asking about broke stuff we wanted to bid on that may have hit the trash heap but we thought...the old RMA stuf in the back...
   maybe no one even knows what a titan is there anymore from the staff turnover from 2 years ago etc..thus the law firm got a copy of this (again
the standard sales/customer support/sam cole email on their main page all does not work ..i tried myself.....as a 2nd aside to compare info I got NO
replies....the first ask about this stuff we were afraid would get tossed also included kurt's old tech email...that musta got thru...thus they had it
all locked up imho. We won the 1st auction of 24 due to this and shocking them was a closed bid auction the last 2 auctions were open bid and knc
proper imho walked in and took the works..cause they could see whatever was bid and just up'd it at 160 full size bid lots .ie tried to take it all got most.

2) at 400k for both auctions knc got approx 190 working 400 mh titans back I say...IF I can ROI in 5 months or so at 14.6c kwh per titan at knc's
supposed 4c kwh rate they can get this 400k back in like 3 months probably..so they HAD to bid in that it was trapped in the data hall you can
make big bucks on titans yet at 4c kwh imho was a no brainer had to keep it quiet and had to go for it all to get it back

3) they really really hate the IPO guys they stuck on the data halls etc investments....if they would have opened it up the sale to the world on these units imho would have gone
for much more...but being knc this his how they roll imho......just happy we escaped knc's Sargon's all seeing eye and got out of Mordor...we got
crushed in last two auctions..including the 3rd one which was partially working dross stuff and rma's but being dump and stupid and lucky fell into
the first one ..won it...spent the next two weeks while they struggled with the paperwork venting law firms to vent the bankruptcy law firm etc..(I now
have google street map skills of varous yuppie lawyer type addresses in Sweden....more useless skills lol)


Anyway KNC ...I WIN you dicks.....you are bankrupt.....I'm still minig and killing it...so there (putting aside the fact they have sock'd away millions of $$$
so don't bust my bubble I need a win here) anyway in denial or not I'm calling it a win...knc proper is out of business ...I'm still killing it on Titans so its a win in my book..
delusional though that may be...gonna go with it as my end game to knc's end game

hell at least we were a 'little bit of sand in the gears' on their plans.....anyway again calling it a win (but then again being evil we are still looking at 20% damage
rate on shipping and how it was put together with parts by temp workers ..and of course all cubes 120 or so have to be re-done due to crummy/wrong thermal paste
from what we can tell by heat compared to our regular cubes..but hey this is KNC we kinda expected that and was reflected in the bid of 1900 with shipping each...
so still calling it a win damn it)




knc...we do evil well! (tm knc)



er sorry kinda drifted off topic here but hey the OP started it POINTS AT OP!

but back to on topic of much MORE concern is HOW many A4 units are already out in the world to their IPO investors (assuming they got some as they asked) who have first dibs

Also innsilicon being a 'chip manufacturer" and its main reason to do these 14nm chips was to get it funded by IPO $$$ and asic chip/unit sales...thus when asic's all go away
as a chip manufacturer....they can use the infrastruture for NON asic 14 nm chips in the future ..a win win imho

so the concern to wrap up this rant ..if they are just in it to make chips and the more chips you make the more profit you make per chip and IF they are not gonna have their
own data hall (which limits how nuts you go releasing asic chips in the world....why wiz in your own profit pool)

THEN if the above is how it plays...these A4's are gonna (or the bulk chips also) gonna be more common then 'toasters' in the world soon especially if they got a nice
new 14nm equip process up and running for no cost...it will be balls to the wall baby .....A4 chips for everyone (shudder scared myself have baby Titans to nurture yet )

I don't know how many of them were new in the box vs how many were online at one point.  I know some of them were new old stock.  So how much pressure we are going to see on diff is a question mark at the moment.

But these titans were previously online, so it's not really like it's new hashrate. Perhaps idle for a while though.

Well a couple of the guys just bought a big bunch of new/old stock Titans from KNC in the auction.  So I can tell you that they did in fact have a boatload of new miners sitting there.  A couple of the forum members here scored a nice batch of them in the first round, but were blown out of the water in the second round of the auction.

So there will be a bunch of Titan's coming online any time now.  Like excelerator said, I wouldn't sweat anything until we start getting to the latter part of Sept.  I know I will start to get pretty persistent with Inno at the end of this month on more details.

Yea, that's what I figured all along. All the ASIC companies seem to do that... They push the date to the limit of what they advertized, which would be the end of Sept...

In all seriousness, I suspect they will start shipping in September at this point. Given the lack of updates on their part, plus their own stated position of August or September as the shipping time frame, I would just breath deep and wait for September 1st.  Only begin to worry if nothing useful happens by October 1st.....

I would think that what ever KNC had in Titans was running. Not running them would have been stupid but I can't say that they were smart.

We are now first week of August and no pics of completed units or a production line with units being built. How about something being tested? You can't put boards together and then ship them out.

I just looked and all I have been given so far is just the invoice. 

Has anyone who placed a pre-order request a full digital, final release of the 45-day warranty?  I was told one would be sent to me in late July but I'm still waiting.

It would be great if someone who actually pre-ordered made the same request and shared out the document.

Oh, gotcha. The Sam Cole thing.

KNC liquidation/bankruptcy auction.  They just sold off a large number of new/old stock Titans.

I must have missed a conversation somewhere. Why are new/old KNC Titans coming online shortly?

my view is SOME or not all of these titans ran in data hall that is now defunct....and knc insiders were the whales that got the majority of the 160 offered..the

stuff we got 1st auction seems all new..but it is running 20% damage in shipping or temp worker messed up and complete re-do ..new parts but gonna be a complete rebuild to be safe

they DID use off the shelf thermal paste...so heck it was gonna be a complete re-do anyway i guess

nothing like stress testing stuff to 400mh with no themal pads on the dc/dc's for 1/2 hr to make them nifty black scorch marks on the chip and kill 6 dies dead as a result
on a unit

been a fun week with btc crashing and such

can't wait for the weekend when the Chinese miners announce FU to bitcoin core and they are gonna fork

cheap 180 usd btc here we come...deja vu to 2014

My point is in this is the A4 thread some or most of these likely were on the network and will return....the interesting thing is how many A4's will hit the world in September

with diff rising due to such and btc price (with ltc and alts following) down the tubes may make for an 'interesting' couple months (by that I mean in a Apocolypse Now kinda

vacation frame of reference)

crypto always drama

Should be interesting to watch upwards to ~64GH of new/old KNC Titans come online here shortly.  Even if you discount 20% due to defect, 51GH of new scrypt hash should be coming online soon.  We should not confuse that with Innosilicon firing up a DC with a bunch of new A4s being "burned in".

Speaking of space heaters, those Titans ran at ~4w/MH and these A4s will be running at 3.2w/MH to make their 280MH specification so they will be pushing out their fair share of BTUs....

I think the shipping is extra and you add it to the direct wire xfer. Folk on here who paid should know. Me I'm just a post office due to trust rating I have not got one yet. Mainly due to the 6 new KNC 5 cube 400mh unicorns from KNC liguidation for the 1900 including their KNC  volumne discount shipping deal with ups of 150 use each

The again crypto is crashing may just be space heaters soon 😩

Still may get an a4 but was distracted by the above and btc and ltc dump in price today is not helping

I don't know what the exact figures are for the "low, slow, COOL" speeds, but it should be quite attractive.  I know I have been getting cooked out of my house this summer so having this option to still get decent hash rates without pumping 1000w worth of heat in my home would be awesome! 

OK, but in ultra low power mode its...for example 100mhs. So 100mhs x 1,35w = 135W That would be gorgeous

If you want to try and get in on this pre-buy I would just ask in this thread if anyone else from the UK has placed an order or wants to place an order that maybe you can tailgate on.  Then arrange for pickup or shipping from their destination.  That would dramatically reduce the shipping costs vs having them relayed from the US.

Default mode is turbo and that is 280mhs.