Topic: Account farming. Allowed? - page 3. (Read 51839 times)

You have any idea how many flippant snotty NOOBS told me they have been here for many years but never registered?

So bullshit.

Murder is impossible to enforce so should we simply drop the law?
That logics is a cliche here.
That is what people say about scam coins.

I seen that retort defending every aspect of bad behavior here lots.
Pick anything..
Then some idiot says we'll.. It can't be stopped.

Bullshit.

If enough people are seen getting a hard punch in the fucking head..  I can assure you most will think twice.
VS...
Doing literally nothing at all.

Do you even smart?
People who defend bad behavior are bad people.

I can't believe the level of shit that has risen up here on this forum.
Have you all been to another forum before?
I've been in many and run some of my own and moderated in some big ones too and NOTHING like this has ever happened.
This is a retarded shit show from hell.

I was a Mod at cs.rin.ru

I was banned for scratching my ass at Neowin.net more than once.
Here?
WOW.

Let me point out how half the sleazy little pricks here say this is their job.
They say this forum is their business
Many say they have no other income.

Theymos has a sticky warning user's about PayPal charge backs but..
Says nothing about the widely known fact it is a violation of the TOS.
And that when caught PP will seize your account and take your money..
And... Launch one hell of a nasty hellish investigation (mine was about 2.5 mo's long)
.... Leaving all the user trading in the market section ripped off.
These guys told me they know.. And they have been caught but simply create a new forum account and a new PP account them continue on... Even if the previous account ripped off users after funds were seized.
The market section has a large dedicated user base involved in fraud.
We have known since 2012.
When it happened to me in late 2013...
I Google searched my PP email and I ended up seeing a guy with the same exact email POSTED HERE from PP in 2012.

This is now nothing but a scam industry..
Not a forum.

To be honest it's such a shit hole of greedy penny pinching shady scumbags I could care less if I was banned.

The place is effectively usable in many sections and at best iratating.

I did not sign up here to start a shady shit small business by account farming etc.
I joined because this was a forum on crypto currencies.

So you tell me who is the forum for now a days?

Fix it.. Or suffer the consequences.
It's bad enough as it is.
How much worse do you want it to get?
How many older legit users leavenuntil you care?
As long as they are replaced by shady Altcoin sleaze balls throwing money around then who cares?
Take your pick.. Scammy NOOBS or crypto currency SUPPORTERS.

This is not my job.
I did not sign up to start a business out of my forum account here.
So who is theymos backing up.. Us or THEM?

There was a community council or something, which could vote for his removal AFAIK. I have no idea if this exists anymore.

It depends on the individual case IMO. Does DT status make you trustworthy by default? As we've seen in the past, the answer is clearly no.

That you can't really know.

Why not both?

That bullshit excuse misses the point. He never claimed that banning sales would stop all sales. Ideally sales would be permanently bannable all involving parties (buyer, seller and escrow if available). This would destroy most of this shady *endeavor*.

When I joined this forum, it was to be able to post. I had been reading before. If I would have had to wait 90 days after signup, I wouldn't be here now.

Units of Evil are used based on IPs. If a spambot uses many IPs from his ISP, that would mean other users from the same ISP can get a banned IP too. Tor and VPN wouldn't be possible anymore.

I prefer a ban-tag over a scam-tag.

It's impossible to enforce that.

I'd like to see changes to the forum too, but not in such a way that it stops legit users from joining.
I would for instance love to see shitposters banned, but it's time-consuming to find them, and a gray area for those who are on the border of being shitposters.

Pearls he did though.. There used to be a nooby jail..
I know I was stuck in there for a bit when I registered here.

I concur mostly.
The place is over run and SIG campaigns are a key problem.
Why not just ban them?
Idiots don't need to make pennies with them.. They can get a job at McDonald's.

And freezing account registration is a great idea.

For me it sucks looking in some sections.
How can I use the off topic section when it is abused like that?
The section is rendered unusable.
Does that section even add to your activity here?

I suspect most users claiming their account to was stolen are lying.
I don't think account sales should be allowed.
It is an avenue of scam now.

These scammers and spammers know how to game the system here hard..
And instead of making the NOOB jail time limit longer it was Removed.
I still can't believe they ditched it.

But yeah if theymos needs help to get the ship running right then ask.
A lot of people would be willing to help how ever he wants it.

LOL.  A very piercing analysis, my friend.  Well stated, all of it; you have great suggestions, but my impression is that Theymos isn't going to modify this forum in any way, shape, or form from the way it is.  I assume that's because he's making too much money from the traffic that the signature campaigns bring in.  This has all been said before ad infinitum.  Getting rid of sig campaigns, as unpopular as that would be, would prune the garbage from this forum like nothing else can.  It would be like a brand new forum.  You think all these garbage topics would get created?  I think not.  Sure, it's a nice way for people to earn some bitcoin, but it's turned this forum into the commode at a Kiss concert.

A very simple way to stop the bot registrations would be to introduce the text capture + question and answer when registering and up to a definable number of posts (ie 1, 10, 100 posts)

I've set up a couple of forums (links in my signature) as well I am an administrator on the sexcoinforum.com - all of which use simple machine's forum engine as their base.  If Theymos wants to continue to allow the very false perception that there are over one million people using BitCoins, then we need to make the media aware on our own when that lie is repeated in the media.

*IF* on the other hand Theymos just doesn't know what to do, then he/she should just start a thread admitting s/he can't cope and ask for suggestions from all members, not just the forum administrator's who are propping up this lie.

• 90 day freeze on all new registrations - seriously, there aren't tens of thousands wanting to sign up.
• Blanket all passwords to be reset via email... then
• Maximum 24 hour login
• text capture + question answer for all newbies as well as registration
• Don't just nuke spam accounts - actually delete them
• Banned means banned use the IP ban function - that's what it's there for.
• Must be full member to access forum sections such as the currency converter / loans / signature campaigns etc sections
• re-introduce the scammer tag
• There are those of us who are capable of identifying scammers and ban evaders from DT1 downwards and are not afraid to identify them for what they are - scammers - put us to use.
• A half dozen people on DT one is a little glee club, not an indication of who is really trustworthy here.
• Ban the sale of UID's, or, Theymos, come clean on what percentage you are getting to turn a blind eye.

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/MOcQi#selection-1917.0-1999.102

That is the way this forum has been headed for quite sometime. It causes myself and others to lose interest here but it's his forum and his rules. 

I concur.

Thousands of people got scammed as a direct result of that.

Yes.

I can reasonably argue the need for a maximum of 2 more alt accounts. A number higher than that, I can't explain with anything other than sig. spamming, bounty abuse and whatnot.

This seems to be the case for now. The forum suffered a huge loss with the departure of BadBear. Whilst the addition of Cyrus helped a lot with account recoveries, he can't even remotely make up for the Bear.

It could be easy to offer some BTC to someone such as guys on this topic to go through and clean house.

A show of force may curb the out of control behavior.

Mass account creation and mass garbage posting is not good.
So maybe a new rule is needed?
Additional accounts are permitted if users are being reasonable about it.
Why does a guy need to create 20 at once?
Is there a legit reason for THAT many to be made?

This issue permeates the whole site..
Seen off topic? WOW what a joke!
It is nothing but lobbing softball questions for account farmers to pad their stats with.

If theymos wants this place flooded by world wide scammy douche bags bloating the database to extreme levels then so be it.

As a user here though the price will be mods frustrated and taking it out on all of us and more rules being added.. Why do you think they banned giveaway topics.

If one section is bloating the database it will have to recouped at some point.

There is a flood and if no one wants to plug the hole in the damn then oh well I guess.
Let us drown in a sea of shit.
Although good users will just leave.. Leaving mass farmers here to circle jerk it up.

People do leave this forum because of how it's run and the idiots running rampant. 

I've seen some of them farming and it's not that hard to spot. They login with 1 account, open 5 or more tabs with different threads, write short response in each, switch accounts and repeat. Next thing you have a thread full of short responses by newbie/jr accounts and all of them within an hour or two.
I agree that there should be some people assigned to finding and banning mass farmers.

interesting. i agree with your and others arguments.  it's surprising that theymos doesn't ban account farming after seeing this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/giveaway-threads-are-not-allowed-434310

Theymos should hire a task force to hunt these douche bags down..

In theory I agree with people being allowed to have multiple accounts if they want to keep certain opinions or business separate from their main/known account but people have massively abused the rule that you can have as many accounts as you wish. This is one reason why I suggested we should remove signatures from rank and make people pay a fee for them. This will instantly stop such industrial scale account farming. At the moment if somebody wants 1000 accounts they can easily create them all for free. Use a bot to copy and paste content and you can rank them all up with no time or effort wasted on your part whatsoever.

I couldn't agree more..
I also seen I think theymos post here long ago you should make more accounts if you had something controversial to say.
When I read that I was rather surprised.

Staff here advocate the behavior.
They are likely guilty of it as well.

Me?

I have logged into and created one single account.
Why do I need others?

..there is no good reason

Some people don't agree with the rules or think it's shady/destructive behaviour. It's a similar situation with Scammers and account sellers. Neither behaviour will get you banned from here but it will likely get you negative feedback.

Something needs to be done about account farming though because it's gotten way out of hand. Admins rarely seem to look into any cases either. There's literally hundreds of spam accounts copying and pasting and shitposting away in the Chinese sections and as soon as they hit the required rank they all join a shitcoin ico campaign and start spamming even more.

Just because the current owner (remember, this is not theymoses forum) has a flawed policy, that does not mean that people should stand by and accept it.

But spamming that is posting trashily is not allowed. Account farming is often characterized having this kind of trait hence they are violating the forum rules and ruining the forum itself.


These are the common forum rules that are violated due to account farming and they can also violate other forum rules since it can be used more than just for farming.

Just fyi,  scamming is 'allowed' on this forum but is highly frowned upon.  Same with account farming.  Theymos doesn't give a shit, but the community is very into vigilante justice.   That's why.  Same thing applies to account sales.  They're allowed but I and some other members tag them with red when we catch them.

just out of curiosity, if account farming is allowed, why are you guys going through the trouble to identify farmed accounts?