Topic: Acorn M.2 FPGA based GPU Accelerator - page 43. (Read 73507 times)

Thanks for the reply .

 There is no conspiracy it is a fact that  you have not sold out Sept. batch at 329 according to your website

and you offer Nov batch at 329. The screenshot is simply taken from your website showing that.

Simple accounting shows  that is wrong .
So why offer it?
Your website has sept and should not list oct or nov  until sept is sold out.
All it does is create a chance that a buyer makes a mistake and gets his batches later at the same price.


This free marketing advice for your company.  You could follow it or simply resist my advice because it is your company and you ultimately make those decisions not me.

Has anyone made the mistake of ordering from Oct or Nov batches I don't know as I don't have that info.

Did your store create the chance that someone can order Oct or Nov vs Sept yes it did plain and simple fact.

Will you fix that?  I don't know.
Will you allow an order for Nov to be moved to Sept if someone fucked up I don't know?
Will you give a coupon to a Nov order because the buyer is delayed for 60 days I don't know.

Will you say phil in this case you are right we did create a chance for a buyer to have a 60 day delay thanks for pointing it out and we will fix it.

We checked our records and only 2 people placed orders in Oct or Nov we will move them up to Sept.
We will only list  Sept until it sells out then list Oct till it sells out then list Nov til it sells out.
I don't know.

Do you think I like posting here over and over and over pointing out issue after issue .

Fact is I don't and would rather not post here until the gear I ordered arrives.

Tell you what I stopped posting here. Until the gear I ordered arrives.

As I understand my order with squirrels it is for 1 215+ and 1 nest and is due for sept batch.
order number 482 is my squirrels order reads sept batch



As I understand my order with mineority it is for 1 215+ and is due in the august batch.

Order Number: 25 is my order from mineority

btw it does not say that it is August batch or Sept batch or Oct batch or Nov Batch  when order was placed it read August shipping so Hopefully it ships with the August batch.

Alternatively - instead of a million conspiracy theories you could see that the price of components is only going up and most are extremely constrained right now, and building these things doesn’t magically go down in cost in November. There isn’t some huge profit margin to discount things just because you feel they should be discounted further out.

If you don’t want it - don’t buy it. If you’re skeptical, wait till the review units go out. It really is pretty simple. There is a massive amount of effort and activity behind making these, and the software, and the logistics. I welcome someone else here to step into that for even a day. We are regularly at the mercy of Xilinx and component supplies in the global supply chain as well.

We’re awaiting actual production line roll off starting next week, and some verification time after that to ensure that all is going smoothly. Exactly on-time.

I guess in the crypto world we have become used to how the various ASIC miner manufacturers have done their pricing for pre-orders, and consider that "normal." Given that the ASICs are not particularly flexible in what they can mine, perhaps it's necessary to even out the order flow and entice new orders to keep the manufacturing lines busy and the coin rolling in.

Seems SQRL has opted for a different approach to pricing their offerings. Time will tell which method is the right one, or if there is room for different pricing models based on the flexibility of the mining hardware being offered for sale.

It will settle out after a bit of time. They will either clean up their act and stick around or not.

I can say this  preorders out to Nov = shaky
But no discounts offered on the Nov  = WTF
This is wrong and looks bad see below same price  for sept order and same price for nov order.

What we have now is that in many cases, the coin dev teams work with one or more of the prominent GPU mining software devs to get the new algorithms into the GPU miners so that there is new software available on the day of the fork. In some cases this involvement begins weeks prior to the fork to allow the GPU miner devs to optimize their code.

FPGAs will be here for the foreseeable future. They may be visible, like the VCU/BCU1525, Acorns, and others, or invisible like the FPGA miners developed with private money and not publicly available. For the publicly available FPGA miners, I think that coin devs will probably start to collaborate with the FPGA bitstream devs in much the same way as the con devs now work with the GPU miner devs.



Honestly, at the risk of sounding like a SQRL apologist, I think they were overwhelmed with the demand and the complexity of multiple payment options and ordering paths, and it's "all hands on deck" to get the orders and payments sorted out and processed. As Phil and other's have experienced and documented in this thread, there have been some issues. I guess I was one of the lucky ones in that I ordered early enough when SQRL was accepting BTC or ETH for payment, and I experienced no problems with my order processing.

Having been around for the dot com boom, this reminds me a lot of the then "new" internet retail companies opening for business and being so overwhelmed that their web sites crashed for days/weeks and they couldn't keep up with orders when the web sites were working. Some survived, but most perished. I think SQRL is going to make it, but I'm sure that the learned a lot this time.

There is always a newer and better thing coming along later. The question is how long is the wait, and how much better will it really be? Is the guaranteed wait for the potential newer, better thing worth the lost opportunity of using the current thing?

Now mind you, you are worrying/wondering about the next version of something that doesn't even exist in public yet.

To Phil's point in the previous message, the cost of a Nest x2g and two acorn 215+ FPGAs costs about the same as a brand new name-brand 1080Ti in the US. Since the two acorns are estimated to hash at approximately the same rate as that 1080Ti running the ethlargement pill it makes that set-up somewhat interesting. The proof will be when the acorns are available in the wild (expectations are later this month) and independent verifications/validations show the real performance.

Well at least the negatives are revealed.  It shows me that a coin that favors GPUs  can still be made.  Basically the key will be my new coin has 12 algos written already all are tested and work. I will be using the 12 on a coin flip every 60 days basis.

Ie after 60 days on alog A  I flip a coin post results  heads we fork tails we stay.  If we fork I release new software to mine it.

the sole attraction of the coin is it favors gpus   call it gpu coin.  and yes it can still be asic or fpga levels but at a high cost of development.If the development team has that 12 algos ready the coin has a shot at acceptance.

As for not a single demo of working acorn 215+

I am glad I choose to go with 1 x2g nest and two 215+  cost 790  about 1 new 1080ti.

The eth pill effectively gave me 3 new 1080tis  so spending some back was okay.

I have been following the other FPGA related discussion in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3459858.1480

and I find what whitefire990 quite telling: (quote)
"It takes quite a lot of work to transition a bitstream from private use to public use (with dev fee and anti-piracy).  Since my original post May 1, the crypto-landscape changed dramatically.  Luxcoin forked away from Phi1612, making Phi1612 useless.  Baikal began mining Keccak with X10 ASICs, making Keccak non-profitable (and also Digital Cruncher released Keccak for the FPGA as well).  The few coins on Skunkhash collapsed, making it so that Skunkhash can only support 2-3 FPGA's at the moment.  The network hash rate on Tribus went up 4x (and also Digital Cruncher released Tribus first),  so what this all meant is that it was better to focus on high-profit coins for public release rather than package-up old bitstreams that are useless.  0xToken is available now, and I am releasing another algorithm on August 11, and four more in early September.  I am no longer going to announce which algorithms will be launched, since it was my original announcement of Phi1612 that was a major factor in LUXcoin forking (in hindsight I should have just launched the bitstream without ever announcing it first).

I hope that clarifies things.  If you still want Tribus and Keccak, you can download them Digital Cruncher's github.  Phi1612 and Skunkhash are available on Sprocket's github, although it isn't really worth installing them."

and this:
 "So basically what I'm getting from all this is, it's very time consuming releasing bitstreams for the public which makes FPGAs vulnerable to forks just like ASICs are. FPGA can't compete with ASICs and can be forked with fairly good success since developers working on bitstreams is scarce..

As a miner you're basically a sitting duck twiddling your thumbs hoping a bistream is released before the coin forks again.

Miners like STAK, SRB and Cast (for gpus) can release new revisions with new algos within hours of a fork.

Say Cryptonight V7 forks again to V8. How long would the wait time be for a updated bitstream?"

whitefire990:

"This true to some extent, it certainly takes longer to develop a bitstream that to change GPU code.  Ironically, the biggest reason for the difference is that it takes a PC seconds to recompile GPU software with a 5-line code change.  Make the same tiny change in your verilog source code and you are looking at 25-80 hours for the tools to rebuild the bitstream and sometimes it can take 20 tries to get one that passes timing (hopefully run in parallel).

A developer who has built an extensive library of functions for previous algorithms can in many cases 'follow a fork' in a very short time.  A developer who does not have access to the same library would take much longer.

Eventually as FPGA's get more popular, developers *will* have access to their own large private libraries of functions and will be able to follow forks pretty quickly, say about 7 days lag time."


So basically, FPGA programmers seem to be also facing the problem of forks and cannot really react quickly enough. They are becoming secretive in their pronouncements, fearing the quick chamges they cannot respond to. They are also facing competition from ASIC designers.

I am actually losing hope that there is a chance to avoid ASIC dominance and that FPGAs are not the answer. I am not interested in experimenting with some obscure coins.

What do you think?

Ps. The dead silence from Squirrels about the results of their tests is not encouraging either.

I think they are not looking at the customer base  nicehash,miningpoolhub.simplemining.net run a lot of hash on as they say Monero7

By not confirming v1 is the same as v7 listed at the three above and will work they lose out on buyers.

I know the kind of guys at  Squirrels think they are smart  so maybe they have a better method to sell the gear.

Last I looked there are more then 1000 215+ left at the minority  due to ship on Sept 30th.  that is 60 days from now.

and squirrels has Sept Oct Nov ship dates.

I guess when early users get them and use them other will buy more.

I am also a "NiceHash guy". I mean I started to mine on NiceHash some time ago and I switched one of my systems today to NiceHash again. I am getting sick and tired of thinking what I am mining and how to exchange it (I currently only hold "major" coins: BTC, ETH and ZEC). If Squirrels do not provide an option in their miner to setup for NiceHash, I am only going to use Acorn FPGAs to reduce power usage of my ether miners. I will not go on some minor pools and I expect their support to answer my questions or I am returning their products. Anyway, I am actually only happy with my Z9 earnings these days and I sold many GPUs recently.

I follow 35 threads on gear and have mined with

50 different gpu models
20 different cpus
40 different asics.


I am well versed with many algos and have used many of them.

Many people just mine at nicehash and look at the choices there

CryptoNightV7  has 55MH/s on Nicehash

https://www.nicehash.com/marketplace/cryptonightv7





miningpoolhub  has this guide

Miner Guide

A. Miner Setting

  Prerequisite

  Check whether you are a CPU/GPU(AMD&NVIDIA)/ASIC miner and install any miner depends on it.
  You will need proper server, port no., username/worker name and download the latest miner/wallet.

  Port no.    20580
  Server

  U.S.:      us-east.cryptonight-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20580
  Europe: europe.cryptonight-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20580
  Asia:     asia.cryptonight-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20580
        
Miner

  For GPU miner

  (1) Claymore GPU Miner

Download: Claymore's CryptoNight AMD GPU Miner - Windows, Linux

GPU: v.11.3 or above

Configuration e.g.:

NsGpuCNMiner.exe -pow7 1 -xpool ssl://us-east.cryptonight-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20580 -xwal username.workername -xpsw x


Add "-pow7 1" option to support Monero hardfork(hardfork activation height: 1546000).

FYI, "ssl://" is specified for secure network connection.

You can mine without this option but it is recommended to use because Claymore miner's devfee gets lower with this.
Also, it would help some outer firewall disconnection issues time to time.


  (2) Xmr-stak GPU Miner

Download: Xmr-stak AMD NVIDIA Miner - Windows, Linux

           Choose "monero7" option to support Monero hardfork(hardfork activation height: 1546000).   look like they prefer to use 7


  For CPU miner

  (1) Claymore CPU miner

Download: Claymore's CryptoNote Windows CPU Miner

CPU: v.4.0 or above
    
Configuration e.g.:

NsCpuCNMiner64.exe -pow7 1 -o ssl://us-east.cryptonight-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20580 -u username.workername -p x

Add "-pow7 1" option to support Monero hardfork(hardfork activation height: 1546000).    i see pow7


  (2) Xmr-stak CPU miner

Download: Xmr-stak CPU Miner - Windows, Linux

Choose "monero7" option to support Monero hardfork(hardfork activation height: 1546000).   this looks to be 7


So  to insist v1 is correct and v7 does not exist is fine by me  I am simply telling you people don't see a 7 and they don't care to buy the gear.


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and simplemining.net


lists  Monero7  
Miner Name   R   RX   NV   Info   Comments   
claymore-eth            Dagger-Hashimoto (eth,etc)      
claymore-zec            Equihash (zec,btg)      
claymore-xmr            CryptoNight (xmr)      
tdxminer            Lyra2z (xzc-Zcoin)      
ravencoin-miner            x16r (Raven)      
ccminer            Many alghoritms, PHI2   If not working then use newest OS image   


xmrig            Monero7      
xmr-stak            Monero7     they use 7


   
optiminer            Equihash (zec,btg)   (200 MB !!!)   
gatelessgate            Neoscrypt, Many alghoritms      
sgminer            x16r (Raven) + many others      
nevermore-brian            x16s, x16r      
ewbf            Equihash (zec,btg)      
lolminer            Equalihash 96.5/144.5      
z-enemy            x16r,x16s,phi,bitcore   If not working then use newest OS image   
dstm            Equihash (zec,btg)      
bminer            Equihash (zec,btg)      
enemy            x16r (Raven) + many others      
ethminer            Dagger-Hashimoto (eth,etc)      
TRASH            Dagger-Hashimoto (eth,etc)   


Like it or not  a ton of places have that 7  and people want to see the 7   

GPUHoarder mentioned a while back that "v1" was the correct term and that's what they will use. Most of us who are following this thread know that.

As a newly started company, with such a modular and advanced product, I dont think their target is that broad yet, Its easier for them to sell the first batches to the more hardcore miners, and let them promote and handle most of the q&a for the nicehash guys

As I said I don't care about monero and will be mining x16r
Once again nicehash has a lot of miners on v7  as they call it not v1 as you call it.
I get that v1 and v7 = the same 

just like BCC and BCH  are both names for bitcoin cash   yeah I know some will say no only BCH is correct.

I am not responsible for bittrex calling Bitcoin cash BCC
I am not responsible for nicehash calling  the new fork V7

squirrels says it mines v1 on its website  not v7
nicehash has no mention of v1 on its website.

So unless squirrels confirms it will mine v7 on nicehash people will be afraid to buy the gear.
I did not make this up.  I am clearly stating peoples concerns

Squirrels chart

ETHASH ---------------CryptonightV1---------LYRA2REV2--------------X16R

nicehash
cryptoNightV7 = stratum+tcp://cryptonightv7.eu.nicehash.com:3363

I am not confused since I know that many websites use different terms.
Such as Bittrex calling Bitcoincash BCC
Some people are confused.

on a different tack



Youtube video was nice to see but since it was released on July 29th  and not 1 single acorn in site not one many will be nervous and see this as a way to buy time.

You are indeed right and gpuhoarder explained that too but this is a fault of many crypto Web sites that propagate the wrong naming. People get confused and it does not matter what it is really called if diffident nomenclature is on those  important Web sites. Squirrels should be more clear and update the info more often on the Web site. Their support is poor.

Man, what is this obsession about movies? In the 70's and 80's George Lucas created Star Wars and people believed the story. Today people with basic skills and a nice PC can create virtual reality. The only way to be sure is to get the product in your hands and try it. There are two options:
a) grow some balls, calculate the risk, spend some cash and wait patiently for the delivery;
b) or just wait patiently until one of your buddies has done as advised in a) and you can see the results with your own eyes.

There is a saying in my country: the one who is afraid of bear does not go in the woods.

Whattomine calls it cryptonight v7 also, but it is monero chain fork 7, that changed from cryptonight (v0) to cryptonight v1 which adds a few operations to the main loop and the setup phase to kick asics off the network.

This is the last time i will say it, what acorn can mine is the current monero fork monero7 using cryptonight v1, the one where you dont fight asics. It does NOT mine the old cryptonight (v0) variant that asics are all over, and it does not mine cryptonight heavy.

I dont see why you need gpuhorder to confirm this, sqrl site clearly says cryptonight v1, and that is whats really driving monero atm, go google it, and you will find you that monero use cryptonight v1, cryptonight v7 does not exist. Ask anyone that knows the technical details of monero they will say its cryptonight v1.

Go read https://coin.fyi/news/monero/cryptonight-v7-vs-v1-a-nitpick-request-to-use-the-correct-algorithm-name-8b8o05

Yep, I'm pretty neurotic about the whole scam potential with projects like these and crypto in general.  I don't think this is one however.  Between collaboration with OhGodAGirl/Company and the video below it seems to be at the very least a real company with real employees and a real physical location.  Having said that .... I'm playing the waiting game.  Will see how the first round of buyers put these things to use and what their results are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-T0c4sU5K0

its realy increase hash rate mining?

Many people mine at Nicehash with gpus.

Nicehash  mentions two names

CryptoNight7 = stratum+tcp://cryptonightv7.eu.nicehash.com:3363
CryptoNightHeavy = stratum+tcp://cryptonightheavy.eu.nicehash.com:3364

So  the question asked was valid and an answer from anyone that is not gpuhoarder Since it is his product carries zero weight  if it fails to mine at least one of the two above

So @ gpuhoarder does it mine one of the two above?

for me I plan on mining mostly x16r , but some want to mine at the addresses above.