September 19, 2024, 09:12:53 PM

Welcome, Guest

News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.1 [Torrent]

Bitcoin Forum>Economy>Marketplace>Securities

Pages:

Author

Topic: [Active Mining] The UNofficial Active Mining Discussion Thread [UNmoderated] - page 35. (Read 75954 times)

Entropy-uc

hero member

Activity: 756

Merit: 501

Quote from: Bargraphics on January 21, 2014, 08:43:27 PM

Quote from: Entropy-uc on January 21, 2014, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

The questions that will not be asked:

how much did the acquisition cost, and who are the guys who got it? (wouldn't be a surprise that they are related to our friend kslaugther)
how is it going to fit on single slot pci express miners with no active cooling?
would it have been better to refund all that was left to investors? oh wait, how much is left?

The only good news is that trading should happen and those that didn't appreciate being lied to for six months will be able to get out; though it will only be through scamming bigger fools.
If only they just kept their bitcoins...

#3 is the only relevant question. Even if it was free, a 55 nm design isn't worth the engineering costs to tape out, design boards and firmware for. 55 nm asics cost more to produce per Gh/s than you can buy hardware from 28 nm suppliers at retail prices today (and last October for that matter!). Spending money on 55 nm guarantees you a loss compared to direct ordering from Cointerra. It does give Ken a way to save face. He wasn't incompetent and or lying when he said the RTL was done in June of last year, he was collaborating with a stealth start up!

Want to place a wager?

I already placed my bets. And they are paying off.

How did your bet on Terrahash work out?

Out of pure macabre curiosity what is it that you want to bet me about?

Bargraphics

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.

Quote from: Entropy-uc on January 21, 2014, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

The questions that will not be asked:

how much did the acquisition cost, and who are the guys who got it? (wouldn't be a surprise that they are related to our friend kslaugther)
how is it going to fit on single slot pci express miners with no active cooling?
would it have been better to refund all that was left to investors? oh wait, how much is left?

Want to place a wager?

Entropy-uc

hero member

Activity: 756

Merit: 501

Quote from: ?? on ??

The questions that will not be asked:

how much did the acquisition cost, and who are the guys who got it? (wouldn't be a surprise that they are related to our friend kslaugther)
how is it going to fit on single slot pci express miners with no active cooling?
would it have been better to refund all that was left to investors? oh wait, how much is left?

#3 is the only relevant question. Even if it was free, a 55 nm design isn't worth the engineering costs to tape out, design boards and firmware for. 55 nm asics cost more to produce per Gh/s than you can buy hardware from 28 nm suppliers at retail prices today (and last October for that matter!). Spending money on 55 nm guarantees you a loss compared to direct ordering from Cointerra. It does give Ken a way to save face. He wasn't incompetent and or lying when he said the RTL was done in June of last year, he was collaborating with a stealth start up!

Entropy-uc

hero member

Activity: 756

Merit: 501

LMAO at the morons who invested in this right now.

They are jumping around excited because their alcoholic CEO just paid to tape out a 55 nm design. When they were promised 28 nm chips 5 months ago! Now he buys out some schmucks who realized that you can't build miners on 55 nm for the retail cost of Cointerra's 28 nm systems, and the investors are happy. Good god you people are stupid. Do some math. Antminers are selling at $8 / Gh/s TODAY. And you supposedly have $6M in backorders at $15 / Gh/s that you are going to fill in 3 months? Every one of those people is going to realize they can have twice as much hash today rather than many months from now and demand refunds.

Sigh. MPOE-PR is right. It's just the natural process of stupid people with money returning to their natural state of poverty.

Entropy-uc

hero member

Activity: 756

Merit: 501

Quote from: ffssixtynine on January 21, 2014, 05:28:41 AM

He deleted that post and not mine? How odd. I expected my posts to go bye bye. Maybe sometime in the future they will disappear.

How telling is it that he attacked me (and effectively all of the people who had helped a lot, including vbs) rather than answer the question? Disappointed.

Ken deletes my posts that clearly point at the legal problems his actions have created. I suspect he spends far more time talking to regulators and lawyers than he does working on actually making anything at this point.

shaofis

member

Activity: 106

Merit: 10

Quote from: kslaughter on January 21, 2014, 06:12:13 AM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on January 21, 2014, 05:28:41 AM

It is very simple, under the rules of the forum if you ask a poster not to post in your thread, he should start his own thread. I have ask Entropy-uc not to post in my thread. He has his own thread and this one to post in.

Ken,

All this drama is doing you no good; surely you can see that. You claimed to have shipped... fess up and admit what you shipped or backup and tell the truth.

Please stop discounting this. What was shipped isn't even important, it's a baseline for your trustworthiness.

Shao

ffssixtynine

sr. member

Activity: 364

Merit: 250

Quote from: kslaughter on January 21, 2014, 06:12:13 AM

This forum doesn't have a lot in the way of rules!!!

K, thanks for the explanation.

kslaughter

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Quote from: ffssixtynine on January 21, 2014, 05:28:41 AM

ffssixtynine

sr. member

Activity: 364

Merit: 250

Entropy-uc

hero member

Activity: 756

Merit: 501

Ken is back to working hard at deleting posts. I guess being caught in his fraud about having 'product' shipped in November is touching a sore spot.

----
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

Quote
Quote from: WildFire.ca on Today at 01:56:55 AM
No No... Giving insider info is not against the law. Trading on that info is.

Selectively disclosing material non-public information is, in fact, a violation of SEC reg FD. Since Ken is in violation of many, many SEC regulations I doubt he cares.

Never do business with someone who deceives you using semantic games. And never trust anyone who would defend such behavior.

lobbes

full member

Activity: 240

Merit: 101

I'm still not convinced that ActM was/is an outright scam (just a failure with an attempt to hide the truth), but this line just reeks of Ponzi:

Quote from: Mac65 on March 29, 2013, 02:36:22 PM

I think the members of this discussion could benefit greatly from a little story my Grandmother used to tell me many years ago. Maybe some of you have heard it. "The Story of The Little Red Hen". It's probably too long to tell here but the jist is, The Little Red hen says "Who's going to help me make the bread"? and the answer was "Not I!" said the lamb, Not I!" said the cat. "Not I!" said the pig. At the end of the story "Who's going to help me eat the bread?"."I will!" said the lamb. "I will!" said the cat. "I will!" said the pig. "No, you will not," said the Little Red Hen. "You didn't help me plant it, or water it, or harvest it, or mill it, or bake it. I shall eat it myself!" And so she did. Search for it on google, it's a great lesson!

The Story of The Little Red ~~Hen~~ Ken...

Thumper650

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: ?? on ??

Those guys are still on these kind of details? Who cares? And seriously, you just need to look at the current fake design to know it can't cool any chip properly. This is from a real product that is a SSD. Even the Avalon and BitFury boards, which do not have heatsinks, benefit from wide air space that is easily cooled; not this product.

The fact that they have been lied to for six months doesn't bother them? Are they still trying to invent "perfectionist" personalities for kslaugther, when even himself reveals he didn't have a clue what he was doing, and/or failed at the only thing he had to do, monitor the companies that were doing all the work? The fact that they have no idea how much bitcoins and USD there are left?

Wake the fuck up.

The human mind is a powerful thing. It can believe almost anything

You should check out #activeming - shills shilling with just a few ms lag!

You are an idiot
because it is logically impossible for you to know for certainty that he is lying

manobra

full member

Activity: 151

Merit: 100

Lol! Now I know how to become a Hero Member...

You just have to enter in a discussion like that...

Thumper650

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

AMAZING COMPANY!

Quote from: Flashman on January 12, 2014, 06:36:05 PM

Quote from: Thumper650 on January 12, 2014, 06:00:25 PM

No, d00d, I do. Don't bullshit people if you don't like being called on it. Or, at least, get better at bullshitting.

Oh if you insist...

#1 indication of cluelessness: Doesn't realise there's a difference between the process size of the chip and the positioning of chips on the boards. "Derp, joo can't place duh 28nm chips like der 130nm chips because dose are obsolescent"

#2 indication of cluelessness: Doesn't realise there's a difference between the thermal problems of a ~200W chip and a ~400W chip "Derp, KNC can use a air cooled heatsink on a ~200W Chip so doing it with der 400W must be real easy too"

#3 indication of cluelessness: Doesn't realise that heat will have to be distributed and spread 3 dimensionally out of a 2 dimensional area, and the difference between 1 square inch and 4 half inch squares is that they basically lose half their conduction path each when butted together. "Derp, that should oughta be okay, I mount my CPU sinks with der CPU right in one corner because dey work just as well like dat"

Stop fighting strawmen, and address what I have actually said.
I gave you line numbers to make it easier. If you disagree with any of my points, feel free to refute them.

Quote from: Thumper650 on January 12, 2014, 04:22:40 PM

#1. Boards like Avalon clones are already at the edge of obsolescence.
#2. KnC has no trouble with conventional, "cheap, simple, reliable and well characterized thermal solutions," lol.
#3. While water cooling might have been bleeding edge in the 90s, it's consumer-level commonplace today.
#4. Ken never built any miners, including Avalon clones. The fact that he was *going* to build them gives him exactly zero experience with any design, obsolescent or otherwise.
#5. It pays to know the basics about your subject before bringing up "watts per meter" and brandishing absurdities like "100W out of four half inch squares."

In the meantime, I'll explain where you went wrong with your list:

#1 - I have not mentioned node size. I pointed out that the current trend is high GH/sec, high power ASICS. By at least an order of magnitude more powerful than Ken's (if Ken actually *had* chips, which he doesn't). KnC first generation, soon to be outmoded by their second generation. HashFast. Cointerra. BFL.

#2. - 400W chips are not "contiguous squares," that's silly. They are a set of dies set on a single substrate. KNC. HashFast. Please, read up on this, or, at least, look at the pictures. I'll put them right here:

HashFast, see the four dies?

KNC and no, it's not one die under that lid

#3. See above, and forget about 3D - you're confused. The wafer doesn't dissipate much heat through its edges, that's why they're called "wafers" and not, oh.. "blocks." Most of the heat is dissipated through just *one* of the surfaces, the one the heatsink sits on.

Keep trying though.

babybonobo

sr. member

Activity: 278

Merit: 250

#hardworkpaysoff

Quote from: wasubii on January 12, 2014, 02:13:23 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

@Bargraphics: Is there a bounty on crumbs? How much?

Bounty for what? Revealing his RL ID? Whats the point?

That was just an off the wall statement that BarGraphics made that the trolls put out to make him look extreme/ill intentioned. He was just commenting on the fact that if we knew who crumbs actually was IRL, most likely he wouldn't be posting the stupid shit he always posts. :p

wasubii

sr. member

Activity: 448

Merit: 250

Quote from: ?? on ??

@Bargraphics: Is there a bounty on crumbs? How much?

Bounty for what? Revealing his RL ID? Whats the point?

Bargraphics

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Bargraphics on January 10, 2014, 05:53:44 PM

If you are confident in your claim then make the bet, but since you are not you are a self admitted liar.

What bet? It's public knowledge that you did. Do you understand how betting works? Shocked

As I thought and fully expected.

Pankkake has been proven a liar

Enjoy the rest of your night. If you do ever feel like losing some money to me, take me up on those bets.

Quote from: ?? on ??

@pankkake: Watch what you say, d00d, shit just got serious:

Quote from: #Activemining

Find out where crumbs lives and you instantly end his trolling
Once you make him responsible for what he says
he no longer will say anything
same with pankkake

If he offers a nice bounty, i might turn that crumbs character in. Bar's got some coins, you know. Losing them as fast as he can, but some left.

May I direct Bargraphics to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/threats-to-extort-and-blackmail-bct-companies-by-the-user-pankkake-344219

Making threats to my physical integrity, as I understand, isn't very smart, from someone who's going to be part of the eventual ActimeMining lawsuit.

This was not a threat, you read it as so because you are a troll and you expect that people will want to hurt you physically. I'm simply stating a fact, once you come out from behind your handle you will not troll very much indeed.

Now I am placing you on ignore because I have already proven you a liar and weasel. Bye

Bargraphics

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Defending him makes you an accomplice. "At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense."
Trying to sell miners that do not exist make you an accomplice.

If you are confident in your claim then make the bet, but since you are not you are a self admitted liar.

Quote from: ?? on ??

"openly told people to seek legal action against the company if they wanted to", is irrelevant, of course if they want to they will do it, but you're trying to discourage it. Because you, and the whole "Advisory Board" will also go down with it.

Again if you are confident in your claim then make the bet. But you are a liar so that won't be happening.

Quote from: ?? on ??

The lie isn't about visiting them, I couldn't care less, it's about what you said. And then, deleting your post. Kinda telling, no?

Again if you are confident you can prove that I'm somehow involved with the Terrahash scam besides "cheerleading" then make the bet. I know for a FACT you won't do this as this is easily provable and I would immediately win.

PS: I explained why I deleted my posts, it makes trolls and liars like you go NUTS. It sent you all in a frenzy the moment I did it all recorded here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3246606
Since you guys continue to go crazy I'm going to assume it is still working.

Bargraphics

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.

Since you also seem to have a hard time reading, I'm betting that you are a liar. To be more precise, you lied about the following:

Quote from: ?? on ??

4 ur edification:

there's no class action on this type of case
BG, are you not a shareholder?
Yes I'm a shareholder of an unregulated company in belize
well as you see i dont have any experience in these type of stuff but i'm willing to donate to get this started
the only people that have experience in this will not start it
I promise you
OK, why is that?
you have to literally understand you are putting good money after bad
to want to do this
so you would rather wait and see your money burn?
it's burned
completely and utterly burned

Completely. And utterly. The Slaughter clan thanks you for your patronage.

Uh, why would you expect kslaughter's accomplices to want any action against the company? They obviously have everything to lose.

I am not kslaughter's "accomplice" in any way shape or form.
I openly told people to seek legal action against the company if they wanted to.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: JimmyJazz on January 09, 2014, 05:38:29 PM

He was giving cautious updates untill he realised Bargraphics was coming and wouldn't be able to explain why theres nothing to see.

Bargraphics being both a shareholder and having already lied about his visits (cf. TerraHash), I doubt that.
He had nothing to fear from this scammer.

I did in fact visit Terrahash

Feel free to lie some more and I will add this to the list. I proposed a very simple solution. If you are indeed NOT a liar then you would have no problem coming up with evidence to a third party that would support your claims. But instead you will opt out of this, continue to quick post garbage about not understanding and continue to troll.

Since I very obviously spelt it out for you I expect you will now decline.

Bargraphics

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.

Quote from: ?? on ??

lol
I have no idea what you want to "bet" on. That you're a scammer? It's already resolved, we can see your past actions. Of course, until you delete your posts.

Another assumption correct.

You lied and weasel out of another bet.

I'm just happy that we have this thread to show the community just how pathetic you really are.

Maybe one day you will put in the effort to actually state something truthful but more than likely you will continue to lie as you have shown to be so good at.

Let me know when you would like to prove your claims and if you can get a third party involved that we agree on to agree with you then you would win the bet, if they cannot agree with you then I would win the bet. Seems fairly straightforward something that I know for a fact you will not take me up on because as I've said before and will say again you are a Liar and a weasel.