[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 78.

iCEBREAKER

legendary

Activity: 2156

Merit: 1072

Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: carpetbagger on September 04, 2013, 12:13:32 AM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on August 31, 2013, 06:24:08 AM

It's not a situ that can continue any longer IMHO (because he needs some press coverage as well as long term shareholders being unhappy about lack of information) and we've made that clear. Ken is not the best at handling the public side of things as we all know and tends to focus on his engineering.

It's a holiday in the US Monday but tues onwards we'll continue to push him daily to ensure he is chasing it up as his highest priority. We want to see this put to bed within the next week or so but it's not down to us.

Any progress yet?

Progress is under NDA. Cheer louder and buy more, or GTFO.

If you like insider trading, get 100k shares and join the Board of Ultimate Uselessness.

kingcrimson

legendary

Activity: 1025

Merit: 1000

At least someone is fighting against the blatant trolling in ActM. I personally put them on ignore, but it is satisfying that he's able to embarrass them so easily.

LorenzoMoney

sr. member

Activity: 335

Merit: 250

Sadly, StuartUK takes himself quite seriously and believes he is doing good and is supporting ActM.

Quote from: Rawted on September 03, 2013, 10:08:50 PM

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: Rawted on September 03, 2013, 10:03:59 PM

I swear this stuartUK kid has to be trolling. I've never seen someone post in such a vile, immature way, all the while touting his own ability to predict/speculate/know it all. His account is barely older than Actm (which 'm pretty sure was his first investment in the btc world). His posts have got to be a joke.

Check out his posts in the Labcoin thread if you haven't already.

I'm sure it's entertaining, i only catch the sporadic idiocy he posts here when i visit the thread biweekly.

carpetbagger

sr. member

Activity: 258

Merit: 250

You can trust me, I have an avatar

Quote from: ffssixtynine on August 31, 2013, 06:24:08 AM

It's not a situ that can continue any longer IMHO (because he needs some press coverage as well as long term shareholders being unhappy about lack of information) and we've made that clear. Ken is not the best at handling the public side of things as we all know and tends to focus on his engineering.

It's a holiday in the US Monday but tues onwards we'll continue to push him daily to ensure he is chasing it up as his highest priority. We want to see this put to bed within the next week or so but it's not down to us.

Any progress yet?

Rawted

hero member

Activity: 742

Merit: 500

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: Rawted on September 03, 2013, 10:03:59 PM

I swear this stuartUK kid has to be trolling. I've never seen someone post in such a vile, immature way, all the while touting his own ability to predict/speculate/know it all. His account is barely older than Actm (which 'm pretty sure was his first investment in the btc world). His posts have got to be a joke.

Check out his posts in the Labcoin thread if you haven't already.

I'm sure it's entertaining, i only catch the sporadic idiocy he posts here when i visit the thread biweekly.

Ytterbium

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

Quote from: Rawted on September 03, 2013, 10:03:59 PM

I swear this stuartUK kid has to be trolling. I've never seen someone post in such a vile, immature way, all the while touting his own ability to predict/speculate/know it all. His account is barely older than Actm (which 'm pretty sure was his first investment in the btc world). His posts have got to be a joke.

Check out his posts in the Labcoin thread if you haven't already.

snowdropfore

hero member

Activity: 843

Merit: 1001

there are more and more cheap shares on BF,i pick up some。still hold on the actm。

Rawted

hero member

Activity: 742

Merit: 500

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 09:41:17 PM

Quote from: Stuartuk on September 03, 2013, 09:21:21 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

But 28 nm makes everything right!!!!!

Almost - more specifically easic 28 nm makes everything right. With the volume they can pump them out for us, we can wipe the board.

eAsic doesn't make the chips, dumbass. They just make data files that are sent to the fab. They have nothing to do with "volume"

I swear this stuartUK kid has to be trolling. I've never seen someone post in such a vile, immature way, all the while touting his own ability to predict/speculate/know it all. His account is barely older than Actm (which I'm pretty sure was his first investment in the btc world). His posts have got to be a joke.

Ytterbium

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

Quote from: Stuartuk on September 03, 2013, 09:21:21 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

But 28 nm makes everything right!!!!!

Almost - more specifically easic 28 nm makes everything right. With the volume they can pump them out for us, we can wipe the board.

eAsic doesn't make the chips, dumbass. They just make data files that are sent to the fab. They have nothing to do with "volume"

Mabsark

legendary

Activity: 826

Merit: 1004

Quote from: ?? on ??

But 28 nm makes everything right!!!!!

'Cause I'm gonna be your miner tonight

Two months from now
That's what you'll be sayin'
As you join ActM fanboys kneelin' and prayin'
Oh boy, when you mine with me
Oh boy, the world can see
That you, should've bought, LC

Stuartuk

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

Quote from: ?? on ??

You can't even wipe your own ass.

And he side-steps the volume question with an ass joke. Bravo!

Stuartuk

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

Quote from: ?? on ??

But 28 nm makes everything right!!!!!

Almost - more specifically easic 28 nm makes everything right. With the volume they can pump them out for us, we can wipe the board.

Ytterbium

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

Quote from: navitatl on September 03, 2013, 08:20:43 PM

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Bitfury chips require cooling to operate at acceptable levels, you can check their thread for info on that, for example, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2974755 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.660 or https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3067513

Labcoin chips have very different heat dissipation requirements than Avalon chips.

Avalon chips at 300MH/s would dissipate 1.98W in a 7x7mm area, i.e., 1.98/(7*7) = 0.0404 W/mm^2, while Labcoin chips need 12.8/(6.5*6.5) = 0.3030 W/mm^2.

This means that a Labcoin chip needs a cooling solution that is 7.5x more efficient in removing heat than one for an Avalon chip.

VBS coming out with the hard facts as always, love it. Can you estimate the W/mm^2 for the eAsic chips, or do we lack enough specs to calculate it?

Obviously not. NDA, remember? Although likely their dies will be huge because of their FPGA->ASIC process, so the W/mm² should be pretty low.

The problem, of course, is that the $/chip will be pretty high.

Stuartuk

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 08:19:13 PM

If they have their own CNC machine they can cut their own heatsinks.

LMFAO

''Yeah that's right, put a notch over on that side too Bill, I reckon with a few more notches we can get like 7 times more heat outta this thing easy''

navitatl

member

Activity: 119

Merit: 10

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Bitfury chips require cooling to operate at acceptable levels, you can check their thread for info on that, for example, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2974755 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.660 or https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3067513

Labcoin chips have very different heat dissipation requirements than Avalon chips.

Avalon chips at 300MH/s would dissipate 1.98W in a 7x7mm area, i.e., 1.98/(7*7) = 0.0404 W/mm^2, while Labcoin chips need 12.8/(6.5*6.5) = 0.3030 W/mm^2.

This means that a Labcoin chip needs a cooling solution that is 7.5x more efficient in removing heat than one for an Avalon chip.

VBS coming out with the hard facts as always, love it. Can you estimate the W/mm^2 for the eAsic chips, or do we lack enough specs to calculate it?

Ytterbium

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 07:06:38 PM

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 06:19:58 PM

You left heat dissipation out of all your math. Most of these designs will require cooling solutions that are much more expensive than the price of the chip itself.

ActM's chips at <15W will only require something like this per chip:

That's nice.

Of course, Bitfury chips don't require any cooling at all. If Labcoin chips need individual cooling they can also use a shared heatsink like the ones used in Avalon systems. They'll be the same design with the heat pad on the bottom.

Bitfury chips require cooling to operate at acceptable levels, you can check their thread for info on that, for example, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2974755 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.660

Labcoin chips have very different heat dissipation requirements than Avalon chips.

Avalon chips at 300MH/s would dissipate 1.98W in a 7x7mm area, 1.98/(7*7) = 0.0404 W/mm^2, while Labcoin chips need 12.8/(6.5*6.5) = 0.3030 W/mm^2.

This means that a Labcoin chip needs a cooling solution that is 7.5x more efficient in removing heat than one for an Avalon chip.

Their claim was 12.8W at 4.8GH/s/chip. At just 2Gh/s/chip it should be (less then) half of that.

We'll see what kind of cooling solution they come up with. Seems rather implausible to me that a team that could design a working ASIC would somehow just forget about cooling. If they have their own CNC machine they can cut their own heatsinks.

Stuartuk

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

This means that a Labcoin chip needs a cooling solution that is 7.5x more efficient in removing heat than one for an Avalon chip.

Silence all round from the LabCoin fanboys. A deathly silence. You can imagine the cold sweat running down their backs reading that.

Another slam-dunk from the mighty Vbs.

Stuartuk

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

Quote from: crumbs on September 03, 2013, 07:37:57 PM

What's an ASIC, sweet potato, and what makes you think that it exists?
(you have 15 minutes to think, don't rush. GO!!!1)

FTFY - lolz

Vbs

hero member

Activity: 504

Merit: 500

Quote from: Ytterbium on September 03, 2013, 07:06:38 PM

Quote from: Vbs on September 03, 2013, 06:19:58 PM

You left heat dissipation out of all your math. Most of these designs will require cooling solutions that are much more expensive than the price of the chip itself.

ActM's chips at <15W will only require something like this per chip:

That's nice.

Of course, Bitfury chips don't require any cooling at all. If Labcoin chips need individual cooling they can also use a shared heatsink like the ones used in Avalon systems. They'll be the same design with the heat pad on the bottom.

Bitfury chips require cooling to operate at acceptable levels, you can check their thread for info on that, for example, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2974755 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.660 or https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3067513

Labcoin chips have very different heat dissipation requirements than Avalon chips.

Avalon chips at 300MH/s would dissipate 1.98W in a 7x7mm area, i.e., 1.98/(7*7) = 0.0404 W/mm^2, while Labcoin chips need 12.8/(6.5*6.5) = 0.3030 W/mm^2.

This means that a Labcoin chip needs a cooling solution that is 7.5x more efficient in removing heat than one for an Avalon chip.

crumbs

full member

Activity: 210

Merit: 100

Quote from: Stuartuk on September 03, 2013, 07:22:59 PM

Quote from: crumbs on September 03, 2013, 07:20:17 PM

We don't even know if it's in the design stages, much less the actual J/H the thing burns.

We don't know if your brain exists - there is more evidence suggesting the ACtM ASCI chip exists.

What's an ASCI, sweet potato, and what makes you think that it exists?
(you have 15 minutes to think, don't rush. GO!!!1)

Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 78. (Read 479317 times)