Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 79. (Read 479317 times)

We don't know if your brain exists - there is more evidence suggesting the ACtM ASIC chip exists.

You left out a more important part:  ActM chip doesn't exist, and thus requires no cooling solutions.  We don't even know if it's in the design stages, much less the actual J/H the thing burns. 

That's nice.  

Of course, Bitfury chips don't require any cooling at all. If Labcoin chips need individual cooling they can also use a shared heatsink like the ones used in Avalon systems. They'll be the same design with the heat pad on the bottom.

You left heat dissipation out of all your math. Most of these designs will require cooling solutions that are much more expensive than the price of the chip itself.

ActM's chips at <15W will only require something like this per chip:

Yup.  It's kind of amazing, arguing that simply engaging in an open discussion will bring down the price pretty much proves he knows the argument against ActM airtight.

Anyway, here's some math.  Labcoin's chip are each supposed to be about 2-2.5Gh/s (based on their 2,000 chips, 4-5Th estimates)  They're 6.5x6.5mm.  

HashFast's chips are supposed to be 400Gh/s at 19x19mm.

So, HashFast's chips are about 8 the area, and 21x the feature density. So, the HashFast chip should have about 179 times as many 'features'.  And it's supposedly about 200 times as fast. So, not counting the transistor switch time, the numbers actually add up pretty closely.

Now, let's look at the ActiveMining chip.  Supposedly, it's only 20Gh/s.  1/20th as fast as HashFast's.  In order to be as space efficient, it would need to be about 4.24x4.24mm.  Which is pretty small.

Of course, we don't know how big the die actually is, that's all under NDA, of course.  But if it's much bigger then 4.24mm then it's not going to be cost competitive with HashFast/Cointerra's designs.

Hey guys, I actually managed to short Activemining!

Someone wrote a put option for 0.003 in three days, with a premium of 0.001 with the change I had left over from buying labcoin.

If ActiveMining drops below 0.002 in the next couple days I might actually make a few satoshis!


Well, the labcoin thread is full of ActiveMining trolls, hilariously saying Labcoin will crash in a few days on the basis of their chart voodoo while activemining tanks and Labcoin is stable.

It's kind of amazing how angry people in here are getting about anyone who tells them ActM isn't a good investment at the moment. Anyone who took Mabsark's advice in the past couple of days would have made money.  Why are you people so pissed at him?


No, I said delivery date is money, not "time".  In the bitcoin world, today, time is not interchangeable.  Six days in July were worth more then six days today, and this month is going to be worth far more then November.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to understand.  The difficulty is going up at a (currently) exponential rate. Getting hash power online today will be worth more then getting it online in November even if the hash power you deploy in November is 'exponentially' more efficient  

A 28nm design could theoretically be 21 times better then a 130nm design.

However, if you get that 130nm design online and hashing when the network is less then 21 times as fast, you're better off.

And also, Labcoin has a 65nm design on the way, probably ready by November and only 1/5.4 as many transistors per mm^2.

But, ActiveMining isn't even using a true hand-routed ASIC, they are going with an FPGA copy design. It's possible that LC's 65nm chips may be cheaper per GH then ActiveMining's. We won't be able to compare since we don't know ActM's die size, which of course is under NDA.

On the other hand I can tell you how large Labcoin's is, (6.5mm)²

Come back in 2months and we will see who has become the expert in burning money.

If you can still afford your internet subscription then, maybe you could beg for a few btc on the forums from all the people you have helped out/made bankrupt. lol

Actually, if they would have took my advice when I first offered it, they would be significantly better off now because ActM has decreased in price and LC has increased since then. Those who ignored my advice are the ones who have burned their own money.

Anyone entering into a debate on projections with this creep is only helping him plan his strategic attack on the ACtM share price.

If you hold ACtM shares and chat to this guy you are as good as burning your own money.

That's right, they don't need hyped which is why you are on their thread all feckin day and night.

So if you like licking their arses so much why don't you feck off to the Labcoin thread?

Poisonous little creeps like you are not welcome here.

Labcoin doesn't need hype as it actually has chips to bring online, unlike some companies.

If we assume the network hash rate is at 1 PH/s by beginning of November, the 50 TH/s is 5% of the network. ActM should be bringing some new hashing power online around this time, increasing their share of the network from 0.043%.

LC will have 100x the hashing power as ActM until ActM gets it's 28nm samples hashing in November.

F@ck off Trollie. The LabCoin thread is waiting for more hype.

Result.

You have just destroyed any credibility you may have had on here with that comment.
You are here to manipulate price only, and not a single word you say has a grain of honesty or truth about it.

Sucker.

Why don't you enlighten us then?

Selling high and buying low is how you do it right.  That's your Bitcoin Pro Tip for the day Stuart!   

I've come to the conclusion that trying to persuade these fools is not worth the effort, they simply do not want to listen, for various reasons.

You will notice ACtM's chief detractor icebreaker/crumbs has suddenly fallen silent. That's because he has bought low and is now holding ACtM. When he sells after the bounce back he will be here once again driving it down for another go on the see-saw. Pathetic, but made all the more possible by the unfortunate lack of news and the hyping of joke outfits like LabCoin. All par for the course.

 

GH/W is just as important. If it takes 4x as much power to get the same hashrate then there are going to be issues scaling to compete with companies producing lower power chips. This is likely the reason that ASICMINER is having so much difficulty expanding beyond ~50TH/s -- the amount of power infrastructure required to expand becomes enormous, and LABCOIN will likely face the same issue after its first 50TH/s is deployed.

No, actually.  That isn't 'logic' at all. Logic is when you take axioms and perform inference to come to conclusions.  You've just made a bunch of unsupported claims.

All that matters is $/Gh and delivery date. 130nm chips may pay for themselves within a month if they're all up and running by the end of October. 28nm chips may never pay for themselves if they're delivered in February.