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Quote from: EFS on November 04, 2023, 10:49:18 PM

Future generations can live a more comfortable life.

With this technologies future generations will be careless on work life. The extreme comfort of the future generations can lead to crash in human society. I believe that every thing is in a cycler flow, if the future generations are made so comfortable with this Ai it will surely lead to laziness and therefore crash or crisis. More like what a wise man once said that "his grandfather walk 20 miles to work, his father 5 miles to work, now he owns a Cadillac and his son will be on a Ferrari and then his grandchild on an SUV then the great grand son will have to work again. He further said that hard times create hardworking men and hardworking men create easy times.
This how the circle of life works I'm also anxious to what this AI's will cost this future generations. Negating or supporting what I said above time will speak for itself.

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AI is the future, and you will be amazed to see and hear about the things AI and robots can do. When you remove human error from anything, the work will be perfect. I think robots will replace human labour in many industries in future. Although it can replace tasks which are being performed in routine or repetitively, AI might not replace humans in all departments and industries, and businesses will need human input to increase productivity and operations.

AI can do work with efficiency and in less time compared to humans. Just look at the GPT and how it has revolutionized content writing; this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A few years ago, Elon Musk also said that AI is far more dangerous than nukes. As a matter of fact, it is. I think it will significantly impact human safety and security in the future. When there is automation in every field of life, anything is possible. We might not see all of it in our lifetime, but this will happen.

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Possible downsides of AI are:

they work without responsibility.
they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.

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If you ask me that question then I will say that I will gonna not completely agreed with Elon musk statement but I will also don't agree with his statement. Although currently artificial intelligence has not reached the level of capability to replace humans in all workplaces, I think that in the future, most workplaces will be dominated by artificial intelligence. Although I don't know about Elon Musk's motive behind giving this statement, I would say that the government or such organization should take care or make laws to keep artificial intelligence within certain limits from now on.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on November 04, 2023, 11:19:27 PM

Exactly, imagine the concept of AI from the movies like Iron Man which is from years ago, and how it tooks years to make something like Siri and Alexa which can assist you as well give you information. These are programmed to help people and give convenience to people, it only could be harmful if they programmed it like a villain to be harmful like leaking of private data, hacking and etc. But AI itself couldn't be independent on its own without the human, imagine if they get a low battery who will charge them in the end? It's just simply on and off people are not that dumb for AI to take over the world. But it's a threat to eliminating some jobs causing some people to lose their jobs like from what I have seen in some fast food, where robots are the ones serving food.

Ok, let's say if someone changed the program then what will happen next? Movies are not lies they show you the results of the things that will happen in the future. It's not that they going in the future but they just assume and then show you that this might be happening. I saw a movie in which a scientist made a fully advanced robot, he made this for the military and when he put feelings in it the robot acted like a human he destroyed the robot through it in the dustbin another scientist took the robot and changed the programmed and robot then is out of the human reaches and replicating himself. What if the same thing happens?

Okay, let's leave this topic that they are dominant in the world. We all believe that AI is made for the benefit of humans but through it, many people lose their jobs. A person who is doing a job as a car driver, now lost his job because of autopilot cars, what will he do how he can feed his family? On one side AI facilitates humans but on the other side, they are making people jobless. What is your opinion on this?

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.

Exactly. Even how fast AI development, AI will never replace humans especially if the work needs manual intervention. AI was created and can function based on the inputted data, other than that, they won't function properly as AI does not have the ability due to the limited data it received. AI was created to complement human ability and intelligence, humans still needed for AI to function.

I think people have watched too many Marvel and DC movies and have exaggerated and somewhat paranoid ideas about what will happen. AI only works when we give it data and it is like a support tool, where we store data when we need to use it. It supports us, not created to replace us.

Furthermore, the world is developing, AI will eliminate some jobs but will also create some new jobs for us. What we need to do is adapt to those changes by improving our knowledge and skills, AI is not as scary as many people think.

Exactly, imagine the concept of AI from the movies like Iron Man which is from years ago, and how it tooks years to make something like Siri and Alexa which can assist you as well give you information. These are programmed to help people and give convenience to people, it only could be harmful if they programmed it like a villain to be harmful like leaking of private data, hacking and etc. But AI itself couldn't be independent on its own without the human, imagine if they get low battery who will charge them in the end? It's just simply on and off people are not that dumb for AI to take over the world. But it's really a threat to eliminating some jobs causing some people to lose their jobs like from what I have seen in some fast food, where robots are the one serving food.

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.

Exactly. Even how fast AI development, AI will never replace humans especially if the work needs manual intervention. AI was created and can function based on the inputted data, other than that, they won't function properly as AI does not have the ability due to the limited data it received. AI was created to complement human ability and intelligence, humans still needed for AI to function.

I think people have watched too many Marvel and DC movies and have exaggerated and somewhat paranoid ideas about what will happen. AI only works when we give it data and it is like a support tool, where we store data when we need to use it. It supports us, not created to replace us.

Furthermore, the world is developing, AI will eliminate some jobs but will also create some new jobs for us. What we need to do is adapt to those changes by improving our knowledge and skills, AI is not as scary as many people think.

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I too think AI will make many jobs obsolete, but it won't replace all jobs. There are many industries that still need people.
I don't agree with the fear and anxiety issue at all. AI and robots doing many jobs will be to the benefit of humans, not to their detriment. Future generations can live a more comfortable life. Technology has always been beneficial to humanity when used for good.

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If the central server goes down at some time, will the AI tools (for example robots) that have been created to take over all human work be able to work again?

One thing you should not do is send original and important information to the internet because they will regenerate it.

Rest assured, nothing man-made is perfect, there are bound to be weak points and errors.

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AI's extended past ChatGPT it's moving to our daily life. It's affecting the way ppl work I've seen how they've used it like never before. Paintings & songs have been experimented so have ppl making human like robotics. The tech landscape's changing we've seen strike action by unions in America because movies & tv crew demand protection from AI. If AI dev isn't limited we don't know where it's going to lead.

Quote from: coupable on November 04, 2023, 06:58:33 PM

Although it has not been a long time since ChatGPT was launched (about a year), the significant impact on the labor market can be easily noticed in terms of a decline in productivity for human resources and a large percentage of workers losing their jobs. This does not negate the benefits of artificial intelligence, but we still do not know which is more, the benefits or the negatives.
Elon Musk's call is very logical at the current stage, especially since there is not much that can be done quickly before things develop for the worse, which is what we seem to be actually facing.

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its always funny seeing elon with all his statements thats against AI as if AI could bring doom towards the entire worlds yet in the meantime he quite literally funded some AI companies and even started out new company that works in development of AI called xAI honestly could we still consider his statement in regard of AI as relevant somehow?
because quite frankly speaking he just contradict his own statement with his own action its almost as if elon actually have ulterior motive shilling for the development of AI.
moreover the fact that even tesla if i remember also develops robot that powered by AI, if he trying to make regulation maker make the regulation as fast as possible it make sense but honestly elon also want to participate to become one of dominating figure in this field honestly.

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Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.

Investment in tech sector brings innovations so AI isn't a surprise but if that's the danger from AI today what's it going to be like after 1 year. Humans don't want to be architects of their problems so it's better to proceed with extra watchful eyes when AI's evolving.

Although it has not been a long time since ChatGPT was launched (about a year), the significant impact on the labor market can be easily noticed in terms of a decline in productivity for human resources and a large percentage of workers losing their jobs. This does not negate the benefits of artificial intelligence, but we still do not know which is more, the benefits or the negatives.
Elon Musk's call is very logical at the current stage, especially since there is not much that can be done quickly before things develop for the worse, which is what we seem to be actually facing.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 04, 2023, 05:59:06 PM

While AI gets a lot more demand in this high technology world, but that should not serve as a threat to us because we all know that we are still more capable to do things at its best. It’s just that when the pressure is too high, we all just resort into leaving our works into AI not realizing that if we all rely into it, it might steal all our jobs and leave us with nothing.

If AI's decided humans are a threat to it what's going to happen. It's possible it'll do more than steal our jobs. If AI starts taking steps to defend itself from humans which control it AI's not going to be safe for humans. This isn't science fiction we shouldn't dismiss the danger.

Quote from: coupable on November 04, 2023, 06:01:03 PM

Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.

Investment in tech sector brings innovations so AI isn't a surprise but if that's the danger from AI today what's it going to be like after 1 year. Humans don't want to be architects of their problems so it's better to proceed with extra watchful eyes when AI's evolving.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Although AI is developing very rapidly today and has left many professions at risk, I don't think it will ever leave all professions at risk. Of course, the processes performed by some professions can be handled much faster and more cost-effectively with AI but I don't think this will be the case in all professions. Maybe, with the combination of robots and AI it may be possible that many jobs will be done by AI in the coming years and what I said may be wrong but I think this possibility is quite low. In particular, it is among the possibilities that after such a scenario occurs a very serious unemployment gap will occur and many people's lives will be negatively affected for this reason. If this rate is too high, a restriction or regulation by governments and businesses will be necessary to prevent the chaos that may occur.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Elon doesn't need to know what he is talking about, so this is the perfect platform for him. He doesn't need to know anything, he needs to fud and use fearmongering as a tool because Elon wants to regulate AI. Not because he would be worried about it, but because he has left behind. If he would own the leading development, he would try to demolish all the restricting regulations from development. Now it's only for companies he didn't get to lead. Elon doesn't know enough about this subject, he jus suffers from delusions of grandeur. And since all his fanbois are fueling the belief of him being a tech Jesus.

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"There is a safety concern, especially with humanoid robots - at least a car can't chase you into a building or up a tree," he told the audience.

I am not sure how much ketamine has he taken lately, but this is just beyond stupid.

Should we remind ourselves that Chatgpt for example can't think. It's a language model, and brilliant tool for coding for example. But it doesn't "think". Anyone who has used it long enough start to see how far it is from replacing humans from anything.

Sure it can replace some jobs, but those were meaningless jobs in the first place, and of course at some point most of jobs will be automated, but that's not a new thing. That's been increasing since the industrial revolution. And happened way before that.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

(...) I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. (...)

This belief is completely unreasonable and nothing but wishful thinking. There have been plenty of discussions about technological unemployment (even on this forum) and the only argument for this seems to be that if something didn't happen in the past - it won't happen in the future, which is just silly, as unprecedented things (smaller or bigger) are happening on an everyday basis.
Other way of shrugging off the problem is saying that if human work is replaced by "robots", then people will build an alternative economy. This concept is also flawed and would be nothing more than an uglier form of proposed AI regulations.

ps. Elon Musk is not the only one saying that. In fact, I don't think there's a single, serious expert/scientist from the relevant field, that would think that human labour is irreplaceable.

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I would dare to say what Elon says is an overestatement. I do not think machines will be able to fully replace human beings when performing activities. Sure, I assume jobs will start to be taken by robots and Artificial Inteligence powered android, but there will always jobs which will require human talent or human contact.

For example, let us assume you go to a casino and you encounter a robot, instead the usual pretty woman who would Carter you. Do you believe would it be the same for patrons of the casino? I do not think so.

We may reach a time when those jobs were human contact is needed start to get overpaid, or society will become so detached from reality and they won't even care, which would be a very shady scenario to our societies.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I do not understand what Elon Musk means by regulating the sector because it seems that it cannot be controlled normally like other sectors. Any development company can work in this field without authoritarian oversight of any kind and without being noticed.
Even if the world proceeds with the goal of regulating the sector, this requires a list of rules to which all countries are subject, which they are supposed to impose on the companies operating in them. This is almost impossible to happen in a world with nearly 200 countries.
Take climate change, for example. It harms our planet on which we all live, and everyone agrees to limit this change so that we do not reach more disastrous results. What was the result? Summits, conferences, promises, and no real results, even though work on this began many years ago.
Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.

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Quote from: freedomgo on November 03, 2023, 11:37:48 AM

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Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

That's quite biased coming from him, as he would naturally have a positive view of his project since he owns an AI company. While we can't deny that AI can handle tasks that don't require human involvement, it's unlikely to completely replace people in the workforce. However, we need to embrace these changes and the best approach is not to complain, but to enhance our skills so we aren't left behind in terms of opportunities, because AI is capable of handling some of our tasks.

We appreciate that AI is making our work easier. However, we may not be aware that if we rely entirely on AI, it could replace our jobs. So, even though Elon's statement might be exaggerated, we should think about this chance. We need to find ways to avoid negative consequences when AI becomes more prevalent.

Elon is actually rightly on this. AI could outperform the real human tasks and replace us in the process but that will only happen if we don’t seek room of improvement of our own tasks. Let’s just treat AI not as a competitor but a real motivation for us to maximize productivity over quantity. AI may have done our works easier and faster but the outcome is still a lot different when we put some human touch on it, that is by putting some real emotions on the job and not some artificial emotions made from robots.

While AI gets a lot more demand in this high technology world, but that should not serve as a threat to us because we all know that we are still more capable to do things at its best. It’s just that when the pressure is too high, we all just resort into leaving our works into AI not realizing that if we all rely into it, it might steal all our jobs and leave us with nothing.

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Quote from: bittraffic on November 04, 2023, 03:23:15 PM

Elon of all people has been developing an AI, he should know how sophisticated AIs have become. The robots at MIT can even be deployed in a war in which they can shoot weapons and decide when to shoot or not.

Elon Musk hasn't involved himself in military testing but if he decided to make weapons he'd add many billions to his total wealth. He probably won't do it but we don't know if he'll change his mind in the future. In the future AI's going to be essential we won't evade it as it evolves in our daily life.

Quote from: Mate2237 on November 04, 2023, 03:30:42 PM

Human Beings can perform a task for days while a robot can do it within a day or seconds but what how about the thinking. Who created the robot or the AI? All will still boiled down to humans.

If it's still boiled down to humans what's going to happen if AI computes their biggest enemy are humans because they're the ones who can deactivate AI?

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