AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk - page 8.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on November 05, 2023, 02:06:07 AM

Possible downsides of AI are:

they work without responsibility.
they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.

Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.

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There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US, UK, France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 11:59:25 AM

The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

Quote from: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 07:10:42 AM

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

It is just only bringing fear to think of the possibility of the one I have mentioned in the future because there is a chance. But while it's still too early, there can be chances that it won't even happen as well so, with such, hope it won't come into reality but unlikely.

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The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

Quote from: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 07:10:42 AM

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

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Quote from: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 07:10:42 AM

...AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human...

It is in facts, very wrong to develop what a AI or robot can do, we should and obviously and ideally we want to make AI or robot as simple as possible, but why there is driving force to make it complicated, highly complex, confusing and highly advanced AI robot??? Who is trying to pushing this force so hard and making everybody else worry about AI? Do you think it is what Elon is conspiring?

Making AI robot complex and complicated is in my opinion a form of protest, just like how they protest to overthrow govt by making thing stupidly complex, we dislike AI robot thus we must make the thing complicated and make them suffer, but against all odds, AI are not defeated, it grow out of the box and far beyond, and taking a storm to your life, unless you are living in a cave, you can never ignore the influence, and begin to fear it.

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.

I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on November 05, 2023, 07:48:21 AM

Quote from: Ayers on November 05, 2023, 06:00:54 AM

I don't know if you know, although Elon always gives warnings about AI, he himself also has 1 or 2 private companies to develop in the field of AI. If you use the X app, you'll see a recent upgrade for your X account. With X's top tier membership for $16/month, you'll also be able to use AI in your articles. I don't know why he keeps giving warnings about AI but he is also developing it and I don't see any serious consequences from it.
It is undeniable that AI has replaced humans in some jobs, but at the same time, its development is also creating new jobs for us. It's like the world is growing and changing.

Using robots instead of humans comes down to how we handle the rise of AI. it's clear that AI can handle jobs that are easily visible, but there are still some factors companies might consider to keep using humans, aside from just the human touch. Those who work in a templated way should also think about upgrading their skills to stand out and not be replaceable by AI. it's an option for those who might be worried about the growing wave of robotics.

For some people, harnessing AI and robots could be another choice. Yeah, when it comes to efficiency and durability, robots seem reliable. But in practice, robots still have a lot of shortcomings. they struggle to understand complex situations, can't empathize, and depend heavily on technology, among other things... that's why humans might still have a place in some straightforward jobs because they bring unique advantages.

AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 08, 2023, 05:12:49 AM

How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.

Well yeah there's a lot to take especially on manufacturing or farming sector for sure they can get a job there, but does people who use to work on cubicle setting in airconditioned room can able to work with this industry? Maybe not and those office work jobs or those service outsourcing jobs is the one who get affected on it. Also we can add those freelance work that can be gotten by people working online for sure that they will be replaced by AI soon. So its good to adopt in those changes and get some skills that can keep up with demand so that we would not provably lose a job and struggle for finding replacement. AI technology is rising and provably people can't stop that and this could end up a lot of jobs in future since many company owners will find it more convenient to them especially that they don't need a physical contact to get in touch with their clients

Hopefully we can see AI technology useful and not destructive to the global work force.

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How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.

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Quote from: serjent05 on November 07, 2023, 06:33:26 PM

Ai needs maintenance and updating. They are also susceptible to bug/hacking attacks. One injection of malware can ruin an AI's program so AI still need to be maintained, upgrade and updated. They may not need things human needs but they have their own shortcomings.

I know you want to say not all jobs would be loss, someone such as software engineer would be required to work on the machine, btw when you look at the final cost of replace human workforce with AI bot, it is hard to compete, even third world cheap labour would be no match to how cheap and disposable AI bot is. Also as a software engineers you are looking at working a few weeks at most to update and upgrade whatever it is required, while the rest of 365 days you would have no jobs to do, I don't know whether it is a job that can earn livable wages, yup even wages of software engineers would go down, because time is money, you get paid by dollars on hour you work, when you work just few weeks out of 365 days, that is the wage you earn, $2000 for a year for your few weeks of work, take it or leave it, you want sustainable you may need to take multiple contract works, definitely not a task to guy who just want to earn stable income and have stable paycheck jobs.

Sum all of the up, you are better off to just be e-celebs or esport celeb or trade crypto than making wage out of software engineers, the final cost would be lower since you need NO IVY LEAGUES education and having to fork out $100k in student loan.

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Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.

Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.

I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?

At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone. Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed. So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story

That's what I want to say, email, smartphones, technological devices or AI...all are just the result of our human advancement. AI has become a remarkable technology, but I believe that in the years to come, even more superior products will be created. Should we continue to worry every time a new technology is created, when its sole purpose is to serve us better? We should not be too stressed or too delusional that this world will be able to function without humans and that someone will replace human rule.

AI is artificial intelligence completely a robot. So a robot can never fully think like a human. It is true that AI will make our jobs much easier and the world of the future will be largely run by robots. However, although Ai is a popular and versatile tool today, in the future I think there will be more powerful tools because today's people always want to innovate. Humans have created many things since ancient times and this will continue in the future. They will be in trouble for those who cannot upgrade themselves over time. And these tools will not create any problem for those who can be updated with time

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Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.

Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.

I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?

At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone. Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed. So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story

That's what I want to say, email, smartphones, technological devices or AI...all are just the result of our human advancement. AI has become a remarkable technology, but I believe that in the years to come, even more superior products will be created. Should we continue to worry every time a new technology is created, when its sole purpose is to serve us better? We should not be too stressed or too delusional that this world will be able to function without humans and that someone will replace human rule.

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Quote from: uneng on November 07, 2023, 11:39:06 AM

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These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I have no doubts AI will replace most of human labor, especially the field of exacts sciences, since AIs are extremely logical and rational, but they do fail on human sciences where the human touch makes all the difference. For that reason, I believe in the future human sciences will be highly appreciated, much more than exact sciences, what means there will be a 180º turn around on how the society and the market evaluates and demands each sector and each profession.

While machines do the hard work, humans are going to occupy their time with pleasant social activities which work directly with another human beings. And I don't think it's going to take a long time until we see this happening. Maybe 10-20 years it's enough.

considering the technology utilized by these AI, even the supposed human touch that many considers to be unique trait to human might be able to be simulated in the future.
even right now AI already can simulate human emotion knowing the ethics and what is wrong it the society. I don't believe it can't do that. I personally agree with elon, AI need regulation otherwise millions will get out of job
but we all know sometime elon action is quite opposite with his words, confronting AI meanwhile also building AI, his self driving car is the thing that gonna end many of taxi drivers job in the future but he never bring out this problem because he's the one that got such technology runs, with regulation, government could keep the technology advancing meanwhile also sparing many people.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

This might happen but not in the near future, maybe these workers who are fearing these comments are long gone before AI really take over the working force and do the job perfectly for human. But for now, and the current technology, it is an overestimation that AI will replace humans in the field of work.

Quote from: Broly46 on November 07, 2023, 04:27:01 PM

The scary thing about AI is, it is always made to be highly disposable, it doesn't need pension, it doesn't need medicine to keep healthy, it doesn't need to sleep, it is much cheaper to just dispose of the AI bot when it begin to go bad, obviously every human workers could also goes bad and their performance would then take a nosedive. When you add all the points together, it become inevitable, wage would goes down even more, people would quit their job and become internet celebrities, wasting time on video games, become esport celebrities, and making funny videos to upload to the internet.

Yes! The AI is the perfect ZERO SUM to the society, it could zero sum every billionaires/govt/authority efforts to build their empires.

Ai needs maintenance and updating. They are also susceptible to bug/hacking attacks. One injection of malware can ruin an AI's program so AI still need to be maintained, upgrade and updated. They may not need things human needs but they have their own shortcomings.

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May be he just take a few peek at some images generated by Stable Diffusion and got shocked by how close to photo realistic the rendered images are, and he start to fantasizing how many of the job would be loss, btw he begin to talk just like another billionaire guy, who are constantly criticize something that he doesn't like. So Elon is now the guy who has very strong criticism against AI.

The scary thing about AI is, it is always made to be highly disposable, it doesn't need pension, it doesn't need medicine to keep healthy, it doesn't need to sleep, it is much cheaper to just dispose of the AI bot when it begin to go bad, obviously every human workers could also goes bad and their performance would then take a nosedive. When you add all the points together, it become inevitable, wage would goes down even more, people would quit their job and become internet celebrities, wasting time on video games, become esport celebrities, and making funny videos to upload to the internet.

Yes! The AI is the perfect ZERO SUM to the society, it could zero sum every billionaires/govt/authority efforts to build their empires.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I have no doubts AI will replace most of human labor, especially the field of exacts sciences, since AIs are extremely logical and rational, but they do fail on human sciences where the human touch makes all the difference. For that reason, I believe in the future human sciences will be highly appreciated, much more than exact sciences, what means there will be a 180º turn around on how the society and the market evaluates and demands each sector and each profession.

While machines do the hard work, humans are going to occupy their time with pleasant social activities which work directly with another human beings. And I don't think it's going to take a long time until we see this happening. Maybe 10-20 years it's enough.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I have been hearing since my childhood that these man-made robots or artificial intelligence will control people in the future. Although I don't know if it will be true, there are some indications that artificial intelligence is reducing human workplaces.
Still, I don't think artificial intelligence can impact all sectors of the human workplace. Moreover, if people use AI as their slave, such as chat GPT, starting from article writing, all the programs that used to take a long time to do are being done easily through it. We actually need to acquire the techniques through which we can make ourselves more skilled with AI. Also, I don't care much about Elon Musk's statement because I heard that he wants to implant neuro-links in humans that can be used for fight to artificial intelligence. I have a big doubt about their main goal I think the bad sides of Neurolink will outweigh the positives.

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I recently stumbled upon a local article that had a list of 10 human jobs that AI robots cannot replace. The following is the translated version in outline:

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- Creative work
- Jobs that require empathy
- Jobs that require social skills
- Jobs that require complex decision making
- Jobs that require special physical skills

- Jobs that require interaction with the environment
- Jobs that require ethics
- Jobs that requires trust
- Jobs that require physical presence
- Jobs that require team work

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In fact, our predictive ability is limited, so we cannot imagine how fast AI will develop in the next few decades. Just like before the era of electricity, people couldn't imagine that they could talk to people far away without physical contact.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on November 07, 2023, 03:49:35 AM

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Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.

Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.

I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?

At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone. Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed. So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story

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Quote from: Huppercase on November 04, 2023, 09:43:59 AM

However, I'm concerned about how lazy people will become if they depend on this AI of a thing. People now use AI to write articles, do research and also assignment and this is going to a challenge because it will make student become too lazy to do things on their own. Imagine having a graduate who use AI to write an article throughout his entire time in school can't write it by himself after graduation. Who is going to impact real knowledge to the younger generations. Real Education will die with the revolution of AI.

Teachers shouldn't allow students to rely entirely on AI for completing their school task. If students become too dependent on chatbot based AI for their tasks, it means the teacher failed to provide genuine knowledge and authentic work. When students use AI for their assignments, teachers should also consider using AI to disqualify students who rely on AI excessively.

Chatbot-based AI can now be detected using various tools... however, some content detection AI tools have limitations, and their accuracy might be compromised without additional reference tools.

The use of Ai in education can enhance learning efficiency, but it should be used carefully. evaluations are necessary when integrating AI into education because not everyone can effectively utilize AI, even if the intention is good.

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