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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on November 09, 2023, 01:07:06 PM

It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.

Can you actually produce any logical argument on why all the jobs you mentioned can't be automated? What is it that humans can do that is impossible to be made by AI/robots?
So far this thread is full of wishful thinking and empty phrases with no real substance.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 08:30:33 AM

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

If people directly involved in developing AI tell you it's a potential huge threat, than maybe you should take it seriously.
What makes an AI an AI is the ability to learn and expand on it's own, and it could do it exponentially. AI is not just a database that filters out results according to a prompt. And no, it's not always created with the best intentions in mind, it could very well also be used to gain geopolitical advantage of one country over others.
From materialistic point of view, there's nothing special about humans. We are just a biological robots that could be replaced by something better, more efficient and designed for a special purpose.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 08:30:33 AM

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required

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Quote from: terrific on November 09, 2023, 02:20:10 AM

Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 06:16:02 PM

AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

Quote from: terrific on November 08, 2023, 05:04:30 PM

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 10:28:19 AM

During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Well, you should overestimate Ilona. He is an ordinary person, just like you and me. He has a lot of strange fantasies and vices: does everyone remember that he slept with Cara Delevingne and Amber Heard at the same time? He is a pcst and a very smart person, but at the same time a visionary and a speculator. He speculated with tweets, earning a lot of money.
Do you remember the genius Vitalik Buterin doing something like that? I'm not.

In general, we must not forget that these geniuses are also people, and they cannot predict the future.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 02:52:35 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 08, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

The movies aren't exaggerating there's a real risk to humans if we don't have frame works to regulate AI. If ppl know what's allowed they'll stick to the rules or else they'll go beyond limits. When it's about AI we shouldn't take it with a relaxed outlook because it's serious.

Yes, I know that there's a certain fact from those movies and the situation that we might be in the future. I think that the responsibility are with those developing companies that are into robots and AI. The integration that they make with it should be regulated so that they won't go that far but are we going to stop them with that? no.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 08, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

If AI's going to be sentient it's always going to be a risk to humans so there's a possibility AI's going to turn against humanity.

The possibility is there but I won't be thinking that it will come to that point. We're still superior on this matter and I'm sure that those exaggerations won't come and I hope that it won't. Well, the potential is there but I don't want to think about that situation.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 09, 2023, 02:54:27 AM

Quote from: terrific on November 09, 2023, 02:20:10 AM

Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

You should brace for the worst my friend, the AI threat is real if you are an employee, although there is a limit to what they can do. But if not well regulated, it would surely affect the labour market. Whether people exaggerate or not, it's evident around us now and I'm certain that with much development of AIs in some sectors, it might take about 75% of the workforce, it's already happening though people have not started seeing it. AI is just like a human on its own, only that it can't feel but would practically do all that humans could do if it could be coded and built for that task. There is an FX company, one of my mains that is now dealing with clients with AI and this is with over 95% of the deals according to my recent experience.

This ranges from whatever service you can think of to the point I now wonder if there is still a human being there, all fully automated now but was fully manual before. Imagine, such a company would have laid off hundreds of employees but would have gotten away since the world has not started seeing it as an offence or a threat. Thankfully, there are AI conferences many times a year, such started recently by world powers, and I believe it's a way to find a lasting solution to this potential menace.

I'm aware of its potential but I wouldn't scare of the innovation that it's going to offer in the real life. The ones that should be threatened are those that are passive and are not willing to upscale their skills.
And the other guy who has said that there are certain labors that it can't replace and that's why it's not going to that extent that everything will be replaced by it.
But you're right, to those that don't skill up, they should embrace for the worst as they're not prepared for it.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on November 08, 2023, 02:57:05 AM

AI is artificial intelligence completely a robot. So a robot can never fully think like a human. It is true that AI will make our jobs much easier and the world of the future will be largely run by robots. However, although Ai is a popular and versatile tool today, in the future I think there will be more powerful tools because today's people always want to innovate. Humans have created many things since ancient times and this will continue in the future. They will be in trouble for those who cannot upgrade themselves over time. And these tools will not create any problem for those who can be updated with time

There are so many opportunities that are now available through AI. I think that AI may rule the world. I sometimes wonder what will happen to ordinary workers when all businesses are run by AI. Will ordinary workers lose their jobs? I don't know if they will lose it or what they will do. But now almost people are enjoying many kinds of benefits using AI. I hope to see AI in a more powerful form in the future.

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Quote from: terrific on November 09, 2023, 02:20:10 AM

Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 06:16:02 PM

AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

Quote from: terrific on November 08, 2023, 05:04:30 PM

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

You should brace for the worst my friend, the AI threat is real if you are an employee, although there is a limit to what they can do. But if not well regulated, it would surely affect the labour market. Whether people exaggerate or not, it's evident around us now and I'm certain that with much development of AIs in some sectors, it might take about 75% of the workforce, it's already happening though people have not started seeing it. AI is just like a human on its own, only that it can't feel but would practically do all that humans could do if it could be coded and built for that task. There is an FX company, one of my mains that is now dealing with clients with AI and this is with over 95% of the deals according to my recent experience.

This ranges from whatever service you can think of to the point I now wonder if there is still a human being there, all fully automated now but was fully manual before. Imagine, such a company would have laid off hundreds of employees but would have gotten away since the world has not started seeing it as an offence or a threat. Thankfully, there are AI conferences many times a year, such started recently by world powers, and I believe it's a way to find a lasting solution to this potential menace.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 06:16:02 PM

AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

Quote from: terrific on November 08, 2023, 05:04:30 PM

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

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Quote from: STT on November 08, 2023, 05:40:53 PM

Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.
The introduction of anything close to free energy would far more alter the entire economy and change work as we know it imo. That change is not apparently close by but neither is AI gigantically replacing human capabilities imo. Enhancement is more the aspect is how we should consider AI

thats right so far its all about enhancing effectiveness of workforce with AI, never seen it completely replace job other than the repetitive ones like those in factories.
but even then doesn't mean that it will stay like this forever, there's definitely some company out there developing AI capable of replacing human labor that gonna eventually being released to the public.
the fact that tesla's robot movement highly resemble of a human might be a factor that reflects whether these AI could completely replace human or not because I see it definitely can.
I would never underestimate the capability of AI in doing things, back then many people said that jobs being replaced by these robots are just a fud but it happens now.

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AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

Quote from: terrific on November 08, 2023, 05:04:30 PM

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

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Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.
The introduction of anything close to free energy would far more alter the entire economy and change work as we know it imo. That change is not apparently close by but neither is AI gigantically replacing human capabilities imo. Enhancement is more the aspect is how we should consider AI

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Oh good ole Elon Musk, talking out of his ass per usual. I hope that I'm not alone when it comes to knowing that this man is completely full of shit and talks out of his ass constantly.

That being said I do agree with him that AI will become a threat to many aspects of our life. That being said true AI hasn't been created yet, so we shall see where things land as "AI" turns in to AGI. When it becomes self learning, then the game will really change.

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No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 03, 2023, 10:36:49 AM

I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo.

AI is human made, nothing of human made is perfect. So, it is impossible to expect AI replacing every job. There are some jobs that require specific skills that can be done by human only. Nursing, therapists, psychologists, and lecturer are some examples of jobs that seem impossible to replace by AI. Even though AI can do it, I doubt the level of accuracy of what AI can do on the jobs. AI should have have some limitations in terms of flexibility.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on November 08, 2023, 08:05:59 AM

I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.

Well, regardless of our ignorance due to seeing too many fictional movies or whatever, AI has now developed beyond expectations.
For example, maybe in this case I often edit photos or videos, especially for things that are podcasts or advertisements in the form of banners. It used to take me quite a long time to create a design or edit material suitable for making one video or photo so that I could commercialize it but for now with the help of AI I only need even less than half an hour to make it a satisfying result so in this case the development is indeed apart from being profitable this can be scary because for the future it is not impossible with the existence of AI there are many things that can be exceeded even beyond our capabilities.
I like developments like this because this is proof that technology is advancing but on the other hand if we are only fixated and cannot adjust properly when technology and innovation are increasingly sophisticated then it is not impossible that we can be replaced by AI.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on November 05, 2023, 02:06:07 AM

Possible downsides of AI are:

they work without responsibility.
they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.

Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.

There would be exemptions or simply have its drawbacks on which i would be mainly be emphasizing about versatility and the ability on making out some adjustments basing up on the situation because we humans could really normally be that be able to make decisions which we do know that it would really be something beneficial for us and trying out not to put ourselves in trouble. As for efficiency then there's no doubt that you would really be able to rely with those AI results or doings on which it is something to be more precise. It is really that something good for a specific tasks or application.

Quote from: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 07:10:42 AM

AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

When it comes to assesment on actual life situation then there's no way that AI could really be able to beat up humans specially on handling out situations
and making some decisions on point. There's always that fine line in between their capabilities and come to think that humans are creators of AI
so there's no comparison on here.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 08, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

The movies aren't exaggerating there's a real risk to humans if we don't have frame works to regulate AI. If ppl know what's allowed they'll stick to the rules or else they'll go beyond limits. When it's about AI we shouldn't take it with a relaxed outlook because it's serious.

Quote from: passwordnow on November 08, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

If AI's going to be sentient it's always going to be a risk to humans so there's a possibility AI's going to turn against humanity.

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