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Retro72 you really are a slimeball. You know very well i am not in UK and cannot afford to take you to court and all costs involved for the 500 dollars, it will cost me more to court you, and you know this.  your a disgusting human being! You can tell CID all you want they will laugh at you, because you are the scammer.

It costs £80 Raj. Apparently you can afford to give me $500, pay $10000 for a Viper but cannot afford an £80 small claim  Shocked
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I said i hadnt bought a device, but later when hashrate increased to 250mhash I ordered the device in May time, when some orders Alpha had left over i had taken. I paid 100% not just a deposit. I took the leap of faith.

You might need to do better than this. Alpha never took orders in May. They announced the performance increase on 27th of May https://alpha-t.net/news/performance-increase/

They said they would reopen pre-orders when the payment processor was up in a news update 20th of JUNE https://alpha-t.net/news/viper-update-20062014/

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Therefore our development isn’t delayed by this and if we end up with extra units they will first be offered to existing customers and if they still haven’t been taken up they will then be put up for sale to the public. For those interested in joining batch 1 or purchasing additional devices be advised there is still availability and orders will open at the same time as the payment processor being up

The payment processor went live for a couple of days from 15th of JULY  https://alpha-t.net/news/payment-processor-update-15072014/

No pre-orders were taken. But you carry on Raj, the more you post the more your story falls apart.
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Retro you are sounding so pathetic now that you have been exposed.

I said i hadnt bought a device, but later when hashrate increased to 250mhash I ordered the device in May time, when some orders Alpha had left over i had taken. I paid 100% not just a deposit. I took the leap of faith.

How could i be an Alpha shilling? I fucking hate Alpha, i want my money back from you and them. My order number is 11681.

You are turning this on me with your lies because you were exposed.

Why would you mention these phonecalls now? I dont understand you said 'police' said you are not allowed to tell forum?

I had pm'd and emailed you that yes i think Alpha have fucked me, and i was brought in like many of you, till the delays showed. Just because i liked them before does not mean i like them now. And you showed sympathy and told me you would claim for me.

Retro, the police should be called to you nobody else.  You now say 500 dollars is nothing to you, yet why did you do this?

You may be in the UK but I WILL GET MY JUSTICE. YOU lieing idiot. Calling me Alpha Tech, anybody else can make up their mind. But do not say i warned others. Paying more to get money back is never an approach it is a scam you scam artist.

You are really hurt because i didnt delete my post ? I dont want 200 dollars back. I do not care about this small amount, i want it all back, i want my justice Nick.

You are happy now that someone believes your bullshit? I have no reason to lie, what is benefit? I have job and kids, unlike you scammer.

Saved for Surrey CID.

Raj. If I have your money please follow the advice I have given everyone here, start a claim against me using moneyclaim online. You have my name and address. It's pretty easy and you can use a service address if you are not in the country. I walk you through the process here: www.abunchacrap.com. Ironically, details can also be found on www.fightalpha.net.

I'm surprised this was not your first action rather than posting here. I'll happily see you in court, bring any evidence you have with you, even better post it here for all to see.

I think its clear what's going on here and I'm not going to be goaded by you, every thing you now write is being passed on to Surrey CID so please continue. You're just building your own criminal case. I look forward to seeing  any evidence you care to provide and happily await a court date.

Cheers

Nick

Retro72 you really are a slimeball. You know very well i am not in UK and cannot afford to take you to court and all costs involved for the 500 dollars, it will cost me more to court you, and you know this.  your a disgusting human being! You can tell CID all you want they will laugh at you, because you are the scammer.
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@ raj_kapur

After reading retro72's replies, your story is loosing credibility fast.  You should provide here:

1. Transaction id showing that you sent $500 in BTC
2. Messages from retro72 requesting $500 to help you
3. Messages from retro72 offering to refund $200

I realize # 2 and 3 can be faked, and #1 is not hard evidence unless the addresses can be linked to both people.  At this point, I believe retro72.
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Retro you are sounding so pathetic now that you have been exposed.

I said i hadnt bought a device, but later when hashrate increased to 250mhash I ordered the device in May time, when some orders Alpha had left over i had taken. I paid 100% not just a deposit. I took the leap of faith.

How could i be an Alpha shilling? I fucking hate Alpha, i want my money back from you and them. My order number is 11681.

You are turning this on me with your lies because you were exposed.

Why would you mention these phonecalls now? I dont understand you said 'police' said you are not allowed to tell forum?

I had pm'd and emailed you that yes i think Alpha have fucked me, and i was brought in like many of you, till the delays showed. Just because i liked them before does not mean i like them now. And you showed sympathy and told me you would claim for me.

Retro, the police should be called to you nobody else.  You now say 500 dollars is nothing to you, yet why did you do this?

You may be in the UK but I WILL GET MY JUSTICE. YOU lieing idiot. Calling me Alpha Tech, anybody else can make up their mind. But do not say i warned others. Paying more to get money back is never an approach it is a scam you scam artist.

You are really hurt because i didnt delete my post ? I dont want 200 dollars back. I do not care about this small amount, i want it all back, i want my justice Nick.

You are happy now that someone believes your bullshit? I have no reason to lie, what is benefit? I have job and kids, unlike you scammer.

Saved for Surrey CID.

Raj. If I have your money please follow the advice I have given everyone here, start a claim against me using moneyclaim online. You have my name and address. It's pretty easy and you can use a service address if you are not in the country. I walk you through the process here: www.abunchacrap.com. Ironically, details can also be found on www.fightalpha.net.

I'm surprised this was not your first action rather than posting here. I'll happily see you in court, bring any evidence you have with you, even better post it here for all to see.

I think its clear what's going on here and I'm not going to be goaded by you, every thing you now write is being passed on to Surrey CID so please continue. You're just building your own criminal case. I look forward to seeing  any evidence you care to provide and happily await a court date.

Cheers

Nick
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that makes complete sense.

if this person is telling the truth there are records.

My apologies for not bothering to check this out before bitching you out.

That was stupid and I take full responsibility for that.  No excuse.

Thanks Simon. This is some pretty low shit. I'm absolutely fuming. These guys truly are scum.
Retro you are sounding so pathetic now that you have been exposed.

I said i hadnt bought a device, but later when hashrate increased to 250mhash I ordered the device in May time, when some orders Alpha had left over i had taken. I paid 100% not just a deposit. I took the leap of faith.

How could i be an Alpha shilling? I fucking hate Alpha, i want my money back from you and them. My order number is 11681.

You are turning this on me with your lies because you were exposed.

Why would you mention these phonecalls now? I dont understand you said 'police' said you are not allowed to tell forum?

I had pm'd and emailed you that yes i think Alpha have fucked me, and i was brought in like many of you, till the delays showed. Just because i liked them before does not mean i like them now. And you showed sympathy and told me you would claim for me.

Retro, the police should be called to you nobody else.  You now say 500 dollars is nothing to you, yet why did you do this?

You may be in the UK but I WILL GET MY JUSTICE. YOU lieing idiot. Calling me Alpha Tech, anybody else can make up their mind. But do not say i warned others. Paying more to get money back is never an approach it is a scam you scam artist.

You are really hurt because i didnt delete my post ? I dont want 200 dollars back. I do not care about this small amount, i want it all back, i want my justice Nick.

You are happy now that someone believes your bullshit? I have no reason to lie, what is benefit? I have job and kids, unlike you scammer.
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that makes complete sense.

if this person is telling the truth there are records.

My apologies for not bothering to check this out before bitching you out.

That was stupid and I take full responsibility for that.  No excuse.

Thanks Simon. This is some pretty low shit. I'm absolutely fuming. These guys truly are scum.
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This is how you're going to play it Alpha?..........OK

I'll tell you how this all went down and you can make your own minds up.

As everyone knows I have been pretty vocal in my opposition to Alpha. Raj_Kapur on the other hand has been a shill from the start. Read his posts on the litecointalk forum.

This is what he wrote about me https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=2859.msg160161#msg160161
Litecoinninja, and mainly Retro. You keep commenting non-stop on this forum negative bs, when you get proven wrong you move onto something else. Okay we understand what your saying... most likely you are competitor's friends, or are indeed the other projects members. It is only 2 PEOPLE, who are constantly posting this stuff.. i am mainly looking at RETRO, he is on this forum and bitcointalk forum, non-stop negativity.

It is clear Retro is part of another competitor's project or something else. Because if he actually cared about what a real scam was, he would be on Jasinlee's forum, who is jasin working with? what is jasin's name? or address? or company name???.. you don't even know the basics on jasinlee besides from a one person team.

That is the truth.

+9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 SO TRUE! (sorry guys been in Goa, holidays with the families.. i didn't buy a device cudnt afford)

So I'm going to let you into the sequence of events over the last couple of weeks leading up to today.

Friday 14th NOV approx 12.20 AM: I receive a call to my home office phone repeating my username over and over in text to phone disguised voice. I hadn't answered the call so it was left as a message

Friday 14th Nov 01.32 AM: I receive another voicemail message saying: "Retro72 you are not anonymous". They then go on to state my full name and address, my wife's name then say " If you do not stop your online harassment we will take action"

I then start to get hang up calls.

Because the phone is an unused line in my office I hardly hear it so I didn't realise these messages were there until a week later. All the calls are being redirected in some way so the numbers are gobbledygook. I have saved the threat to my answerphone and once I figure out how to get a clear recording onto my PC I'll upload it.

I'm not a guy that's easily intimidated but I thought it best I report it to the police. Which I have done. Please contact Surrey police to verify this, the incident number is 4514 0100 237
They said there was not much they could do as there was only one recorded incident. I had deleted the first retro72 call before I listened to the second more threatening call. I was advised not to share this incident with the forum as it would likely confirm to Alpha they had the right target.

Well as of today with these posts Alpha have now committed a criminal offence. My incident has been kicked up to CID and is being investigated as harassment via electronic communications. So well done Alpha you probably couldn't go to prison before, but you can now. Bravo. I have also alerted CID to your asic scam so another pat on the back.

Now to the allegations I scammed Raj_Kapur or anyone else for that matter.

Why would I help an obvious Alpha shill?
Why would I only take money from you and not anyone else?
Can you please show the bitcoin wallet you sent this money to?
Post emails of any communications I had with you?

I have advised many people on this forum and LTCtalk and have not once asked for a penny in fact as many will attest when I was offered a donation I asked it be sent to Sea Sheperd

Hi IAS,

If the letter helps to get your money back and you want to make a small donation, I'd really appreciate it if you would make it to Sea Shepherd at
https://www.seashepherd.org.au/support-us/support-us.html#bitcoin

I wish you the best of luck.

Cheers

R

Great idea!
I will send my letter on the 1st of the month.

Best
IAS

This is probably the most disgusting dick move played by Alpha to date. The police are now all over them and if you hadn't already figured out what a bunch of pathetic scumbags these guys are. Well here's your proof. Please google earth my address. Does it look like the house of a kid that pulls off shitty $500 scams online  Roll Eyes
Yep I've started several businesses and legally dissolved them. No muss no fuss. No scams or frauds, unlike these arseholes. Now I'm a pretty successful freelance Illustrator, my work can be seen at www.nickyjoseph.com I also own and run www.virtuawear.com a digital sportswear illustration business.

WHO ARE YOU RAJ? I'm sure the CID will be requesting all the details from BTCtalk so we'll find out soon enough. If you want to believe an Alpha shill with 2 posts to his name and fifty others on ltctalk pumping up Alpha so be it. There's nothing I can do about that. But Alpha calling my home, leaving threatening messages, posting my contact details online and trying to solicit trolling and threats against me, is pretty fucking low.

I'm pretty fuming and disgusted right now but I'm going to let the police handle this. Ironically I had pretty much decided to leave Alpha alone and concentrate on my dispute with KNC, then I got the threats.  But REST ASSURED ALPHA I will now make it my life's mission to see you dragged before the courts.





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Have they updated or specified any shipping date in the last update?
Whats making delay since the last 2 weeks?
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Just send me $250 in Bitcoin and I will get your money back from retro72 Smiley
Sick thing you got scammed twice, hope you'll at least recoup the $500 and manage to file a claim directly against AT to get the rest back also.
www.fightalpha.net has all the instructions (for free!).

The b****rd Retro72 is playing a very clever strategy where he is making use of a anonymous character and bad situation for customers so he makes money from false hopes of me getting my almost $10k in money i paid alpha. I was told the $500 is peanuts compared to what i was guaranteed, so it was very enticing.
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Hey Guys,

Some of you may remember me from the litecointalk forum, i was a big supporter of Alpha Technology until the delays happened, now I am on the other side of the fence and i was unfortunate to have ordered the 1 x 250Mhashing device. In a bid to get all my money back I had seen the posts from retro72 on this forum as he was saying PM him for more information, so i pm'd him. He was very determined to help me and to cut the story short said he would help file money claims for me and also get me a UK legal representative (his wife Veronica)  as back-up to get me my money back, he said he had helped many people get their money back through this approach and it would 100% work. I had listened to Retro72 and he said he knew exactly what to do and would do all this for a fee of $500. It has been 2 weeks and I do not get any PM replies or email replies from Retro72, he has scammed me and i would like to ask him why he did this, and to please give my money back (I paid him via BTC). Has anybody else fallen for Retro72? if so what do you advice i do?

The b****rd Retro72 is playing a very clever strategy where he is making use of a anonymous character and bad situation for customers so he makes money from false hopes of me getting my almost $10k in money i paid alpha. I was told the $500 is peanuts compared to what i was guaranteed, so it was very enticing.

I  have been taken for a ride both ways, and it has been very depressing. The email Retro72 told me to privately email, I had googled this email and found he is registered domain on the same email address, and after further digging through many database websites I have found his full private details (i googled map his address), I suggest someone who has money and has also been scammed by Retro72 to take this further, he is not anonymous, Retro i know who you are! and I will get justice. He also has an accomplice named Veronica, who he claims is his wife and is a barrister who deals with the legal aspects so they can guarantee me my money back.

Anyway for anyone who has been also scammed by retro72 here is his details, so you can make your own claims and contact actionfraud, like i have done. If you have been scammed by retro you can ring him directly and confront him!  (i know the number works as i have rang it before).


His email: [email protected]

name and UK address:

Nick Joseph   
Chartwood House
Bagshot Road
Chobham, Surrey
GU24 8SJ
UK

Tel: +44.01276488145



On the alpha front, i have found a legal helper on another forum who is advising me for free on how to get my $9k dollars back for my 1 x 250Mhash device, i will let you all know how it progresses.
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They claim they each chip runs at 1.5Mh/s with 12 chips per board that's only 18Mh/s. So the 50Mh/s units have 3 boards and the 250Mh/s units will have 14 boards? Something is not adding up here. The Viper case is going to hold 14 boards? Is this correct? From the case dimensions they've given this doesn't seam to make sense. Can someone shed any light on the topic?
That is correct. The CAD drawings of the case for the 250 MH miner show 15 hashing boards

Quite how they are connecting the boards to 10 power connections isn't clear. However, the boards have 2 power connectors - possibly they are connecting the boards in groups of 3, with the 1st and 3rd connecting to the power ports, and then the middle board connecting to boards 1 & 3.

That would explain why their test board only had 1 PCI-e connector attached. If it's not been used in a miner, and only used for testing, it only needs 1 power port.
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You're knocking on something I hit on back in June. Presume they're running 7.5 watts per mh, that's 1875 watts total. The photo they've been showing is of a ~19" case @ 4U (7"). This has 10 6xPCIE power ports, each rated at 75 watts. There's nowhere else in their design, or any photos, for any supplemental power. This limits that device to a nominal 750 watts, or, 100mh.

This would mean the photos are of a 50mh unit, AND/OR something in their design isn't right, AND/OR they plan on burning up power ports, AND/OR their chips are the most efficient in the world and run far less than projected. The PCB shown looks to be roughly 15x5", which means that there wouldn't be any room left in the case for more boards once you add heatsinks.

This would mean that physically, the case pictured, can only hold about 120 chips, which according to their projections is 180mh. To reach 250mh, they'd have to overclock by 39% which means an even higher wattage use.

For a 10 board @ 12 chip case to push 250mh, each chip would have to run at 2.1mh. For it to be within allowable CE spec for the 6xPCIE connector, they couldn't be pushing more than 3watts per 1mh. Anyone familiar with KNC's recent fiascos with the 6xPCIE's will know what happens when they're pushed too far.

To give an idea of current real-world at-the-wall ratings reported by folks:

Gridseed GC3355 55nm: 26.9w/mh
KNC Titan 28nm: 5w/mh

AlphaTech's gear would have to be almost twice as efficient as KNC's to meet their "fastest and most efficient" claims, AS WELL as actually shipping the advertised hashrate per box. Not saying it's impossible, but there's a lacking probability.


Yes, we talked about this a while back. Alpha are using 40nm technology so I'd be interested to see their real world power consumption figures. Don't even get me started on stuffing 14 boards into that case. I don't see how they're going to do it and still get heatsinks in. As I pointed out with photos in this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0 every other manufacturer has A LOT more space for heatsinks and cooling.  They're going to need the worlds most efficient chips to stick 168 of them into that case without the whole thing going up like a Roman candle.

But we're assuming they're going to ship anything at all, which at this point is highly unlikely so the point is probably moot.
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Just caught something from looking carefully at Alpha-T announcements.

They claim they each chip runs at 1.5Mh/s with 12 chips per board that's only 18Mh/s. So the 50Mh/s units have 3 boards and the 250Mh/s units will have 14 boards? Something is not adding up here. The Viper case is going to hold 14 boards? Is this correct? From the case dimensions they've given this doesn't seam to make sense. Can someone shed any light on the topic?

That's working out to 135 Watts at 120V per board of 12 chips. Hmm, let me run some more numbers.  

EDIT: So that's 1Mh/s running at 11.3 Watts? Math was never my strong suit. Alpha is advertising 7.5 Watts per 1Mh/s. Surprise surprise!

You're knocking on something I hit on back in June. Presume they're running 7.5 watts per mh, that's 1875 watts total. The photo they've been showing is of a ~19" case @ 4U (7"). This has 10 6xPCIE power ports, each rated at 75 watts. There's nowhere else in their design, or any photos, for any supplemental power. This limits that device to a nominal 750 watts, or, 100mh.

This would mean the photos are of a 50mh unit, AND/OR something in their design isn't right, AND/OR they plan on burning up power ports, AND/OR their chips are the most efficient in the world and run far less than projected. The PCB shown looks to be roughly 15x5", which means that there wouldn't be any room left in the case for more boards once you add heatsinks.

This would mean that physically, the case pictured, can only hold about 120 chips, which according to their projections is 180mh. To reach 250mh, they'd have to overclock by 39% which means an even higher wattage use.

For a 10 board @ 12 chip case to push 250mh, each chip would have to run at 2.1mh. For it to be within allowable CE spec for the 6xPCIE connector, they couldn't be pushing more than 3watts per 1mh. Anyone familiar with KNC's recent fiascos with the 6xPCIE's will know what happens when they're pushed too far.

To give an idea of current real-world at-the-wall ratings reported by folks:

Gridseed GC3355 55nm: 26.9w/mh
KNC Titan 28nm: 5w/mh

AlphaTech's gear would have to be almost twice as efficient as KNC's to meet their "fastest and most efficient" claims, AS WELL as actually shipping the advertised hashrate per box. Not saying it's impossible, but there's a lacking probability.

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Yea, I'm guessing "what to do when the package arrives", is probably not something any of you will have to worry about.  Just sayin.

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Just caught something from looking carefully at Alpha-T announcements.

They claim they each chip runs at 1.5Mh/s with 12 chips per board that's only 18Mh/s. So the 50Mh/s units have 3 boards and the 250Mh/s units will have 14 boards? Something is not adding up here. The Viper case is going to hold 14 boards? Is this correct? From the case dimensions they've given this doesn't seam to make sense. Can someone shed any light on the topic?

That's working out to 135 Watts at 120V per board of 12 chips. Hmm, let me run some more numbers.  

EDIT: So that's 1Mh/s running at 11.3 Watts? Math was never my strong suit. Alpha is advertising 7.5 Watts per 1Mh/s. Surprise surprise!

I've been pointing this out for a while. The case has room for 10 PCI-e power connectors on the back.
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