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legendary
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November 21, 2012, 09:25:36 AM
[Speculation and comments based on opinion]
With the stated schedule closing in, I think the first wave of refunds is about to start.

People are starting to turn into "concerned customers" on the company forum. (err I mean "trolls" in company speak)

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The smaller purchasers haven't seemingly figured out that the Jally and Little Singles are pretty unprofitable the longer they wait to receive them. (after block halving that is). It seems like an inescapable reality that customers will eventually do the math and figure it out.

What BFL will do about it to turn lemons into lemonade is gonna be pretty interesting.

I think the PCB's costs more than the ASIC chips themselves. Probably why they encouraged people turning their Jally's into Little Singles.

so by your definition, less speed = slower ROI?
considering that the 30ghs rig is 50% cheaper then the 60ghs rig, i fail to see how you can get too that conclusion...

how profitable anything is going to be is pure speculation, who knows, with the halving coming the price might double, it could plummit, gpu farms might shut down, etcetcetc...

like i said, speculation
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Badonkadonk

You heard one of BFL representatives stating repeatedly in the last month that they had done the math and the profitability is stretched out over many days. They were referring to a Single SC and a ROI over a significant period of time. (Hence, the pitch that It was a selling point on their "energy efficiency".)

If you cut the performance in half for a Little Single do you expect it to get better? What about even further than that for a Jally?

As difficulty rises, the performance has to rise otherwise a Jally or Little Single produces significantly less as the time frame increases.

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Sure it is speculation. But I don't estimate difficulty to go down as time increases. Should I expect it [difficulty] will somehow decrease as time increases? (Let me know)

Perhaps Armageddon or another Super Sized  Sandy will hit various regions of the world and people won't be mining to bring up the difficulty. Perhaps a crazy thing like that might keep the difficulty down.
hero member
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November 21, 2012, 08:42:32 AM
That's what you get if you calculate by opinion instead of figures. So by your opinion any asic is no longer giving a roi after the block halving. Have you cancelled your (bctfpga) order yet? Oh no wait, you were just trolling, right?
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
November 21, 2012, 08:24:43 AM
[Speculation and comments based on opinion]
With the stated schedule closing in, I think the first wave of refunds is about to start.

People are starting to turn into "concerned customers" on the company forum. (err I mean "trolls" in company speak)

------------------

The smaller purchasers haven't seemingly figured out that the Jally and Little Singles are pretty unprofitable the longer they wait to receive them. (after block halving that is). It seems like an inescapable reality that customers will eventually do the math and figure it out.

What BFL will do about it to turn lemons into lemonade is gonna be pretty interesting.

I think the PCB's costs more than the ASIC chips themselves. Probably why they encouraged people turning their Jally's into Little Singles.

so by your definition, less speed = slower ROI?
considering that the 30ghs rig is 50% cheaper then the 60ghs rig, i fail to see how you can get too that conclusion...

how profitable anything is going to be is pure speculation, who knows, with the halving coming the price might double, it could plummit, gpu farms might shut down, etcetcetc...

like i said, speculation
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
November 21, 2012, 07:47:51 AM
[Speculation and comments based on opinion]
With the stated schedule closing in, I think the first wave of refunds is about to start.

People are starting to turn into "concerned customers" on the company forum. (err I mean "trolls" in company speak)

------------------

The smaller purchasers haven't seemingly figured out that the Jally and Little Singles are pretty unprofitable the longer they wait to receive them. (after block halving that is). It seems like an inescapable reality that customers will eventually do the math and figure it out.

What BFL will do about it to turn lemons into lemonade is gonna be pretty interesting.

I think the PCB's costs more than the ASIC chips themselves. Probably why they encouraged people turning their Jally's into Little Singles.
hero member
Activity: 568
Merit: 500
November 21, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Josh has just stated on BFL forums that preorders will be shipped "By the end of January assuming no snags or anything." Cheesy
The question he answered to was: "Is there a realistic time frame of when you will have "all" the initial pre-ordered ASIC's shipped?"
hero member
Activity: 560
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November 21, 2012, 05:09:59 AM
Josh has just stated on BFL forums that preorders will be shipped "By the end of January assuming no snags or anything." Cheesy
sr. member
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November 21, 2012, 04:28:05 AM
...now who's the pessimist? Shocked
legendary
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November 21, 2012, 02:57:18 AM
YES! DAMMIT YES!

...it may however be Christmas 2023.
FTFY.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
November 21, 2012, 02:12:32 AM
Getting a refund from BFL is all the sudden looking more attractive.  Smiley I'm going to wait it out a little bit longer, but I just received this email from BTCFPGA:

"Hello, you are receiving this offer because you have expressed interest in our product by going through the ordering process with us.  Since we did not receive your payment, you will not get your order.

Many of you have established very good shipping position with your original order, and we don't want you to miss out!  If you have already re-ordered by making a new order, we thank you for that.  If you missed out and want to take advantage of your reserved position, now you can!  

Here's what you have to do:

Log into your account with BTCFPGA.com.
Make a new order, paying with either BTC or Credit Card.
Take note of your Expired order(s).
Add the comment: "Reclaiming position for order #" [your order number]

The only rule is that the order must come in on the account that has the expired orders.  Thanks for understanding!

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If you find that your order is Expired, but you actually did pay for it with BTC, please email me directly about this - there have been a few glitches that I'd love to clear up.

Thanks, I hope you are glad to receive this opportunity"
sr. member
Activity: 434
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November 21, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
YES! DAMMIT YES!

...it may however be Christmas 2013.
legendary
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Merit: 1002
November 21, 2012, 12:37:29 AM
Unfortunately a great deal of the crap comes from the BFL employees themselves. Case in point...there are no batches save the first batch.

And that they were to ship in October.

Or wait, November.

I mean December.

Promise.

BFL support said Oct in my first order.
Then it was Nov when I sent an update email and now the shipping date is Dec ?

Gee, will we ever get it before Christmas?
full member
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November 20, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
I'm not holding my breath on shipping dates from BFL.
legendary
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November 20, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Unfortunately a great deal of the crap comes from the BFL employees themselves. Case in point...there are no batches save the first batch.

And that they were to ship in October.

Or wait, November.

I mean December.

Promise.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
November 20, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
Unfortunately a great deal of the crap comes from the BFL employees themselves. Case in point...there are no batches save the first batch.
hero member
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November 20, 2012, 12:27:58 PM

It seems difficult to comprehend that people are this unable to read. 20k chips was MORE than enough for ALL pre-orders placed from June to end of October.


I don't think it's that people can't read, it's wading through 90% of the crap in most of the posts to actually get to the actual important bits of information that's a challenge Smiley

Well, that's fine. I don't know how to be more succinct and to the point than I usually am, but that's my limitation. However, people directly quoted me, and just simply ignored the relevant portion of text, then began grandly theorizing the opposite of stated fact. To me that is an inability (or unwillingness) to read. See quotes below for examples.

It certainly makes no sense to have "no batches" and a "1/3rd" plan.

It was the customers that came up with that plan, not BFL. It was perceived as being the most fair. There is only one batch - the first one. After that, BFL has said they will ship stuff out as soon as they make it.

Why does it matter who came up with it? BFL implemented it. The rest of this text is completely redundant with what I said already. Example #1 here.


It seems difficult to comprehend that people are this unable to read. 20k chips was MORE than enough for ALL pre-orders placed from June to end of October.


I don't think it's that people can't read, it's wading through 90% of the crap in most of the posts to actually get to the actual important bits of information that's a challenge Smiley

Exactly. There's a lot of information scattered everywhere.

I just summed the ASIC chips in the BFL waitlist thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wait-list-bfl-sc-pre-order-information-monarch-orders-too-89685). It's over 7000 ASIC chips and that is just self-reported. Doesn't seem pre-orders are that far off from saturating the first batch...

So rather than take the direct word of a BFL employee speaking about how many orders and chips there are, you look at a thread of unconfirmed self-reporting of people talking about what they're buying, then do some internal voodoo calculations with no basis, and use that instead?

You guys are right, there is a lot of crap to wade through.
sr. member
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November 20, 2012, 09:58:26 AM

It seems difficult to comprehend that people are this unable to read. 20k chips was MORE than enough for ALL pre-orders placed from June to end of October.


I don't think it's that people can't read, it's wading through 90% of the crap in most of the posts to actually get to the actual important bits of information that's a challenge Smiley

Exactly. There's a lot of information scattered everywhere.

I just summed the ASIC chips in the BFL waitlist thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wait-list-bfl-sc-pre-order-information-monarch-orders-too-89685). It's over 7000 ASIC chips and that is just self-reported. Doesn't seem pre-orders are that far off from saturating the first batch...
hero member
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November 20, 2012, 09:30:09 AM
It certainly makes no sense to have "no batches" and a "1/3rd" plan.

It was the customers that came up with that plan, not BFL. It was perceived as being the most fair. There is only one batch - the first one. After that, BFL has said they will ship stuff out as soon as they make it.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
November 19, 2012, 11:04:29 PM

It seems difficult to comprehend that people are this unable to read. 20k chips was MORE than enough for ALL pre-orders placed from June to end of October.


I don't think it's that people can't read, it's wading through 90% of the crap in most of the posts to actually get to the actual important bits of information that's a challenge Smiley
hero member
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Merit: 500
November 19, 2012, 10:53:45 PM

After which they will build X units per day, and ship Y units per day (X could = Y, one would hope) until they have exhausted all remaining pre-orders, and regular orders. This could happen with the 20k chips, or they might be ordering more if demand surpasses stock.


I think the demand is already beyond that 20k batch of ASICs.

that 20K order was probably not placed until after they had 75% of the orders already paid for... then they doubled the needed chips or
something like that. that is why they were first to accept orders and the long delay to actually shipping. they are not idiots over there
and worked this audience to a T.

It seems difficult to comprehend that people are this unable to read. 20k chips was MORE than enough for ALL pre-orders placed from June to end of October.

from 10/30/2012
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Guys (and gals), I am really sorry things are delayed. I want these things to ship more than anyone else (seriously, I promise you, I want these to ship) and the delays are just as hurtful and awful to us as they are to you. We would love nothing more than to ship them all out yesterday.

The first batch should be about 20,000 chips or so. More than enough for all pre-orders and then some.
legendary
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November 19, 2012, 10:26:05 PM

After which they will build X units per day, and ship Y units per day (X could = Y, one would hope) until they have exhausted all remaining pre-orders, and regular orders. This could happen with the 20k chips, or they might be ordering more if demand surpasses stock.


I think the demand is already beyond that 20k batch of ASICs.

that 20K order was probably not placed until after they had 75% of the orders already paid for... then they doubled the needed chips or
something like that. that is why they were first to accept orders and the long delay to actually shipping. they are not idiots over there
and worked this audience to a T.
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