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November 19, 2012, 10:22:15 PM

After which they will build X units per day, and ship Y units per day (X could = Y, one would hope) until they have exhausted all remaining pre-orders, and regular orders. This could happen with the 20k chips, or they might be ordering more if demand surpasses stock.


I think the demand is already beyond that 20k batch of ASICs.

You're free to think that, but it directly contradicts a statement from Inaba/BFL_Josh from only a couple of weeks ago.
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November 19, 2012, 10:10:25 PM

After which they will build X units per day, and ship Y units per day (X could = Y, one would hope) until they have exhausted all remaining pre-orders, and regular orders. This could happen with the 20k chips, or they might be ordering more if demand surpasses stock.


I think the demand is already beyond that 20k batch of ASICs.
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November 19, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
I thought they were the same thing until a couple hours ago. Grin Anyway since presumably(hopefully) no BFL SC products will ship without at least one ASIC chip, I hardly see how the distinction is necessary. Like their convoluted 1/3 shipping policy it seems to be needlessly complex.

It certainly makes no sense to have "no batches" and a "1/3rd" plan.

However it seems as though their communication just sucks, not necessarily that nothing makes sense.

They ordered 20k ASICs, they said that it was enough for "all the pre-orders, and more". Meaning 20k ASICs > orders for ASICs. So, 20k is not a useful number.

They plan to ship 1/3rd, they said that they will ship in some bizarre lump batch, I don't remember the rationale behind. This will be for as many as they can produce in Z amount of time (all very vague and unclear).

After which they will build X units per day, and ship Y units per day (X could = Y, one would hope) until they have exhausted all remaining pre-orders, and regular orders. This could happen with the 20k chips, or they might be ordering more if demand surpasses stock.

It all makes sense, though as one commenter suggested, it hints and under-sized production facilities. C'est la vie.

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We don't have batches.


First batch was quoted to be 20,000 ASICs. Sounds like it's going to take quite a while to turn those all into products. Batch #1 is going to last for months.

I think what your referring to is the ASIC CHIPS only,not the 1st batch of finished product being shipped.I could be wrong  Huh

So... we can guess at about a cash flow of several million held+ interest, without anything even being shipped

Yes and no. If you take into account 20k ASICs are greater than the number of pre-orders you can only use that as an upper bound. With that said, you are also assuming no money has been put towards development, hardware, shipping, salary, facilities, etc, and instead envision it going into a bank account. Unlikely.
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November 19, 2012, 09:19:35 PM
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We don't have batches.

First batch was quoted to be 20,000 ASICs. Sounds like it's going to take quite a while to turn those all into products. Batch #1 is going to last for months.

I think what your referring to is the ASIC CHIPS only,not the 1st batch of finished product being shipped.I could be wrong  Huh

So... we can guess at about a cash flow of several million held+ interest, without anything even being shipped
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November 19, 2012, 08:41:32 PM
I thought they were the same thing until a couple hours ago. Grin Anyway since presumably(hopefully) no BFL SC products will ship without at least one ASIC chip, I hardly see how the distinction is necessary. Like their convoluted 1/3 shipping policy it seems to be needlessly complex.
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November 19, 2012, 08:30:42 PM
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We don't have batches.

First batch was quoted to be 20,000 ASICs. Sounds like it's going to take quite a while to turn those all into products. Batch #1 is going to last for months.

I think what your referring to is the ASIC CHIPS only,not the 1st batch of finished product being shipped.I could be wrong  Huh
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November 19, 2012, 08:10:39 PM
That's probably why there are no batches now. Otherwise some of BFL's jumbo batch 1 customers could receive products after batch 2 bASIC or Avalon customers receive their products.
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November 19, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
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We don't have batches.

First batch was quoted to be 20,000 ASICs. Sounds like it's going to take quite a while to turn those all into products. Batch #1 is going to last for months.
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November 19, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
How...confusing. There are no batches and then there's this gem.

BFL_Josh - 11-19-2012 07:57 PM
I think there was a communication breakdown earlier between CS and myself. There is a first shipment which is the 1/3 plan, which you could call the 1st batch. After that, it's a FIFO method. How many are in the first shipment (aka the 1st batch) we don't know yet.
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November 19, 2012, 07:50:12 PM


Even this nugget from BFL_Josh "If there is work to be done on T-Day, we will be doing it. No turkey shall stand in the way of ASIC progress, this I promise you."

That is no longer true.

Jody has just mentioned the staff will stop working for two days surrounding T-Day.

Check out the Blogs.....

Oh, and the 1/3 plan is history in her latest blog post. Now it doesn't matter when you placed your order....but when you paid it.

Is there any facts to go on in this discussion besides they seem to be making an asic product and have peoples money?
One BFL representative has further stated that the pre-orders should finish shipping by the end of January [clause: if there are no "snags"]. But no start date is given. (It is assumed it will be the planned "5th week of November")

Further, an update from Jody stated that they are still "waiting" on parts.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/entry.php/48-Batches-Really-We-Don-t-Have-Them
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November 19, 2012, 07:45:02 PM


Even this nugget from BFL_Josh "If there is work to be done on T-Day, we will be doing it. No turkey shall stand in the way of ASIC progress, this I promise you."

That is no longer true.

Jody has just mentioned the staff will stop working for two days surrounding T-Day.

Check out the Blogs.....

Oh, and the 1/3 plan is history in her latest blog post. Now it doesn't matter when you placed your order....but when you paid it.

Is there any facts to go on in this discussion besides they seem to be making an asic product and have peoples money?
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November 19, 2012, 07:42:16 PM
just read that. thx
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November 19, 2012, 07:39:04 PM


Even this nugget from BFL_Josh "If there is work to be done on T-Day, we will be doing it. No turkey shall stand in the way of ASIC progress, this I promise you."

That is no longer true.

Jody has just mentioned the staff will stop working for two days surrounding T-Day.

Check out the Blogs.....

Oh, and the 1/3 plan is history in her latest blog post. Now it doesn't matter when you placed your order....but when you paid it.
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November 19, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Fat chance. It should say -19 days anyway since they sold the bulk of their orders based upon an October(2012:) product release schedule.

This will continue to the negative if the date comes and goes.  The countdown was set up from the date of the last known proclaimation from BFL as to the shipping of ASIC units.

Even this nugget from BFL_Josh "If there is work to be done on T-Day, we will be doing it. No turkey shall stand in the way of ASIC progress, this I promise you."
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November 19, 2012, 07:15:20 PM
Fat chance. It should say -19 days anyway since they sold the bulk of their orders based upon an October(2012:) product release schedule.
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November 19, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
No I did not, because you summarized part of it for me. Smiley

...final assembly and shipping a few days after that.

I did read that around the time it was posted. I distinctly remember the 4th or 5th week of November comment. Thanks for hunting down the link, I'm just not paying the attention I once did to BFL's releases, partly because they're not credible and partly because I made other arrangements.
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November 19, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Did BFL offer some kind of a shipping estimate once chips are received? I don't recall seeing one, but I haven't been monitoring their releases as closely as I was prior to making a decision on who to order from.
Did you not read the post I linked?
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November 19, 2012, 06:15:36 PM
Did BFL offer some kind of a shipping estimate once chips are received? I don't recall seeing one, but I haven't been monitoring their releases as closely as I was prior to making a decision on who to order from.
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November 19, 2012, 05:30:51 PM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/251-More-Jalapeno-Pictures-amp-Shipping-Update

On the 29th of Oct BFL said 25 days until they get the chips, so that would be this Friday.
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