Topic: Already delays in BFL shipment plans? - page 27. (Read 49567 times)

That sounds about right. I think Josh was still referring to "padding" regularly around that time.

@ Bogart

I am not totally sure, but their first mention of the bullet run may have been are far back as October 20ish. Then a [very] vague statement of "refraction" issues with their run. As well as a mention of some kind of error being acceptable and was factored into their release timeline.

http://www.admittingfailure.com/

I think it's been a few weeks now since they were talking up their "bullet run" of chips.  I guess even at Bullet Speed these things still take a while.

maybe it's hard to admit they fucked up somewhere down the production pipeline.

If I'd followed through and ordered from BFL and I watched bASIC batch 1 orders completely filled, that'd do it for me.

Once one of the vendors begins shipping on-demand without a queue, that will be when most ppl holding a pre-order with any other vendor will cancel and will order from the shipping vendor.

IMO.

And in response to whatever ridiculous failure of comprehension follows my posts: read my fucking post again. You're missing something, and probably on purpose. I'm not wasting any more time expanding my explanations to fend off illiteracy.

EDIT FOR REPETITION AND WASTING TIME:
I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if bASIC delivers first, but even if they do, the statement that BFL has shown more evidence is STILL CORRECT.

Way to cut out the evidence I was talking about, then ask what evidence I was talking about. Where are any pictures of anything from bASIC? Neither company has shown a working prototype.



Do I really even have to address this? I didn't imply ANYTHING to the contrary.



This was implied, but not directly noted in my post.



Let's try again: where did I say BFL has a working device? I specifically stated that neither company has proven that they have a working prototype. How is everyone missing this? I don't know what's up with the facility inspection, but they have provided photos of the building and equipment. I think they said something about not letting anyone in until the facility is up and running, which is pretty pointless (remember to ignore I said that when replying). The populated PCB has dummy chips. BFL has publicly acknowledged this several times.

So, I'll repeat: based on EVIDENCE, BFL is winning. Creativex brings the only valid point to the table out of any of this drivel, in that BFL has a history of delays. That should be factored in with the other evidence. Is there something I missed in the evidence list for bASIC that somehow catapults them to the front?

Let me phrase this a different way that I'm sure will be avoided: HAS BASIC PROVIDED ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? RENDERS? PICTURES OF ASIC DEVICES OR CIRCUIT BOARDS? PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT OR INVENTORY? HAVE THEY PROVIDED ANYTHING AT ALL BESIDES WORDS?

I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if bASIC delivers first, but even if they do, the statement that BFL has shown more evidence is STILL CORRECT.

It's really pretty simple to figure this out IMO.

- BFL wanted to fly people to their plant in late october/early november to see their prototypes.
- Their prototype batch of chips didn't work, but they still wanted to show off pics, so they did.
- They ordered up a new batch of chips, this time enough to do a full production run, with fixes in place to correct the issues from the first prototype.
- They delayed the fly-people-to-their-plant thing until they get the new batch of fixed chips in.
- As they are on a second revision of the chip, in all likelihood, it won't have problems.  They will time it so that the two peeps flying in will be able to see a working product running on 2nd-revision chips.  They will also begin assembly that week, assembling enough units to ship out the first batch (maybe a hundred units or something?).

To me, all the evidence points to them fully expecting working prototypes to be in-hand at the end of October, but then something unexpected came up.  I believe that unexpected thing was a bad run of chips, and I believe that's why the only thing they are waiting on for assembly is the new batch of chips.

Good sweet lord, you people have problems with reading comprehension.

Yeah the photos of the populated boards(including the damaged chips) with BFL reps stating they didn't have the ASIC chips yet was humorous.

let's start.

can you run renders of device? no? ok.
yet still no working prototype.


remember the "facility inspection"?
yeah, no.

ok, actual populated PCBs, shitton of power supplies....and no working prototypes.

y'know, everything are in place, seemed ready to go, but feels like something's going wrong with them.

lol.

you just said that bfl has populated pcb. they have at least have a few chips in hand to test them out.

remember, they SHOULD HAVE shipped in october, but apparently they couldn't get shit done.

Pictures of a PCB doesn't equal a working product.. Both vendors could have issues while working on a "prototype"

what evidence are you talking about? PCB photos?  LOL Each amateur electronic engineer can do such a PCB. BFL wins... but in cheating customers about date of shipment  Let them show a working prototype then they will win.

...and based on historical accuracy of shipping date projections, it's not even close.

bASIC: photos of an office space and moving boxes, and a claim that a prototype exists but no actual proof

BFL: renders of device, renders of PCB, photos of actual populated PCB, photos of actual cases, photos of assembly equipment verified to be theirs, photos of $100K worth of power supplies for mini-rigs, but verified to not have a working prototype as of about 6 weeks ago

No proof that either have chips in hand yet. No proof that either have working prototypes. Based on the provided evidence, I say BFL wins the race. Based on promises alone, bASIC wins.

The same fella said: "efficiency is the only thing", then awhile later in the same thread agreed that early receipt of an ASIC is vitally important for lowering ROI.

let's start from something smaller.
at least for Tom, he got his "facility" photos.

now BFL....not even a shot of their facility.
kano and yochdog still haven't inspected their facility.
not a single working prototype is out, especially after almost 2 months from planned shipment date.

i'm calling march for their shipping.

Nothing like a good diversion to take the heat off.

It's funny because in that thread, BFL_Josh only bashes bASIC.  He says Tom has no idea what he's doing and the best quote is "The silence from Tom is the thing I would be most worried about if I cared when my bASIC unit shipped."  How about those people that cared when BFL ships their products? Even if Tom ended up behind a month, he would still be closer to his original ship date than BFL.  How about you look at your crappy promises before you flame war others.

Hypocritical post is hypocritical.