Already delays in BFL shipment plans? - page 30.

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or do like some of us do, order from both, but trust the one with proven track record more.
jally from bfl, bASIC from Tom.

minimize the losses. Grin

we'll see at the end of december, if i can say "fucking told you so" to the ones ordering from bfl only.

It may turn out that It works like LIFO - do not underestimate AVALON team also. They are local, have good background and have access to top manufacturing facilities with more than one machine also:)

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Christian Antkow

* Goes out to the shed and starts sharpening his pitch fork *

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Quote from: creativex on November 17, 2012, 10:08:59 PM

I'm sure many ordered from them unaware of their history of deceit or believing their statements that it'll be different THIS time. I went with another vendor because of their past, but if you ordered early in the year their weren't a lot of choices. Handing out zero interest loans isn't really my thing.

or do like some of us do, order from both, but trust the one with proven track record more.
jally from bfl, bASIC from Tom.

minimize the losses. Grin

we'll see at the end of december, if i can say "fucking told you so" to the ones ordering from bfl only.

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I'm sure many ordered from them unaware of their history of deceit or believing their statements that it'll be different THIS time. I went with another vendor because of their past, but if you ordered early in the year their weren't a lot of choices. Handing out zero interest loans isn't really my thing.

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Quote from: bobitza on November 17, 2012, 09:30:29 PM

Quote from: fcmatt on November 17, 2012, 09:26:27 PM

Did anyone really seriously expect BFL, the masters of delayed shipping times based on their FPGA products, to make it before 2012?
I still think they will be first out for the first hundred orders but i would still not count on Jan 2012. Think Feb based on the last
performance they had for more then 100 orders.

You mean 2013, right?

yes. typo. 2013. i will correct my initial post. thanks.

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 17, 2012, 09:26:27 PM

Did anyone really seriously expect BFL, the masters of delayed shipping times based on their FPGA products, to make it before 2012?
I still think they will be first out for the first hundred orders but i would still not count on Jan 2012. Think Feb based on the last
performance they had for more then 100 orders.

You mean 2013, right?

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Did anyone really seriously expect BFL, the masters of delayed shipping times based on their FPGA products, to make it before 2013?
I still think they will be first out for the first hundred orders but i would still not count on Jan 2013. Think Feb based on the last
performance they had for more then 100 orders.

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Quote from: hardcore-fs on November 17, 2012, 07:59:31 PM

Quote from: punin on November 17, 2012, 06:50:27 PM

I heard BFL is expecting to get their ASIC chips by "well before the end of December."

"... that Bitcoin Talk community would nominate and accept as credible, verifiable individuals to be flown here to KC sometime around the end of October/Beginning of November time frame to see our facility, inspect the manufacturing equipment and test out the devices."

kano & yochdog haven't been flown in to their facility.

so are we looking at february shipping then?
lol

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This is making me lose all my remaining hair... Ahh!

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Quote from: punin on November 17, 2012, 06:50:27 PM

I heard BFL is expecting to get their ASIC chips by "well before the end of December."

"... that Bitcoin Talk community would nominate and accept as credible, verifiable individuals to be flown here to KC sometime around the end of October/Beginning of November time frame to see our facility, inspect the manufacturing equipment and test out the devices."

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AWESOME news given that throughout most of the year they were promoting an October shipping date.

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I heard BFL is expecting to get their ASIC chips by "well before the end of December."

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I'm kinda thinking Jan ship dates for all ASIC devices

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on November 17, 2012, 05:29:30 PM

"Plan B" has just manifested:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/251-More-Jalapeno-Pictures-amp-Shipping-Update?p=5382&viewfull=1#post5382

It seems that there may be a Surplus of units for bASIC Batch 1 orders. Meaning about 300 non-customers may be able to take those "Plan B" spots.

You know the saying....strike while the Iron is Hot.

Do they even know what is ordered/paid for at this stage? No.
Guaranteed a place in batch one if ordered now? No.
Is the planning -first week of December- now -early December-? Yes.
Does this all mean anything? No.
Can they deliver off the shelf? No.
Hardly a plan B is it?

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"Plan B" has just manifested:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/251-More-Jalapeno-Pictures-amp-Shipping-Update?p=5382&viewfull=1#post5382

It seems that there may be a Surplus of units for bASIC Batch 1 orders. Meaning about 300 non-customers may be able to take those "Plan B" spots.

You know the saying....strike while the Iron is Hot.

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Ah, I'm not too worried about who ships first, and who doesn't. Honestly, let's say one company ships tomorrow and noone else does for a month, at _best_ these people are going to get a week or so before their ASIC's jack the the difficulty up to the point that the cycle is going to be back to 2 weeks per difficulty adjust. Will it be nice payoff for those folks? Sure, but everyone should have assumed in their RoI calculations that they very likely could have not been in the first round. If you've cut your return on investment calculations so close that you can't stand to get an ASIC a month or two later than other folks, then you're crazy.

The key thing is in the long term, it's going to be power/performance that wins the day. Yeah, some folks might get a leg up for a month or two, but a year or two down the road it's going to be whoever is the most power efficient that's still mining, not who got their ASIC's a month early.

Regardless of what happens, I think we're in for a wild ride over the next 2-3 months...hold onto your hats folks.

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Quote from: creativex on November 17, 2012, 03:30:42 PM

I don't think it's funny at all. I think it sucks that such an unreliable company has captured such a large market share with dishonest projections.

If your projections come to pass AND BTCFPGA remains on schedule, it's possible early second batch bASIC purchasers could receive products before some first batch BFL customers do. Now that'd be brutal.

I'm not too worried about the lack of published specifics. Tom's model for bASICs has been to outsource nearly everything so he won't have a production product for accurate specs until very close to shipping time.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little slippage in the bASIC schedule though. It's getting very close to shipping time, and there seems to be a lot left to do. I'm not sure who will be first out the gate, but both parties could be mid December by the time all is said and done.

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I don't think it's funny at all. I think it sucks that such an unreliable company has captured such a large market share with dishonest projections.

If your projections come to pass AND BTCFPGA remains on schedule, it's possible early second batch bASIC purchasers could receive products before some first batch BFL customers do. Now that'd be brutal.

I'm not too worried about the lack of published specifics. Tom's model for bASICs has been to outsource nearly everything so he won't have a production product for accurate specs until very close to shipping time.

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Quote from: creativex on November 17, 2012, 01:53:35 PM

Quote from: michaelmclees on November 17, 2012, 01:10:16 PM

I think there probably is a wave curve for refunds... but we're past the crest of it now. We're on the downward slope as the end of November approaches, but will climb back up if BFL wants to delay again. It makes enormous sense to hold on to your order if they're saying they'll be assembling in 2 weeks, but less sense if they can't meet such a deadline. It will be interesting in that they claim they haven't used pre-order funds to pay for their current operations. Should there be an avalanche of cancels, that claim will be put to the test.

Trouble is, they lie constantly. If/when they fail to meet the currently revised shipping date revision, the next revision will likely be only a couple weeks later, and they may or may not meet that one. Additionally if you're at the middle or end of their pre-order list you may not see your ASIC until much later even if they do ship some ASIC products in December.

it'll be funny though if they start shipping the middle part of pre-order in late december or early january.
and for the people on the end of the list...less likely to get their ROI in a year or so.

that's why you go with the one that has track record of under-promise and over-deliver.

be realistic now, it's almost the end of november, and no one has released anything, not even working prototypes. no exact numbers on anything.

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Quote from: michaelmclees on November 17, 2012, 01:10:16 PM

I think there probably is a wave curve for refunds... but we're past the crest of it now. We're on the downward slope as the end of November approaches, but will climb back up if BFL wants to delay again. It makes enormous sense to hold on to your order if they're saying they'll be assembling in 2 weeks, but less sense if they can't meet such a deadline. It will be interesting in that they claim they haven't used pre-order funds to pay for their current operations. Should there be an avalanche of cancels, that claim will be put to the test.

Trouble is, they lie constantly. If/when they fail to meet the currently revised shipping date revision, the next revision will likely be only a couple weeks later, and they may or may not meet that one. Additionally if you're at the middle or end of their pre-order list you may not see your ASIC until much later even if they do ship some ASIC products in December.

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