Alternative Electricity for Mining - page 15.

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Quote from: Apneal on January 07, 2019, 03:37:43 PM

There is no way this guy isn't trolling. This is KenM level of stupid. We're all going to end up on r/whoosh or whatever r/AteTheOnion equivalent. There isn't a person on earth who understands how to use an inverter that thinks an inverter can increase wattage output. The only way to reverse entropy is to reverse time, stop trying to outsmart physics. The absolute maximum a gas driven generator can add to a system is the amount of energy in the gas that's being used. That's common fucking sense. Even if you convert 100% of the energy in gas to electricity and win the Nobel Prize for doing so, you're still paying more per kW than using the grid.

Ok whatever you say. Again another one who doesn't understand the circuit and the process.

You are using the battery bank to run your inverter all you are using the generator for is to keep that bank charged nothing more.

So the inverter takes its power from the batteries and converts it into ac at 55 amps max output.

Under power your inverter and it either shuts off or you get less amperage out of the inverter.

Nobody is trying to change the laws of physics or screw your dog.

All I am offering is a plan to help reduce your mining electric costs. if you want to hook the generator head to your car go ahead it costs more for gas per hour then a small electric motor. Some mining setups it would be cheaper to run a gas generator then it would be to pay the electric company. In this case the electric motor is cheaper to run.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 04:51:41 PM

Quote from: FFI2013 on January 07, 2019, 04:45:46 PM

First I'm not a electrician but since I started mining I always wondered when I seen thoose 2000-3000w converter's is that it can take 12v battery and convert it into 2000w of 110 which is enough to run a rig or 2 so the question is how many batteries would you need to run it all day and whats the cheapest way of charging them just wondering also if this works and you have it setup post some pics or a video please

Basic Electrics : P = I*V, power = current*volt

You can scale up 12v to 120v no problem. And with beefy equipment you can even handle a large power load. But when coming from a battery, It won’t last long. You’ll deplete the battery quickly. All you have to do it look at the Wh (watt-hr) rating of the battery to estimate how long until it’s empty

Cheapest way to charge them, long term, would be to invest in a large >2000w solar setup. Very expensive upfront, but on a long enough timeline it’ll become cheaper than paying from the outlet. But we’re talking timelines of many years.

Thanks I was looking into solar I wish the panels weren't so expensive also one of those solar calculators said I would need a crazy amount of panels to power my whole house basically I would need panels on my whole roof and garage lets just say no one in my house knows the switches works both ways they think just on not to mention my son needs to empty the water heater everyday and I wont start on the dryer

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Quote from: FFI2013 on January 07, 2019, 04:45:46 PM

First I'm not a electrician but since I started mining I always wondered when I seen thoose 2000-3000w converter's is that it can take 12v battery and convert it into 2000w of 110 which is enough to run a rig or 2 so the question is how many batteries would you need to run it all day and whats the cheapest way of charging them just wondering also if this works and you have it setup post some pics or a video please

Basic Electrics : P = I*V, power = current*volt

You can scale up 12v to 120v no problem. And with beefy equipment you can even handle a large power load. But when coming from a battery, It won’t last long. You’ll deplete the battery quickly. All you have to do it look at the Wh (watt-hr) rating of the battery to estimate how long until it’s empty

Cheapest way to charge them, long term, would be to invest in a large >2000w solar setup. Very expensive upfront, but on a long enough timeline it’ll become cheaper than paying from the outlet. But we’re talking timelines of many years.

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First I'm not a electrician but since I started mining I always wondered when I seen thoose 2000-3000w converter's is that it can take 12v battery and convert it into 2000w of 110 which is enough to run a rig or 2 so the question is how many batteries would you need to run it all day and whats the cheapest way of charging them just wondering also if this works and you have it setup post some pics or a video please

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Guys seriously. Just let this thread die. You can’t just use what is essentially an alternator to generate more power than you put in.

If you could. Everyone would just disconnect their house power. Hook up their handy dandy 100w motor to drive an alternator which would in turn power their house. But guess what. No one does that because it doesn’t fucking work.

Conservation of energy.

Notice how the OP has not posted any pictures or videos of his own setup outside of a diagram done up by his 4 year old son in Microsoft Paint. Cause it doesn’t fucking work and it doesn’t exist.

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The guy is helping you more profit, either you try it, or STFU.

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If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

I just noticed this gem on the first page and it reminded me of images like this

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Quote from: fluxy12 on January 07, 2019, 03:33:46 PM

I like this who show how to produce magnetic elec with a simple fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sAJzjJ6ujE

That one was neat to watch, Almost all electric motors can be used as a generator or a motor it just depends on how you connect it, Spin a motor it will put out electric but apply electric to it and it now is a motor.

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There is no way this guy isn't trolling. This is KenM level of stupid. We're all going to end up on r/whoosh or whatever r/AteTheOnion equivalent. There isn't a person on earth who understands how to use an inverter that thinks an inverter can increase wattage output. The only way to reverse entropy is to reverse time, stop trying to outsmart physics. The absolute maximum a gas driven generator can add to a system is the amount of energy in the gas that's being used. That's common fucking sense. Even if you convert 100% of the energy in gas to electricity and win the Nobel Prize for doing so, you're still paying more per kW than using the grid.

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I like this who show how to produce magnetic elec with a simple fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sAJzjJ6ujE

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Quote from: ten9 on January 07, 2019, 06:13:06 AM

This thread is all about, how someone skipped his physics class.

No this thread is about alternate electricity. Just because some don't understand how it works doesn't mean it don't work.

It is funny how so many don't know what they are talking about or commenting on a subject that is apparently out of their league.

Anyone who don't know about power inverters needs to just go buy a smaller one at Walmart and hook it to their car then run their miner from it then come back and say you can take a 12 or 24v power source and turn it into a higher voltage of ac power.

You don't need a physics class to use current sine wave technology which was probably not around when you were in school.

Go read...……. this is just 1 link I pulled there are many more

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-information/what-is-sine-wave

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Quote from: mattstyle on January 07, 2019, 02:45:01 PM

Here's a guy turning a turbine generator with a 1.5 hp motor.. bad results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i6PBBcrwF0

Bad results were caused by under powering the PMG, They need much higher rpm to work correctly. 266-560 is the minimum rpm. This setup needs to run much higher rpm enough to equal a 45-55 mph wind.

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Quote from: mattcode on January 07, 2019, 02:50:55 PM

This thread is hilarious. I think it belongs in a "BitcoinTalk Comedy Hall of Fame" section.

No just need the ill educated and idiots to post somewhere else. So the ones who understand can hold a conversation on how to setup and use alternate power systems.

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Quote from: arielbit on January 07, 2019, 10:54:21 AM

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Quote from: arielbit on January 07, 2019, 01:52:47 AM

the secret sauce is the permanent magnet generator, neodymium magnet style...right?

harnessing the power of magnets? magnet's "magnetic" power is free...while running the PMG from external source, the magnets creates an extra push?

so you are saying that.. that "extra push" is thousands of kilowatts?

I've seen a flywheel put an extra push but it wasn't that great...it was maybe 4-5 feet in diameter and very heavy..so I am skeptical that these magnets can push thousands of watts more..

to make things more simple to analyze, why not just make this..

example..

AC outlet---->100w electric motor---->PMG generator----> how many watts is this ?

Your answer is up to 2000 watts

You are using 120vac @ 5 amps for the motor then the generator to push 24vdc at up to 2000 watts output which is 83 amps of 24v charging power for charging batteries. The batteries and inverter does the rest of the up-conversion to the higher voltage and wattage using sinewave technology. End result up to 60kw. The PMG is rewound internally to produce higher voltage/wattage at low rpm speeds. In the end it comes to the magnets, the windings, and the drag of the magnets in the generator that determines the maximum amperage output. The windings play the biggest role in it all in my opinion.

yep windings is the biggest player since motors and generators are invented..

i would suggest sending one working unit to a reputable member of the community here like philipma1957....let him tell us that it is working..

this is really funny because..as metroid said an "exhaust fan" (150w)...theoretically you can run a 60,000 watts mining equipment from your mining room's exhaust fan Cheesy

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i really wish it is true because i will scale up my mining to 100s of KWs probably MWs, i will run all the goddamn GPUs that i can grab haha Grin

...but probably it isn't hehe

Look into how a power inverter works or go buy you one from Walmart and plug it into your car now you can plug your miner into your car for power, that simple. You are taking 12vdc and turning it into 120vac. My system is the same principle just on a larger scale with a different source of power for the inverter, A PMG instead of you cars alternator. An electric motor instead of a gas engine.

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Quote from: mattstyle on January 07, 2019, 02:43:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFW686_B8KY

really?

Nice video I like this one the unit is self powering 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzOhM4HsIeg

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This thread is hilarious. I think it belongs in a "BitcoinTalk Comedy Hall of Fame" section.

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Here's a guy turning a turbine generator with a 1.5 hp motor.. bad results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i6PBBcrwF0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFW686_B8KY

really?

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literally, what

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Quote from: Metroid on January 07, 2019, 04:42:31 AM

This is interesting, I mean an exhaust fan 1750rpm 150 watts could in theory throw a huge mount of air around 6500 m³/h or 110 cfm and if there was a turbine motor, could it run it? I mean making electricity, from wasting electricity, the question is, will be worth it? I would say no cause there are no reports of people who successfully achieved or maybe they achieved and never came here to tell hehe, the only way to find out is try it and it will be a very expensive test.

Also about the topic in hand, the op said it worked, did it? If it worked for him, good, now I wonder what is he gaining to come here and tell his secret? If he wants to help great but make sure he will face a lot of angry miners who for many years spent thousands of dollars paying the electricity provider ehhe, so, op, make a video and upload to youtube and link here. I'm sure it will get a lot of views.

Yes your exhaust fan could run a turbine. Don't know how fast or how much it would produce but yes it can happen, one example of a newer technology is a turbine in the sewer system, everytime someone flushes their toilet or runs water it spins the turbine and produces power. A city in Arizona or California just installed these types of systems last year if I remember correct. So flushing your toilet produces electric.

I am not going to spend the time for a video when you have so many here who are jerks. There are thousands of videos online for these types of alternate power systems. We don't need another instead we need some to do more research on how a power inverter and a PMG generator works before flapping their gums. I don't have nothing to prove here I put the plan and parts list out for those who want to use. If you don't want to use it then just skip on by the thread.

You can also take an lg washing machine or dryer (newer ones) and spin the tub or rotate it back and forth and it will produce enough power to turn the units mainboard on. Found this by accident when servicing a washing machine one day. The type of permnant magnet motor drive allows this to happen.

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