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Quote from: Grumo on January 07, 2019, 07:24:38 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 05, 2019, 10:21:28 PM

The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)

The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power.

If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

you insert 2kw it exits 60kw Grin

, i hope it's true but i dont think so

This thread was put out there for those who know or understand how a power inverter works.

Apparently some of the people lack the understanding that wind systems and power inverters that have been around for years.

If you knew how an inverter works then you may have an understanding of how you can take a lower voltage and convert it into a higher voltage/amperage.

I have said this already if you don't understand how this type of system work just keep quiet, there are others who have some knowledge on wind and solar systems.

For all that say it wont work you need to tell the thousands who use wind generators for power, including the power companies who install larger systems nationwide to provide electric.

I bet many of you didn't know your car alternator is a 3-phace electrical generator that puts out 400+ vac and could also be used to generate ac electric for your home.

For the one who know it all goto your local Walmart and get you a power inverter plug it into your car and then plug your miner into it. Now tell me you can take 12v and make 120vac from it. This is the same just a bigger source for the initial powerup and a much larger inverter. Instead of an alternator charging the battery

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If you are not an expert or have very good knowledge of wind and solar systems please refrain from the negative comments.

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Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 04:21:02 AM

Quote from: arielbit on January 07, 2019, 01:52:47 AM

the secret sauce is the permanent magnet generator, neodymium magnet style...right?

harnessing the power of magnets? magnet's "magnetic" power is free...while running the PMG from external source, the magnets creates an extra push?

so you are saying that.. that "extra push" is thousands of kilowatts?

I've seen a flywheel put an extra push but it wasn't that great...it was maybe 4-5 feet in diameter and very heavy..so I am skeptical that these magnets can push thousands of watts more..

to make things more simple to analyze, why not just make this..

example..

AC outlet---->100w electric motor---->PMG generator----> how many watts is this ?

Your answer is up to 2000 watts

You are using 120vac @ 5 amps for the motor then the generator to push 24vdc at up to 2000 watts output which is 83 amps of 24v charging power for charging batteries. The batteries and inverter does the rest of the up-conversion to the higher voltage and wattage using sinewave technology. End result up to 60kw. The PMG is rewound internally to produce higher voltage/wattage at low rpm speeds. In the end it comes to the magnets, the windings, and the drag of the magnets in the generator that determines the maximum amperage output. The windings play the biggest role in it all in my opinion.

yep windings is the biggest player since motors and generators are invented..

i would suggest sending one working unit to a reputable member of the community here like philipma1957....let him tell us that it is working..

this is really funny because..as metroid said an "exhaust fan" (150w)...theoretically you can run a 60,000 watts mining equipment from your mining room's exhaust fan Cheesy

..

i really wish it is true because i will scale up my mining to 100s of KWs probably MWs, i will run all the goddamn GPUs that i can grab haha Grin

...but probably it isn't hehe

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You are just like those flatearthers. Just because someone said to you in school and you so much believe in it does not make it truth.

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Quote from: chipless on January 05, 2019, 10:21:28 PM

The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)

The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power.

If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

you insert 2kw it exits 60kw Grin

, i hope it's true but i dont think so

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This thread is all about, how someone skipped his physics class.

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This is interesting, I mean an exhaust fan 1750rpm 150 watts could in theory throw a huge mount of air around 6500 m³/h or 110 cfm and if there was a turbine motor, could it run it? I mean making electricity, from wasting electricity, the question is, will be worth it? I would say no cause there are no reports of people who successfully achieved or maybe they achieved and never came here to tell hehe, the only way to find out is try it and it will be a very expensive test.

Also about the topic in hand, the op said it worked, did it? If it worked for him, good, now I wonder what is he gaining to come here and tell his secret? If he wants to help great but make sure he will face a lot of angry miners who for many years spent thousands of dollars paying the electricity provider ehhe, so, op, make a video and upload to youtube and link here. I'm sure it will get a lot of views.

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Quote from: arielbit on January 07, 2019, 01:52:47 AM

the secret sauce is the permanent magnet generator, neodymium magnet style...right?

harnessing the power of magnets? magnet's "magnetic" power is free...while running the PMG from external source, the magnets creates an extra push?

so you are saying that.. that "extra push" is thousands of kilowatts?

I've seen a flywheel put an extra push but it wasn't that great...it was maybe 4-5 feet in diameter and very heavy..so I am skeptical that these magnets can push thousands of watts more..

to make things more simple to analyze, why not just make this..

example..

AC outlet---->100w electric motor---->PMG generator----> how many watts is this ?

Your answer is up to 2000 watts

You are using 120vac @ 5 amps for the motor then the generator to push 24vdc at up to 2000 watts output which is 83 amps of 24v charging power for charging batteries. The batteries and inverter does the rest of the up-conversion to the higher voltage and wattage using sinewave technology. End result up to 60kw. The PMG is rewound internally to produce higher voltage/wattage at low rpm speeds. In the end it comes to the magnets, the windings, and the drag of the magnets in the generator that determines the maximum amperage output. The windings play the biggest role in it all in my opinion.

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the secret sauce is the permanent magnet generator, neodymium magnet style...right?

harnessing the power of magnets? magnet's "magnetic" power is free...while running the PMG from external source, the magnets creates an extra push?

so you are saying that.. that "extra push" is thousands of kilowatts?

I've seen a flywheel put an extra push but it wasn't that great...it was maybe 4-5 feet in diameter and very heavy..so I am skeptical that these magnets can push thousands of watts more..

to make things more simple to analyze, why not just make this..

example..

AC outlet---->100w electric motor---->PMG generator----> how many watts is this ?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 06, 2019, 11:55:07 PM

spending 12 kwatts from the power company to run a motor that creates mechanical energy can be done

so the spindle of that motor moves at 1750 rpm

I believe this part.

and I have a source of mechanical energy ie rotating spindle

a few pulleys to attach it to a pwm wind generator that claims to do 2000 watts dc at a 42 mph wind.

that could be possible.

but will the spindle of your power company power motor rotate that pwm generator fast enough to make 2000 watts.

will the pwm generator see the spindle as a 42 mile an hour wind?

take the mechanical energy and discharge it as 2000 watts.

ie put 5 kwatts in and take 24 kwatts out each day.

well first off even if that pwm generator can do 2000 watts of power do 2000 x .9 x .9 = about 1600 watts and x .9 = 1440 watts

so putting in 500 watts gives 1440 watts out. I am not so sure about this.

but the concept would be a varation of this

http://sumanasart.blogspot.com/2015_05_01_archive.html

in each case the pull at the start is the same but the lift at the end is increased.

and this works.

I have an issue since a car alternator/gen gets spun quickly over 2000 rpm on a highway

and the pwm gen gets spun at 1750 rpm i don't think it will give 2000 watts of power.

here is an example of using a car generator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJ0tO1vEok

Good example.

With the 1750 rpm electric motor with a 1:3.25 will get around 5800 rpm which is about the same as a 55 mph wind the PMG only needs 45 mph wind to reach the 2000 watts it will put out more at even higher rpm.

An alternator reaches its maximum amperage output at about 5000 rpm. Crank pully to alternator pully is about a 1:3 or 1:4 on most cars I believe.

The big difference is the alternator uses an electric magnetic system where the PMG uses magnets making the drag/cogging hundreds of times easier to turn and the pmg has been rewound to produce 24v at as low as 266 rpm compared to a car which needs minimum 1750 rpm or so on the alternator some have a lower magnetic field kickin and a one-wire alternator is even different.

I put a system together and it is producing enough to run fine. You can also add more generator heads to increase the output amperage into the batteries for even bigger systems.

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Quote from: modmalaney on January 06, 2019, 11:25:17 PM

Quote from: mattstyle on January 06, 2019, 04:12:23 PM

In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

How is running a motor 24x7 which produces heat (wasted energy) to charge a bank of batteries using a generator and then converting to 110 or 220 via an inverter that also wastes energy more efficient than the elec company..

Show us a video.

Indeed in the laws of physics, it sounded quite impossible to happen. Save the cost, of course, become the goal of many people in the mine. but when suggesting things that don't even make sense like this it will be impressed as a stupid hoax.

What part don't make sense? You are building a wind generator system without the wind and using a electric motor to supply the rotational speed of the generator head instead (cheaper cost to run then the miners).

If you own a gas generator this is the same thing basically but with an electric motor instead of a gas engine and a different way of converting the energy into 220vac.

A PMG generator has less drag/cogging compare to an alternator or gas generator therefore making it the number one choice for wind turbines/wind generator. Compare this PMG to one a power company puts up in a field, this is a smaller version which puts out dc voltage instead of ac voltage (ac voltage PMG's are available in 3-phase) and is using an electric motor instead of the wind to turn it.

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Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:32:17 PM

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

Electric motors are not energy sources. It needs power from somewhere to operate it which is not free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

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That's why the topic name was changed to satisfy everyone. As stated this is to reduce your power cost and if you want totally free loopback the motor or use a separate wind or solar system to run the electric motor.

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spending 12 kwatts from the power company to run a motor that creates mechanical energy can be done

so the spindle of that motor moves at 1750 rpm

I believe this part.

and I have a source of mechanical energy ie rotating spindle

a few pulleys to attach it to a pwm wind generator that claims to do 2000 watts dc at a 42 mph wind.

that could be possible.

but will the spindle of your power company power motor rotate that pwm generator fast enough to make 2000 watts.

will the pwm generator see the spindle as a 42 mile an hour wind?

take the mechanical energy and discharge it as 2000 watts.

ie put 5 kwatts in and take 24 kwatts out each day.

well first off even if that pwm generator can do 2000 watts of power do 2000 x .9 x .9 = about 1600 watts and x .9 = 1440 watts

so putting in 500 watts gives 1440 watts out. I am not so sure about this.

but the concept would be a varation of this

http://sumanasart.blogspot.com/2015_05_01_archive.html

in each case the pull at the start is the same but the lift at the end is increased.

and this works.

I have an issue since a car alternator/gen gets spun quickly over 2000 rpm on a highway

and the pwm gen gets spun at 1750 rpm i don't think it will give 2000 watts of power.

here is an example of using a car generator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJ0tO1vEok

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Quote from: mattstyle on January 06, 2019, 04:12:23 PM

In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

How is running a motor 24x7 which produces heat (wasted energy) to charge a bank of batteries using a generator and then converting to 110 or 220 via an inverter that also wastes energy more efficient than the elec company..

Show us a video.

Indeed in the laws of physics, it sounded quite impossible to happen. Save the cost, of course, become the goal of many people in the mine. but when suggesting things that don't even make sense like this it will be impressed as a stupid hoax.

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Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:40:52 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 06, 2019, 10:36:46 PM

Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:32:17 PM

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

Electric motors are not energy sources. It needs power from somewhere to operate it which is not free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

That's why the topic name was changed to satisfy everyone. As stated this is to reduce your power cost and if you want totally free loopback the motor or use a separate wind or solar system to run the electric motor.

sounds like someone scammed you into thinking you can save a lot of money by buying their battery and alternators. Or your trying to scam others with very poor electrical know how.

You have your opinion. No one is using and alternator it is a wind PMG generator. I guess if you think it don't work let the thousands of off-grid people who use them and similar setups to live on everyday. As I first said I have built many different types of systems for energy saving this was one for mining.

You must work for the power company?

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Quote from: chipless on January 06, 2019, 10:36:46 PM

Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:32:17 PM

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

Electric motors are not energy sources. It needs power from somewhere to operate it which is not free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

That's why the topic name was changed to satisfy everyone. As stated this is to reduce your power cost and if you want totally free loopback the motor or use a separate wind or solar system to run the electric motor.

sounds like someone scammed you into thinking you can save a lot of money by buying their battery and alternators. Or your trying to scam others with very poor electrical know how.

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Quote from: chipless on January 06, 2019, 10:27:44 PM

Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:16:07 PM

The alternator in a car is only able to produce power if the engine belts is running which basically mean its powered by gasoline which is not free. Your car is able to start only b/c it has battery which the alternator charges up only when the car is running. No gas, dead battery = no way of starting your car with the alternator alone.

Alternators need energy which is not free! It needs power source by gas, solar, wind, etc. .

Buying some alternators (converts electricity) and batteries (stores electricity) is not going to give you an infinite supply of energy. But buying alot of solar panels, gas, energy producing products will..

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

Electric motors are not energy sources. It needs power from somewhere to operate it which is not free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

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Quote from: lunobird on January 06, 2019, 10:16:07 PM

The alternator in a car is only able to produce power if the engine belts is running which basically mean its powered by gasoline which is not free. Your car is able to start only b/c it has battery which the alternator charges up only when the car is running. No gas, dead battery = no way of starting your car with the alternator alone.

Alternators need energy which is not free! It needs power source by gas, solar, wind, etc. .

Buying some alternators (converts electricity) and batteries (stores electricity) is not going to give you an infinite supply of energy. But buying alot of solar panels, gas, energy producing products will..

You say wind is not free? The sun is not free?

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

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Quote from: chipless on January 06, 2019, 08:51:23 PM

Quote from: evlo on January 06, 2019, 08:14:49 PM

I also run similar system, only with inverter with less total power, but three phases, and I can confirm it works.

I considered the 3 phase pwm generator but chose the 24v I can get replacement batteries fast and easy and I use the 24v side for welding things sometimes.

I don't understand why some say it wont work when it does and has for years. I guess if it don't work then they will be walking to work tomorrow because their alternator isn't going to keep their car running.... LOL The first units I built I used ac delco alternators and ran with a 5hp electric motor. The PWM generators made things so much simpler.

The alternator in a car is only able to produce power if the engine belts is running which basically mean its powered by gasoline which is not free. Your car is able to start only b/c it has battery which the alternator charges up only when the car is running. No gas, dead battery = no way of starting your car with the alternator alone.

Alternators need energy which is not free! It needs power source by gas, solar, wind, etc. .

Buying some alternators (converts,transfer electricity) and batteries (stores electricity) is not going to give you an infinite supply of energy. But buying alot of solar panels, gas, energy producing products will..

An alternator will never make more energy than what it takes in, it will always produce less due to heat and mechanical losses in the conversion process.

i don't even know why i have to explain something with such common sense. Okay I am done talking to kids that failed high school

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Quote from: RiceMiner69 on January 06, 2019, 09:12:32 PM

Did you just disprove the first and second law of thermodynamics???

On the Bitcointalk forum?!?!!!

No it follows right along, the first law....Energy can be converted …. I am converting the 5 amps 115vac of house wiring into 55amps of 220vac... and the second law too.... No one said some of the energy isn't wasted as heat it is still the cheaper way to go.

What I did prove is that some people don't know what they are talking about and need to do more research on the whole process to save money. If it costs me 35 a month in electric to mine compared to the 400+ a month hooking up to house wiring I will take the 35 a month path regardless of how I have to put it together.

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