Alternative Electricity for Mining - page 13.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 10:19:35 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 10:09:05 PM

Quote from: astraleureka on January 07, 2019, 09:52:05 PM

... How are you going to apply 500W of power to rotating a generator and expect the generator to be able to output more than the input 500W (theoretical 100% efficiency) Huh

Your not directly but with the pullies you can.

You're*, pulleys*

you also seem to have forgotten the torque penalty when using a gear ratio to increase your speed. the generator needs speed AND torque. if your motor is only capable of outputting a finite amount of power. putting a pulley on it wont have any affect. you'll just bog the motor down and it'll still have the same rotational speed on the input shaft of the generator.

try again.

you can achieve both speed and torque with pullies or use a bigger motor if that is easier but then you use more energy to run it reducing the savings.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 11:40:12 PM

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

There are people who run their whole house like this living off-grid

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 11:40:12 PM

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

No I have your mother to jerk me.

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i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

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Quote from: astraleureka on January 07, 2019, 09:52:05 PM

... How are you going to apply 500W of power to rotating a generator and expect the generator to be able to output more than the input 500W (theoretical 100% efficiency) Huh

Your not directly but with the pullies you can.

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Quote from: mattstyle on January 07, 2019, 11:05:35 PM

They do make a pully kit..

http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

get a PMG, a pully kit and hook it up to a motor.. see if it can keep a battery bank charged with some rigs attached to it..

so wouldn't be that hard to test this out for yourselves.

Yes, seems to go against conventional teachings, but there's a reason you are here. crypto..

seems like it would be LOUD.. how much sound does your setup make..

this will and does work. this does not produce free electricity but greatly reduces the cost, in the end configured correctly your only cost is the electricity to run the electric motor.

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Quote from: mattstyle on January 07, 2019, 11:05:35 PM

They do make a pully kit..

http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

get a PMG, a pully kit and hook it up to a motor.. see if it can keep a battery bank charged with some rigs attached to it..

so wouldn't be that hard to test this out for yourselves.

Yes, seems to go against conventional teachings, but there's a reason you are here. crypto..

seems like it would be LOUD.. how much sound does your setup make..

It is not very loud about as loud as a fan on high-speed

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Do you think there is a pattern? http://picseye.com/gallery/DyGQNs3.jpg

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They do make a pully kit..

http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

get a PMG, a pully kit and hook it up to a motor.. see if it can keep a battery bank charged with some rigs attached to it..

so wouldn't be that hard to test this out for yourselves.

Yes, seems to go against conventional teachings, but there's a reason you are here. crypto..

seems like it would be LOUD.. how much sound does your setup make..

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chipless i can see your dealing with rocket scientists here ill break it down for these folks, 1 electric motor to replace the blade on your wind turbine head driven at a 1 to 3 drive ratio to turn the turbine at 5175 rpm, the turbine is connected to voltage controller, voltage controller is then connected to a battery bank, the battery bank is connected to the DC to AC inverter as long as your input voltage and amperage to the battery bank is equal to or greater then your amperage output this will function as stated, so basically we are driving the turbine head with an electric motor instead of a prop, thus maintaining charge on the battery bank the only cost would be the amount to run the electric motor, the power to the inverter is maintained by the battery bank as long as our battery charge amperage is more then then battery draw on the inverter this will sustain. so driving one generator head will produce 83 amps of charge power as long as we stay under 83 amps of battery drain on the inverter this will provide continous 120 volt ac output via the inverter.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 10:41:48 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 10:29:34 PM

you can achieve both speed and torque with pullies

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh and pulleys*

I must be doing something right with my designs and knowledge because I retired at 45 and live very comfortable and you still work as a "NASA" engineer. I pay 35 a month to mine many machines and you pay ?? more.

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Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 10:29:34 PM

you can achieve both speed and torque with pullies

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh and pulleys*

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Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 10:09:05 PM

Quote from: astraleureka on January 07, 2019, 09:52:05 PM

... How are you going to apply 500W of power to rotating a generator and expect the generator to be able to output more than the input 500W (theoretical 100% efficiency) Huh

Your not directly but with the pullies you can.

You're*, pulleys*

you also seem to have forgotten the torque penalty when using a gear ratio to increase your speed. the generator needs speed AND torque. if your motor is only capable of outputting a finite amount of power. putting a pulley on it wont have any affect. you'll just bog the motor down and it'll still have the same rotational speed on the input shaft of the generator.

try again.

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Quote from: astraleureka on January 07, 2019, 10:02:14 PM

gsrcrxsi314 where do I buy you a beer?

No one asks you to stick around you choose to. You stated your opinions now why don't you and you buddy move on so the thread don't get more cluttered with your bs. People shouldn't have to pm me to ask questions because they feel they will be targeted if they post on the thread. Time for the non-believers to move on.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 09:52:50 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 09:48:47 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

What you’re forgetting is the RATE of energy transfer.

It’s one thing to saw that your battery will provide 3600W of power. But for how long?? If you don’t charge the batteries at the same rate that you discharge them. They will go dead and you will be out of power.

No fucking way will a 500W input charge batteries to support at 60kW load.

This is basic shit. And you still don’t understand it. But keep replying and making yourself look dumb. Please.

No 500 watts alone wont charge it at the right rate but if you use that 500 watts to turn a generator that gives you 2000watts then you can keep up with everything. You following me now....I never said the conversion was a one-step but in different stages you can achieve the savings.

no. no one is following you because you're spouting nonsense.

if you put 500w into that generator, you get <500 out. not 2000.

Your output is based on the rotational speed of the generator head the faster it spins the more it puts out if it used 500 for an electric motor and a few pullies to get the speed higher you do that. Therefore the 500watts used for the motor is kind of irrelevant to what the generator puts out the only factor that matters between the 2 is how fast can you spin the head with the motor

All the same principle as a gas generator with the exception of you can choose the output speed by using pullies instead of a direct drive your gas generator uses more power to get the head moving faster on current draw the electric motor you can increase the speed by changing a pully but not drawing more energy.

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gsrcrxsi314 where do I buy you a beer?

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and then there's this little gem on the product page for the generator.

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Not for hydro, gas engine, electric motor coupled use.

you seem to think that this motor/generator has no friction or something. you're living in fantasy land.

the reason these work for wind is because you're using the wind's energy! it will produce 2000W of power only with greater than 2000W input (because of losses)

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Spoilers: chipless works at a major battery manufacturer

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Quote from: chipless on January 07, 2019, 09:48:47 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 07, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

What you’re forgetting is the RATE of energy transfer.

It’s one thing to saw that your battery will provide 3600W of power. But for how long?? If you don’t charge the batteries at the same rate that you discharge them. They will go dead and you will be out of power.

No fucking way will a 500W input charge batteries to support at 60kW load.

This is basic shit. And you still don’t understand it. But keep replying and making yourself look dumb. Please.

No 500 watts alone wont charge it at the right rate but if you use that 500 watts to turn a generator that gives you 2000watts then you can keep up with everything. You following me now....I never said the conversion was a one-step but in different stages you can achieve the savings.

no. no one is following you because you're spouting nonsense.

if you put 500w into that generator, you get <500 out. not 2000.

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... How are you going to apply 500W of power to rotating a generator and expect the generator to be able to output more than the input 500W (theoretical 100% efficiency) Huh

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