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There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

I'm all ears. What are your precise objections?
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Do I understand it correctly that:

1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

2) from now to next year's april I will get 1/40,000,000 of AMC's profits (unfortunately the ASICs are scheduled for Q4 2013 - Q1 2014)

3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

5) if VMC start selling their chips to public, the AMC will get 10% of their profit

6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

I've probably misunderstood something, if that is the case, please correct me.

I would very much like to see someone refute most of these points

There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

pretty sure youve got it all right, except that initial investors paid for the 6 avalons, not kslaughter...correct me if im wrong.

It's also down right amazing how many people seem to think that all you need for a 100TH+ mining farm is 'chips'. There is a reason why Asicminer has not rolled out more (they have the capital). It takes a MASSIVE amount of technical knowledge, cooling, IP capacity, staff, Electricity etc. to run a larger farm. People seem to think that it's something anyone can do if they feel like it. Rude awakening in 3..2..

Not to mention that the earnings calculations for the miners is just completely NUTS! Selling Avalon clones in a few months @ current retail? Seriously, who even makes that up?
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Do I understand it correctly that:

1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

2) from now to next year's april I will get 1/40,000,000 of AMC's profits (unfortunately the ASICs are scheduled for Q4 2013 - Q1 2014)

3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

5) if VMC start selling their chips to public, the AMC will get 10% of their profit

6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

I've probably misunderstood something, if that is the case, please correct me.

I would very much like to see someone refute most of these points

There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

pretty sure youve got it all right, except that initial investors paid for the 6 avalons, not kslaughter...correct me if im wrong.
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...and there goes most of that 18,000 share undercutting wall.  Only thing stopping us from the moon now is those 1.5 million shares.  Cheesy
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Do I understand it correctly that:

1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

2) from now to next year's april I will get 1/40,000,000 of AMC's profits (unfortunately the ASICs are scheduled for Q4 2013 - Q1 2014)

3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

5) if VMC start selling their chips to public, the AMC will get 10% of their profit

6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

I've probably misunderstood something, if that is the case, please correct me.

I would very much like to see someone refute most of these points

There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!
sr. member
Activity: 302
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Do I understand it correctly that:

1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

2) from now to next year's april I will get 1/40,000,000 of AMC's profits (unfortunately the ASICs are scheduled for Q4 2013 - Q1 2014)

3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

5) if VMC start selling their chips to public, the AMC will get 10% of their profit

6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

I've probably misunderstood something, if that is the case, please correct me.

I would very much like to see someone refute most of these points
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Do I understand it correctly that:

1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

2) from now to next year's april I will get 1/40,000,000 of AMC's profits (unfortunately the ASICs are scheduled for Q4 2013 - Q1 2014)

3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

5) if VMC start selling their chips to public, the AMC will get 10% of their profit

6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

I've probably misunderstood something, if that is the case, please correct me.
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Relevant for those investing in AMC-PT. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241415.0;all

Also: What are these wild claims coming from? 'World fastest chip?" Both Bitfury and KNC miner has announced chips in 55nm/28nm that are expected for delivery in SEPTEMBER with same/competing hash rates. KNC's chip is a 55x55mm core @ 100 GH/s and Bitfury is a multicore chip capable of 0.3W per 1GH. What justifies a $25 MILLION valuation for a company with no track record, and a few 1000 BTC in total assets?
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Great news Ken. Congrats, this all sounds very impressive!

I'm sure there are still naysayers about saying this is a scam, so please do chip in again. (I'm actually being sorta serious, I think its healthy to have discussion from both sides.)
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The chip is expected in limited quantities in Q4 2013 and fully available in Q1 2014

Umm, this is bigger news than I expected. Well done, Ken. Well done.

yeah this has gotten pretty interesting
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
This was a good release worth the announcement of the announcement
The Klondikes will not be long now either with 1.0 out so this is an interesting investment
Good to see potential competition starting to move with real news will keep observing
Lets others do the speculation  Wink
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Woah - lets see if those shares disappear
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VMC And AMC Are Proud To Announce The "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip".

SPRINGFIELD, MO, - June 27, 2013 - Active Mining Corporation (AMC) and Virtual Mining

Corporation (VMC) are announcing today the preliminary results from VMC's partner

eASIC (www.easic.com) regarding the performance of the Fast-Hash-ONE Bitcoin mining chip,

built on eASIC's top of the line 28nm technology.

Each chip holds 20 miner cores, with an expected frequency from 800MHz (16GH/s)

to 1GHz (20GH/s). This is possible thanks to eASIC's expertise and AMC's heavily

optimized design, making Fast-Hash-ONE the "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip".

The chip is expected in limited quantities in Q4 2013 and fully available in Q1 2014

and will be the backbone of AMC's drive to be the "World's Largest Bitcoin Mining

Farm".

VMC will also use this chip in its Fast-Hash-XXX and Fast-Hash-TH series of Bitcoin Mining
Machines, with Prepaid Pre-Orders immediately available on VMC's web site.

Prepaid Pre-Orders for bulk purchases of the Fast-Hash-ONE chip will also be
immediately available on VMC's web site (www.virtualminingcorp.com).

The maximum NRE total cost asked to us is around $1,000,000, but we are expecting it may go
down from there. We estimate a total sale of 4,000,000 shares at ฿0.0025 for covering all
the NRE associated costs, considering BTC/USD fluctuations.
AMC has released 2,000,000 shares yesterday at ฿0.0025 on BitFunder, as a headstart for
long-term investors, resuming the gathering of necessary funds for NRE costs. Today we
released the remaining 2,000,000 shares at ฿0.0025 on BTC-TC following the approval there,
as a means for gathering more investors.
Although it can be debated, a price of ฿0.0025 for the current batch is an excellent entry
point for anyone investing into something of this scale. "We're not in Kansas anymore!" Grin

VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to
VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC.  AMC will also
have the First Rights Of Refusal on a number of machines built with the Fast-Hash-ONE.

eASIC's details:
eASIC was Rated Third Fastest Growing Semiconductor Company in North America on
Deloitte’s 2012 Technology Fast 500™ and their choice as our partner is a significant
one. Our excellent news is possible thanks to eASIC's ingenious process to integrate
AMC's optimized code into a fully functional ASIC in record time. Please check
eASIC's web site for futher information. At the moment, only 45nm information is available
there for the eASIC Nextreme-2 family, but it is sufficient to fully understand our
short- and long-term plan on 28nm and lower.

As a summary, we'll present two very important key features that are part of our
ace in the sleeve for AMC, which will help everyone realise how this project can be
executed in weeks/months, rather than years:

Fast Turnaround ASICs
"When it comes to device manufacturing and test, eASIC Nextreme-2 family takes only
a fraction of the time of standard cell ASICs as only one via layer needs to be
customized for each design. This means that wafer manufacturing can start much
earlier and even during the design stage itself.
"



easicopy ASIC Migration
"easicopy ASIC provides OEMs with a seamless path from a eASIC Nextreme or Nextreme-2
NEW ASIC to a, cell-based, easicopy ASIC thereby enabling OEMs to further reduce
device cost and power consumption, or increase performance.
"



Other Important News:

The second order of 3 Avalon's have arrived and are now hashing, bringing AMC's total
hash rate up to 400,000+ MH/s.

Still on order are:
- 68 Klondike-16 chip boards (~306,000 MH/s) with an estimated delivery date of Mid July;
- 20,000 Avalon chips (~5,640,000 MH/s) with an estimated delivery date of Mid August.

We are also busy working with our Electronic Engineering and Manufacturing Services
firm to create our Fast-Hash-XX Avalon clones.
Our prototype is getting close to being manufactured.  We also have on order complete
boards to build the first 40 Avalon clones for AMC's estimated delivery of 8/31.
AMC will have the next 22 machines built with a delivery date TBD.

=========================================================

Technical Details Of The Fast-Hash-ONE 28nm ASIC Chip:

The design is built on eASIC's 28nm Nextreme family process.

Bitcoin Engines: 20 fully unfolded, optimized hand routed cores.

Expected operational frequency: 800MHz nominal (1GHz max).

Performance design: 16GH/s at 800Mhz.

Estimated Chip Power Consumption: 11.136 Watts (~0.696 Watts per GH/s).

Packaging: 28nm Flip Chip design, Standard BGA 672 (excellent heat dissipation).

Die size: 27 x 27 mm

Fab Technology: Global Foundries advanced 28nm

Design type: Optimized code, 100% Hand routed for max performance density.

Availability: Estimated Limited quantities in Q3 2013, with a higher volume in Q1 2014.

Reference board material will be provided as soon as possible.

These are Preliminary Specifications and can be subject to change.

=============================================

Technical Details Of The Fast-Hash-XXX Series Of Machines:

Highy modular design, with great expansability.

Each Board contains 16 chips @ 16 GH/s each, for 256 GH/s per board.

Each Base unit can contain from 1 to 6 Boards (256 GH/s to 1.536 TH/s).

1 to 6 Expansion cases may be added to the system. (6 to 96 Boards for
a hash rate from 1.536 TH/s to 24.576 TH/s).

These are Preliminary Specifications and can be subject to change.

Virtual Mining Corporation is a Delaware Corporation and Active Mining
Corporation is a Belize International Business Company DBA Active Mining
Cooperative collectively (AMC).
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I beg to differ regarding AMC.  I'll concede if price surpasses 0.0025 in the coming months.

Ken is releasing it at 0.0025 BTC / share.  Each share being 1 /100 000 000 of AMC
So you get a market cap of 250 000 BTC, or $25M US at $100/BTC.
That works out to $4.1M per Avalon machine!

You obviously don't understand the concept of raising money needed for future profits.
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https://www.chynge.net/
The NEWS!!??!

A notification has been posted to AMC-PT.  You have received this email
because you own shares of AMC-PT.

-----
VMC And AMC Are Proud To Announce The "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip".

SPRINGFIELD, MO, - June 27, 2013 - Active Mining Corporation (AMC) and Virtual Mining

Corporation (VMC) are announcing today the preliminary results from VMC's partner

eASIC (www.easic.com) regarding the performance of the Fast-Hash-ONE Bitcoin mining chip,

built on eASIC's top of the line 28nm technology.

Each chip holds 20 miner cores, with an expected frequency from 800MHz (16GH/s)

to 1GHz (20GH/s). This is possible thanks to eASIC's expertise and AMC's heavily

optimized design, making Fast-Hash-ONE the "World's Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip".

The chip is expected in limited quantities in Q4 2013 and fully available in Q1 2014

and will be the backbone of AMC's drive to be the "World's Largest Bitcoin Mining

Farm".

See our thread on bitcointalk.org for more information.

-----

Thank you for using BTC-TC
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I can't help but feel that this 0.0025 IPO is heavily in favor for the early adopters.  

We are the early adopters, of Bitcoin and of AMC.

I beg to differ regarding AMC.  I'll concede if price surpasses 0.0025 in the coming months.

Ken is releasing it at 0.0025 BTC / share.  Each share being 1 /100 000 000 of AMC
So you get a market cap of 250 000 BTC, or $25M US at $100/BTC.
That works out to $4.1M per Avalon machine!

How the price of 0.0025 was conceived makes no sense to me.  I thought the original IPO (at a much much lower price) was supposed to be for hardware funding to begin with.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Just make sure you all do your math and hold no grudges Smiley
Waits for announcement not long now by server time
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I can't help but feel that this 0.0025 IPO is heavily in favor for the early adopters.  

Shame on them for taking a greater risk right? Are you out of your mind?
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I can't help but feel that this 0.0025 IPO is heavily in favor for the early adopters.  

We are the early adopters, of Bitcoin and of AMC.
legendary
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Still wild and free
I can't help but feel that this 0.0025 IPO is heavily in favor for the early adopters.  

You mean those that got in at 0.0005?
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