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eASIC Announces easicopy™ ASIC

Santa Clara, CA – May 25, 2011 – eASIC Corporation today announced the immediate availability of “easicopy™”, an ASIC migration product that provides custom chip designers with a simple, low-risk migration path from eASIC Nextreme and Nextreme-2 NEW ASICs to cell-based ASIC devices.The addition of easicopy™ enables OEMs to continue to innovate and quickly ramp to volume production using eASIC Nextreme series devices, and now migrate to lower cost easicopy™ cell-based ASIC when designs ramp to extremely high volumes.

OEMs typically engage in an easicopy™ design once their lower up-front cost Nexteme series design has been proven and is profitably ramping in production. eASIC engineers seamlessly migrate the Nextreme or Nextreme-2 design netlist to an easicopy™ solution taking care of arduous tasks such as DFT insertion, ATPG, I/O ring and power mesh design, clock tree synthesis, package design, routing, extraction, IR drop and formal verification. While eASIC engineers are migrating the design to easicopy™, OEMs continue to profitably ramp in production with the Nextreme series design, thereby mitigating overall design and production risks. Once the easicopy™ design is complete OEMs are able to switch production from their Nextreme or Nextreme-2 design to easicopy™ in order increase gross margins even further.

“Seagate is delighted to have launched Momentus®XT, the industry’s first solid state hybrid drive, using the easicopy ASIC Migration product,” said Kurt Richarz, Seagate executive vice president of sales. “We were able to use Nextreme NEW ASICs to accelerate time-to-market of Momentus®XT. eASIC seamlessly migrated our design to easicopy™. We see easicopy™ as a natural extension to our value engineering programs as we take products from initial ramp through to very high volumes.”

“We are seeing more customers who are successfully in volume production with their Nextreme series devices, wanting to ramp to very high volumes,” said Jasbinder Bhoot, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing, eASIC Corporation.“The combination of low-up front cost Nextreme series devices,and the lowest unit cost of easicopy™ solutions now gives customers the power to freely innovate and seamlessly ramp successful innovations from hundreds of thousands of units to millions of units, all with eASIC.”
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LOL at people panic selling already. Its incredible how amateur this market is

True. Like securing the IP and a manufacturer for a 28nm chip is so easy to do! Roll Eyes
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There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

I'm all ears. What are your precise objections?
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Precise? Oh well how about:

100 Fast-Hash-80's**    @ 80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
(Estimated to be delivered August 2013)

We are on schedule to receive 62 of these machine by the end of August.  We have 20,000 chips on order from
Avalon for these machines.

Now, I think you are a competitor just trying to spread FUD about AMC, I have looked at some of your
post and you seem to be tied to KnC as your forum name suggest "TheSwede75". and this:

[Group Buy #2] 1 KNC Miner Saturn 175 GH/s miner + hosting (10 shares) CLOSED

which is your group buy for KNC equipment.  Case Closed.
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LOL at people panic selling already. Its incredible how amateur this market is
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 Do you have a problem with someone providing a general summary of whats going on and allowing others to come to their own conclusion?

Absolutely not, that would be a great thing but this - "AMC is ABSOLUTELY not worth the .0025 / share" is not a general summary it's just an opinion.
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Relevant for those investing in AMC-PT. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241415.0;all

Also: What are these wild claims coming from? 'World fastest chip?" Both Bitfury and KNC miner has announced chips in 55nm/28nm that are expected for delivery in SEPTEMBER with same/competing hash rates. KNC's chip is a 55x55mm core @ 100 GH/s and Bitfury is a multicore chip capable of 0.3W per 1GH. What justifies a $25 MILLION valuation for a company with no track record, and a few 1000 BTC in total assets?

LOL! So, a Jupiter miner of 350GH/s will use 3.5 chips then? Grin Grin Grin
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This is GREAT News! Grin Shocked Grin Shocked Grin Shocked

The fact we are going with eASIC is just...  Shocked

I understand people's doubts, but they are really missing the important technical details: The fact that wafer production CAN start at the same time as the design process, meaning wafer production can start AS SOON AS WE GET THE NRE FUNDS.

Second is the easicopy migration.... That is really the icing on the cake!  Shocked

The fact AMC is getting back $1M from chip sales means not only we'll have our own chip, but also a huge fund to buy hardware! Grin Grin Grin

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There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

I'm all ears. What are your precise objections?

Precise? Oh well how about:

100 Fast-Hash-80's**    @ 80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
(Estimated to be delivered August 2013)

60 BTC in AUGUST 2013 for a Avalon clone? Yeah, people are right now demanding refunds for their Avalon Batch #3 since if they don't delivery BEFORE august they won't make their money back. Dream on with this pricing.

100 Fast-Hash-80's**    @ 80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
(Estimated to be delivered October 2013)

EVEN CRAZIER!

100 Fast-Hash-80's**    @ 80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
(Estimated to be delivered December 2013)

NOW ABSOLUTELY FANTASY

100 Fast-Hash-80's**    @ 80 GH/s each for a total of: 8 TH/s
Specifications: 110nm 282 MH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$6,000 each for a total of $600,000
(Estimated to be delivered February 2014)

THEY EXPECT TO SELL AVALON CLONES FOR $6000 IN FEBRUARY 2014? SERIOUSLY, TELL ME THIS IS A JOKE!

100 Fast-Hash-400's**    @ 400 GH/s each for a total of: 40 TH/s
Specifications: 45nm 6 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 1 board per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$30,000 each for a total of $3,000,000
(Estimated to be delivered March 2014)

400 GH/S @ $30k each delivered in MARCH 2014??? KNC is selling 400 GH/s miners with delivery in SEPT/OCT 2013 for $8000!!

100 Fast-Hash-800's**    @ 800 GH/s each for a total of: 80 TH/s
Specifications: 45nm 6 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 2 boards per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$60,000 each for a total of $6,000,000
(Estimated to be delivered May 2014)

Same absolutely nonsense and price inflation. MAY 2014 delivery @ 800 GH/s for $60k? BFL is selling Minirig @ 500 GH/s for $22k and no one is buying them!

100 Fast-Hash-1.2T's**    @ 1.2 TH/s each for a total of: 120 TH/s
Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 1 board per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$100,000 each for a total of $10,000,000
(Estimated to be delivered July 2014)

July 2014??? Yeah.. MAY be worth $10k by then.

100 Fast-Hash-2.4T's**    @ 2.4 TH/s each for a total of: 240 TH/s
Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 2 board per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$200,000 each for a total of $20,000,000
(Estimated to be delivered September 2014)

September 2014??? Yeah.. MAY be worth $10k by then.


100 Fast-Hash-4.8T's**    @ 4.8 TH/s each for a total of: 480 TH/s
Specifications: 28nm 9 GH/s chip 75 chips per board 4 board per unit
Estimated retail value @ ~$400,000 each for a total of $40,000,000
(Estimated to be delivered December 2014)

I think I have made my point.


I don't think that the company is a scam, or that the founders are not working hard. But seriously, at these price/profit projections I just don't see the profit there at all.
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Relevant for those investing in AMC-PT. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241415.0;all

Also: What are these wild claims coming from? 'World fastest chip?" Both Bitfury and KNC miner has announced chips in 55nm/28nm that are expected for delivery in SEPTEMBER with same/competing hash rates. KNC's chip is a 55x55mm core @ 100 GH/s and Bitfury is a multicore chip capable of 0.3W per 1GH. What justifies a $25 MILLION valuation for a company with no track record, and a few 1000 BTC in total assets?

No, the chips spec say a maximum of 10 GH/s, AMC chips is 16 GH/s no one comes close.
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Here you go:  Grin

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8 ) the profit calculation in contract is based on assumption that the difficulty will rise only by 6.5% on average for next 24 months

No the profit calculation in the contract is based on a 40 times increase in the difficulty in the next 25 months.  Also, there is a growth and expansion fund which receives 50% of the revenue for the next ~10 Months to purchase more mining equipment to keep up and exceed the difficulty raise.

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6) kslaughter has put his hard work and 6 Avalons in the company, now values his share in AMC for $15,000,000. Also he takes 90% of profit from the hardware sales

I guess that is true, however AMC gets machines at manufacturers cost, so the profit on those machine will be zero and AMC has a lot of rights to machines over the next year or so.

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7) kslaughter is now selling the shares for 0.0025, but can later sell more for 0.0005 as stated in the summary at bifunder (also that has happened before).

Yes, this has happened before, due to the Bitfunder "God" Ukto forcing AMC to sale shares at .0005 when the market price was .0008.

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1) for 0.0025 I can buy share that represents 1/100,000,000th of profits of AMC mining

For the next ~10 months the shares represents 1/40,000,000 of the profits due to 60,000,000 not being issued and thus not receiving any dividends at all.

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9) shares have no voting rights - does it mean that contract can be changed? Or that shares can be diluted (more than 100,000,000 issued)?

The contract can not be changed.  There can not be anymore than 100,000,000 shares issued.

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3) the AMC's hardware is preordered from this other company VMC

VMC was created to give AMC a stable source of Bitcoin Mining Machines, due to the likes of BFL, Avalon, KnC, etc having pre-orders, not delivering in a timely way, etc.

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4) the VMC's hardware development is supposedly funded by kslaughter (stated previously in this thread), but in the Marketing Strategy part of the contract at btct.co it's written "AMC is developing an ASIC chip which will be marketed through VMC." From the new anouncement: "VMC is also announcing today that 100% of the profits from bulk sales of the
Fast-Hash-ONE chips will be reimbursed to AMC until the total amount that AMC has paid to VMC for the NRE to create this chip is totally reimbursed to AMC."

I am funding VMC's business which is hardware sales, AMC is funding the development of the hardware and receiving tremendous benefits which include machines at manufacturers cost, 10% royalty on VMC sales which uses AMC technology (which will be most likely 100% by the way) and now as of today 100% of the profits from chips sales until the NRE is repaid.

 



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That was not the reaction i was expecting on the order books. Seems to be a stunned calm at the mo, not knowing what to make of it, and/or taking it in.  Huh

The news on the chips seems to have been exactly what people were suspecting, so the effect the news had on the share price had already been factored in at this point.
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That was not the reaction i was expecting on the order books. Seems to be a stunned calm at the mo, not knowing what to make of it, and/or taking it in.  Huh

Perfectly reasonable. You are talking about peoples hard earned money do you think they are going to throw it at a share on a news release that hasn't yet been officially released or scrutinized? This isn't a major on Wall St the news needs to be examined.
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Is it possible to see your shares price go down ?


Shares can go up as well as down - if you don't know that elemental fact you should not be putting your money into shares.
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That was not the reaction i was expecting on the order books. Seems to be a stunned calm at the mo, not knowing what to make of it, and/or taking it in.  Huh
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There are so many insecurities, man-sized holes, and pure 'makes no sense' holes in the entire 'business' and it's relationships with other companies I don't even know where to start. I am 100% totally jealous of the company owners that have managed to secure their retirement in a few weeks. Buying shares @ current value? HELL NO!

I'm all ears. What are your precise objections?

This guy on reddit raised some valid objections:

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AMC is ABSOLUTELY not worth the .0025 / share that it is going for right now. All of the increase since its original .008 price is based on this news that they have hardware coming out in the future that is on par with what others are offering.

Furthermore and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the company that is listed, AMC, will only receive a VERY SMALL percentage of profits from the sale of this hardware because it is some other company, VMC, that will actually be selling it. Basically what happened is that this one man, "Kenneth Slaughter", owns both AMC and VMC. KSlaughter used funds raised from his selling of AMC shares to fund development of hardware that VMC will sell. As a shareholder of AMC, you will only see 10% of the profits made from VMC even though you have wholly funded VMC's R&D.

Imagine in an alternate universe where ASICminer was instead two companies, say ASIC-1 and ASIC-2, where both are owned by friedcat. ASIC-1 mines for bitcoins while ASIC-2 produces hardware. However, friedcat only puts ASIC-1 on the market. When friedcat has his IPO, he will use the raised funds to produce hardware using ASIC-2. The shareholders will only see value of 10% of hardware sales and then the mining revenue, even though they are funding the entire operation. This alternate universe is essentially what you have with Kenneth Slaughter and AMC/VMC.

Other points of concern include that the dividends per share will be worth less than half of the % they currently receive by April of 2014 because in the written in the contract is the clause that allows KSlaughter to increase the amount of shares receiving dividends from the current 40,000,000 to the full 100,000,000 at that time.

Additionally, the contract allows KSlaughter to continuously undersell the current market price all the way down to .008 BTC/Share

This is not to say that AMC does not have value, but please be aware that any hardware "breakthroughs" should not have a 200% effect on share price.

Edit: Personally, I would buy in if prices fell to somewhere around .012 BTC/Share
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