Topic: American journalist James Foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS - page 2. (Read 11939 times)

would be interesting to see what PREVIOUS denouncements of Islamic extremism that did NOT directly threaten THEM that they made.

And by the way since you like to ignore things like this can you point out anything like that from the Islamic communities in the US or UK or anyplaces like that?

OR actually any marches protesting Islamic extremism in the West?

Notice how you keep dodging that question

You also seem to be unable to tell the difference between excuses and reasons.Where are the Religious leadership denouncements? Political types mean very little.And I wonder. Where are those marches in the US and the UK and elsewhere?

Indeed, the Grand Mufi of Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, and the head of turkey's Islamic community have all publicly condemned the ISIS which rounds out the big Sunni three. Throw on top of that the condemnations by the Arab League, and Iran and pretty much all of the big official bases are covered.

As far as mainstream leadership, your point might have had more weight if Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen hadn't made a joint statement denouncing ISIS on 08/11/14.

As far as marches and protests in dictatorships, they tend to happen less often.

There is no question US foreign policy has some blame for attacks against US interests. Nothing operates in a vacuum. If you piss people off enough, they react. This is the result of US foreign policy pissing off a lot of people. I'm neither attacking nor defending the policies themselves, just making a statement of fact that they sometimes cause violent blowback.

You were wrong on all three accounts. Deal with it.

Are you willingly this stupid or are you forced? I notice that you refuse to admit I was right on #3. And as regards #1 you are as dense as usual.
And I also notice you refused to admit I was right on that. And so called denouncements? No surprise an idiot like you would call them that.

you really do not study a lot of history do you?

Take a good hard look at the composition of the Japanese government (such as it was) during WW2. With attention especially to the Army senior officers who ran most of it.

You want fanatics? You got them right there.

Comparing the IS to the Japanese government is laughable.

It seems almost childishly naive to think that the United States, the global superpower, couldn't be the cause of anything in the world. The Islamic State has already been denounced by the largest names in formal Islam. When was the last time you marched in the streets against the activities of Jundallah? America did that twice. Japan unconditionally surrendered.

What should be pointed out again and again is how the mainstream Islamic leadership REFUSES to stand up and denounce the extremists. When was the last time you saw a march against Islamic extremists by other Islamics?

And then they wonder why no one thinks much of them.

always amuses me those numbies blaming the US for Islamic fanatics. Crazies have been around for millennia. Religious zealots as well. THe numbies refuse to acknowledge that blaming the US is pathetic. We are the EXCUSE. Not the reason.

We don't have any publicly available data that Qatar for example funds the Islamic State. This has been a pretty popular misconception because these countries fund other Islamist militias who may also work with say the Al Nusra Front or even contain Al Qaeda affiliates, but that isn't the same as directly funding the IS. In fact, these countries have been, under US pressure, cracking down fairly hard on financial sources for the Islamic State and even Al Nusra recently. Saudi Arabia might have at one point, it is hard to tell, we don't really have that data unfortunately and it is difficult to distinguish between private funders and those allowed to fund with Saudi government complicity / support.

A much better solution would be to educate them as to why mass killing is wrong. If they do not learn and still attempt to kill others then they should be punished, including possibly death, but only if they had committed very hanenious crimes.

The video is bogus. Not saying the foley didnt get killed but there is no way its being authentic since ISIS was/is occidental puppets.
This is yet another mambojumbo from US to mess with syria or whatever they want to do.

Here are the main points of the supercherie:

1/ HD quality, such nice bugdet uh?! is it a gopro?! they can certainly make a commercial out of it..
2/ 2 cams and angles, like a real holywood movie.. such production wow. yet we dont see the most important beheading part. such waste.
3/ They have some sensitive western TV show tie-microphones and there is no wind sound recoreded although they seem to apparently be in the freakin desert
4/ Foley and the other hostage appear in good health, not injured etc whilst being alledgedly captive for months (he even seems to have gained weight ffs!)
5/ They are wearing orange clothes.. which are kinda the same as in guantanamo.. where would desert fanatics would find such nice, clean and even ironed prisoners clothes?
6/ Although foley being 2minutes from death, he does not panic or anything. not a single tear.
7/ Foley talks clamly and repent or whatever. if i knew i was about to be beheaded i would not be that stoic. ffs he does not even glimpse when adressing for the last time his family.
8/ The speech is adressed at westerners. no allah uakbar or anything, just english.. and with a british accent.. lol
9/ Cutted scene of the actual beheading. lol why so cautious for our sensitive western habits? thought the point was to show the world their savagery and godwill.
10/ No blood shed when actually starting the beheading
11/ No blood on the executor's clothes or knife when threatening the other hostage afterwards at the end.

Just freaking bogus. Not the MO of real fanatic islamists that just love showing the blood of the infidels and crying out loud in arabic allah uakbar (especially when executing someone). So what? they evolved?! ^^
Like if they care about your western sensibility or whatever, no, they want to terrorise you. And they are certainly not going to talk the impure english language. These guys have ideals ffs! ^^


edit: and FFS snowden has linked ISIS Supreme Khalif al baghdadi to the CIA and the mossad. So keep your hate and anger towards muslims, this is just BS.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/


edit edit: Reminds me of those vids from that funny faked terrorist in the latest Iron man movie.. really

According to a few media outlets, the beheader was a former rapper from London (dude in the red baseball cap):



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/25/report-british-ex-rapper-identified-as-person-who-beheaded-james-foley-in-isis-video/
British ex-rapper identified as person who beheaded James Foley in ISIS video

You are a troll, because your answer to depravity is absolute depravity. You're not so much against the ways of the west as you're jealous that Slavic stupidity wasn't given a similar chance to fail on the same scale.

So what you're saying is that a rational response to horrific crimes is to emulate those crimes? Many people that have been conquered in the area due to the military incompetence and confused foreign policy of the US deserve to die at American hands because the US government didn't have the brains to take their dangerous toys away from people that didn't know how to keep them out of the hands of children?

That is an insane concept. You used to make some sense, but this is ridiculous. Mass killing of people who believe in mass killing won't change their minds, and mass killing of innocent people merely creates long term revenge motives. So you want to direct more hatred at the US? That is insane shit, man. You have issues.

Just because I'm anti-Democratic and anti-liberal doesn't mean that I'm a troll. Sure, outside the Western mainstream, but the West is a diseased society rotting from within, and the Western mainstream is somewhat of a hollow idol.

Modernism as the West defines it needs to be deconstructed and replaced with something that works and isn't totally decadent

What would you want him to have done? There are a million things that Obama could or should be occupied with, but he is also entitled to some time off. People are always going to criticize that sort of stuff with every leader just because they like to moan, but if any one of us cared about the state of the world we wouldn't be sat behind a computer screen and we certainly wouldn't get a single second of sleep at night. The fact that he played golf is utterly irrelevant IMO.