Topic: AMT fucks us over again - page 11. (Read 44952 times)

Quick, somebody tell Jimmothy before he gets in trouble!

That was weeks ago. Don't forget the many times that opie denied being a shill when I outright accused him of it. Deny Deny Deny, now he is upset that he got ripped off. However, he has been a good source of the private communications with AMT. I still think he's a rat, just trying to be a better rat now.

Well that's an interesting turn of events. lol

Why would he incriminate himself like that? Has anyone reported this to the FTC yet? Shilling is illegal:
http://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/federal_register_notices/guides-concerning-use-endorsements-and-testimonials-advertising-16-cfr-part-255/091015guidesconcerningtestimonials.pdf

Oh and I should mention Joshua Zipkin still frequents the forums. Even if he does not log in as one of his sock puppets or at all He does read what we write. Won't divulge my secret as to how I know, just that it is perfectly legal and it is his own inept inability to understand technology that makes it possible.

No Jim is still involved but again, Josh is a pathological liar, so hard to take even that at face value. But either way Jim is liable as he was apart of it and was the point of contact for many of us initially as was Alyssa Trusten (even a real person?). Their personal assets were likely involved. In which case that is where its coming from. BUT Josh is working to offshore the business away from the US to get away with this sadly just read what I posted before in the chat pretty obvious. So its entirely possible we will be left without little recourse unless we sue them personally for their personal assets. If course he is still incorporated in the US so he is screwed. Either way he is screwed.

LOL and still hit you (or friends) up for investing in him.
He's persistent, you gotta give him that

So basically Jim figured the easy money scam he was pitched wasn't worth going to jail over and got out.

According to Joshua Zipkin (which could be a lie) he plays a background role at best. Handles (cooks) the books basically. Accounting and stuff. He is not involved in the day to day stuff. Seems like Joshua is the only one running things outsourcing most of the work. Either way in the beginning Joshua Zipkin and Jim Brown were in on this. There were others. They are still accountable and will be. Well here is some info from Josh himself in a chat. I asked about that. Of course whatever claims he has about debt is BS IMO. He clearly has been having sales. Because on one hand he brags about it on the other he contradicts himself here as other chats show he is talking about huge deals he is making. All of those are here in the forums. But to answer your question this is the state of his employee situation as far as we know based on his own account.

[8/14/2014 11:33:41 AM] Opieum2: That reminds me I was just wondering. I know you mentioned you have no people...but what happened to your partners? Jim Brown. I saw mention of them and it got me wondering about that? where are they in all this?
[8/14/2014 11:34:01 AM] Opieum2: I mean if they got a financial stake in this I would imagine they would be doing more here to help you out
[8/14/2014 11:34:09 AM] Joshua: not much
[8/14/2014 11:35:05 AM] Joshua: what financial stake? in the debt?
[8/14/2014 11:35:17 AM] Joshua: its not like we have dividends to hand out
[8/14/2014 11:36:28 AM] Joshua: Jim does the backend, financials and thats about it. He basically checked out after the case was filed. Hes still on board but just doesnt want to deal with clients or sales.
[8/14/2014 11:36:53 AM] Joshua: Alyssa does the accounts but she got another part time job because we couldnt afford keep her on full time
[8/14/2014 11:37:34 AM] Joshua: we basically let everyone in the US accept for a few part times girls which hang out around the office for next to nothing
[8/14/2014 11:37:55 AM] Joshua: and outsourced the office bg, and we focus on EU and Asian sales via EU and Asian incorporated companies.
[8/14/2014 11:38:29 AM] Joshua: cant do much with little funding and dont want to sell to the US driectly until this crap is all over.
[8/14/2014 11:38:46 AM] Opieum2: Gotcha
[8/14/2014 11:39:08 AM] Joshua: so if you have any friends that want to invest, let me know

With everyone so focused on Josh (and rightly so) I was wondering, what's the deal with Jim (or whatever his real name is)?
Has he been dropped from all of this?
Could he be "convinced" to assist?

Or is just out of the picture completely?

Old school, classic, protesters move.. I am all with you guys! I just hope these guys from AMT get what they deserve

I would wear an AMT stole my money t-shit with their logo and all.

And it would have a QR code that leads to the chats.

Yea the timing is bad for me also that said Josh is lucky I won't be there also. He will of course have a flunky there. Best you can hope is you start talking about how AMT is a scam company and watch they react hostile in a way they get imprisoned lol.

I wish I didn't have class this upcoming week or I would be there with you.

I sure hope josh is in attendance. Or if he hired some local to run the booth scare them off and man the booth your self.

i will let everyone know at that conference AMT miners is a fucking scam.

With the inside bitcoins conference coming up and AMT being there, seems like we should make sure conference attendees should be aware of the fact that AMT is a problematic vendor at best. Least now that we know the FTC goes after companies for doing  the things that AMT did (BFL actually is now in hot water over) then it stands to reason AMT will be next.

lol yea man. That was excellent stuff. Plenty of precedent. I have been mostly getting people connected. There is plenty going on. It is only a matter of time before Josh is forced to deal with the consequences. Joshua Zipkin probably thinks he is untouchable and I am sure this case situation change certainly reinforces that idea. Again seeing the case status it would be in everyone's best interest to file reports with the FTC. They clearly do take action.

Hem opieum of you think what I found in the AMT documents is good then I urge you to go check out the BFL thread. You can thank me latter.

This....wtf??? I think everyone here knows he publicly passed the buck off support to me. One of his customers who happened to be technically inclined. He deleted the post of course not too long after. But he has a consistent pattern of no support. and the complaints clearly state it. Anyone want to add their experience with the hardware? OR lack of hardware? Or missing parts? Feel free to add your experience no matter where you are from. "Joshua Zipkin is a compulsive liar".

According to Josh and his sales and order list AMT only had 183 Orders for a total 219 miners.

The document is a mess though, order date and paid date are in the ddmmyyy format, but shipping dates are in the mmddyyyy (when they even follow that format anyway). It lists customers whose miners had shipped first, but rather than listing by order number it is listed by state. After separation by state the order as presented appears to be random. The ordered item has different names for the same product. The 1.2th/s miner is referred to  as  1.2th/s coin miner and as AMT1200 making it even harder to get a clear picture of what was ordered with a quick glance. At worst this was done to confuse the courts at best it just goes to show how disorganized AMT is and speaks to josh's self proclaimed inability to manage. It also speaks to his incompetence as a businessman.

The lowest order number I see is 492, the highest is 1700. I'm not sure why though as they only sold 183 orders.  Seems to me that perhaps they wanted to start with higher order numbers to make it seem like a considerable amount of orders were already placed. But that is purely speculation on my part.

Largest order on the list was $50,000 followed closely by $41,000

Order date of #492 was 10/8/2013 for a 1.2th/s at the time AMT submitted this document they had only fulfilled 45 orders order #492 was not one of them.

Mine however was ordered on 1/31/2013 and shipped before #492. It's important to note that AMT counts the broken ass rigs they sent out as complete orders as mine is dated April 7th 2014.

I see opieum's order and can only identify it by the fact that Josh put his name out in the open. Important for it to be noted that with AMT you have no privacy.