Topic: An agent is no where to be found. - page 6. (Read 637 times)

Don't these kinds of "shops" have a registration or something? Well at least in mine, registrations are required at a certain point, and considering this was related to gambling, I would've reckoned that they needed said permits to continue their business. Even if there wasn't any, you'd usually see some contracts restricting the agent from being able to just run away willy-nilly from their customers in the blink of an eye, otherwise, no one would trust these said agents(regardless if the one was at fault was the owner/manager/employee). I'd partly blame the customer here really.

I haven't really personally experienced using gambling agents (nor do I see any use for them), but from what I looked up they're there to make the lives of bettors and bookies easier, kind of like real estate agents, but from what I know of said agents, you need to know what you're reading/doing before even being able to hire them, which a lot of people really don't.

however it depends on the gambler himself. like offline casinos, it gives a different playing sensation to every gambler. meet lots of people, chat about anything, and drink. There is a sensation when you go to an offline gambling place that of course you won't get when you play online.
I'm sure the experience you described occurred at an illegal gambling place. It would be different if you played in a legal place and situationally it would make the gambler happy.

every gambler has their preferences. although for me personally, online gambling is more comfortable for me who doesn't really like crowds.

It's really unlikely you are going to face any issues when playing at a popular and reputable online casino and sportsbook, if you are a legit player. The chances of being scammed are much higher when playing at those physical shops, as the public is limited and the house doesn't have much influence and popularity, so it's more likely they have nothing to lose when scamming players, while a global platform dealing with thousands of gamblers from every corners in the world will be very careful when denying a payment to a winner, since they have much more to lose through a single mistake that may cost their entire base of customers.

I agree with you regarding the social activities and fun part of the gambling shops. Just like you said, VFL is one aspect of gambling that is booming and mostly played in the shops even though it is also played online.
However, that does not remove the part that majority of those who actually gamble in these shops are the least educated and probably the elderly. I have visited such shops on several occasions just for the fun part of it but even while in the shop I gamble with my phone online. I replied you just to make this clarifications so that we are on the same page.

A good number of knowledgeable players use these shops to stake games. Mostly for virtual games. The interesting thing about gambling shop is the social activities. Some gamblers would want to discuss with other like minds. It's fun. But, these mistakes is what keeps most people like myself away from gambling shops. Although, while in the shop the agent can pay cash, or convince the winner to come the next day. I think the agent used such technique to dismiss the player. Then made his moves to wherever he is today. Leaving behind the gambler. Since nobody helps them in booking the game, then most of them are learned people. Managing such a business is not easy. It requires a high management skill. A lot of gambling shops crumble, and they'll be waiting for a big win, boom rug-pull. He can't take giving out huge amount to his customer and remain with no fund. Adding that the money came through him. You see, these agents have a plan B. Some will shut down and never pop up again, while others can be opening from time to time. Reasonable agents while away work hard to replenish their customer, such as to open their shop again. Volatility can happen in their business, and not being able to hold the money and utilize it well, can be a problem when a huge amount is meant to be paid to a winner. I know they have their own profits, each play. With good business strategy, they'll have enough left to take care of wins, without feeling like stealing it. 

Above all, the agent should be penalized by the company. Their moves affect negatively the reputation of the gambling platform. If some shop survive the business, and see great profits through it. I think those who have difficulty managing such a business, know little about the business. Before setting it up. Some rush to hire multiple staff, which managing them would be another expenses. So, while using gambling shops, we need to know who we're going to their shop. Whether they have good reputation and history.

Well, it can also happen even in online casinos. They can hold your winnings, accuse a gambler of cheating or breaking a certain rules (even it's not the case). Therefore regardless where you gamble, the risk is always there.

BUT this can only happen if the casino or betting shop are shady or they're real scammers. People who run their business legitimately won't dare to ruin their names since it's not easy to build a good reputation. In agent's shop, if the workers run away with the money, the owner must pay it since it's his/her responsibility. Moreover it's partly his fault by hiring a dishonest workers.

A reputable gambling site will never cheat any gambler like this. Maybe the casino you mentioned is a scam site where a player doesn't pay the money when they lose but runs away with the money. Did the gambler complain to the law about the agent? 
If that is the case I think he will never get his money back from the agent as he has run away and is not easy to catch. But if such a gambling platform treats the players in this way then the casino will never survive and will be shut down within few days. Moreover, I think it is better not to bet on such gambling sites, because online casinos pay the most nowadays. And there are very few platform scams if go to good online gambling sites and bet, players are never scammed by those agents but pay their winnings.

Just because of this one incident happening doesn't mean that your claim that you can't trust gambling houses that have agents, it's just that the business that hired that agent didn't do their due diligence of investigating the person before hiring them. The only saving grace to the situation that you're talking about would be that the owner would still pay the person and conduct an investigation to arrest or apprehend the agent.

That's what I thought too, background checks does wonders although given the limited information, it's safe to also assume that the gambling shop did their due diligence of background check and this was just the moment that the agent finally found the price for selling his soul/dignity.

I understand that gambling shops are popular in some parts of the world like Africa and Eastern Europe... people visit these shops to place their bet via agents of the big casinos and betting companies. A good percentage of those who patronise these shops are the elderly and less educated people who do not know how to go about registering and playing online. So they are constrained to patronise these shops.

Just like the experience you narrated, the risk of gambling in these shops is high and I have seen a couple of times where the agents ran away especially when there is a major winning.

The best they can do is to report to the police, who will take a very long time to find the agent who would have ghosted to a very interior village or probably travelled abroad.

Well, this first of all has a cultural, village aspect, that is, in the 21st century this exists in many places, people like to bet, and the social, economic and technological conditions do not prevent it, as long as there is someone willing to bet. To make a bet, you only need a table and the game of chance on it, that's all.

I don't know what's strange about this news (story) it's something that happens, then, if the site is illegal, there is no possible claim before the legal entities, you would end up in prison for playing on illegal sites, if it is legal, they will pay you whenever they want, then the moral is, you are so addicted to a bet to avoid making it in a seedy place...

In fact, I mentioned that these types of places exist in towns far from the main cities, but the reality is that "the table and the game of chance on it" can be found even in the best hotel room in Las Vegas, So regardless of the luxury of the table, if you are somewhere betting, your safety and the money you bet are associated with the common sense of the place where you put your ass on that table and the game of chance on it.

There are dangers everywhere, we are not exempt, but we must minimize the risks associated with payments and our own physical security, those two variables are not so difficult to follow, the variance in each bet is already "fk" us, so reduce it to just random for each bet you make, and try to ensure that the physical space and those who pay you are reliable.

Then the gambler should just complain to the gambling site and hear the response that they will give. The gambling company should be held responsible for not having a reputable agent, and I'm sure the company is going to have more information about the agent that can be used to track him down, maybe his permanent home address or other information. I don’t just like visiting gambling shops to gamble for so many reasons. If you gamble in a physical gambling shop and you win, then you are not safe, you can be tracked and robbed. But if you gamble online, nobody knows the amount of money you win and you can’t be tracked.
 
I know both online and physical gambling have advantages and disadvantages, but I still prefer gambling online to visiting gambling shops. But some people find it boring whenever they are alone gambling, they prefer to gamble where there is a crowd.

This is quite weird. Well the owner of the shop ks the one going to bear the brunt and not the customer who had won the money. This case doesn't even concern the customer and if the owner decides pay up, the customer can seek legal action.

Another reason why you should carry out a proper background check before employing anyone. We do not just deal with gambling addicts, also deal with thieves in physical sports bookies.

They can't run to anywhere if that betting shop is a registered and licensed one, I can recall a similar case like that when someone win's huge amount of money and yet to be cashed out, immediately the owner of the shop decided to leave. I mean he closed his shop and never opened for some days what they did was to report the agent to officially site and the block his account not to withdraw any amount until he goes to the head office with the winners by then those gamblers were asked to come with their betting slips to know how much each everyone that bet in his units won and lastly everyone took their money.

Then bounce back to online gambling, well I can't say they are not trusted and reliable but most times when you have a better chances of winning higher amount those casino operators can easily suspect a fault or scam attempt to lock your account after which you would written for several times but won't be opened instead they will open their ToS especially the ones in their favor to make them confiscate your funds without you getting any even after submitting several kyc. I think I have came across issues like this at the scam accusation board.

I have also witnessed cases like this before where agents ran away with people's money, but the truth is that they find many of them because the person who played the game can go and report the case to the bet headquarters. And in that case, the bet company will look for gents to pay their customers because before any person opens the bet shop under any bet company, the person must drop their documents. But the best reason to be on the safer side is to get your account online. So only always control everything yourself. As for my gain, I don't even like to bet on shops but only on my bet account, and all this is for personal security because if someone wins a large amount of money on a shop, people will get notifications easily.

that is true, we can't conclude in general what may happen to offline betting shops. this doesn't happen to all of them, as you said, such situation is an isolated case and we don't know the reasons behind such hiding. such similar situation may also happen to online bookies, if the bookie itself is running low or has no enough bankroll or just don't want to pay their winning bettor. they can run away as well or better yet, ban or block your account esp those known bookies with unresolved cases.

Yes, it’s actually more risky to trust online gambling sites than to bet at a physical betting shop wherein you will personally meet the owner of the shop. At least, you know that shop has no ghost manager, unlike most of the online gambling sites that are only using random names to act as their gambling consultant or manager that we don’t even know if those people really exist or not. And because of that, our funds will be put at a high risk as they can hold it or run it anytime especially if we are winning at a consistent basis.

I may need clarifications on this. Does it mean the customer can't withdraw directly from the betting website. Where they booked games. Is the agent affiliated to their payments? Agents work for the website. Players can easily stake games online with their gadgets. And avoid these agents. It's really a sad regular story. Lots of players keep having problems with the agent not having sufficient money to pay their wins. Despite being credited by the betting company. I don't understand why people use the betting agent to stake game. And not prefer gambling completely online. No where is safe for gamblers. Similar kind of problem we always see about online casinos ripping player's money. The offline agents doing such thing are meddling with their reputations. Because people will never patronize them again. And he'll also lose out lots of profits as a result of not being punctual to work. By running from his customers.

 
The owner of the shop is the agent, I guess. But, he is affiliated to the company. Knowing the owner of the company is quite difficult. They can be known by their online profiles, but seeing them in real life would be hard. Gambling consists of a lot of players who you cannot trust. Even the owner, agent or follow gamblers. Most of them need fast money. That's why we seen series of bad stories tagged to gambling. The best for players is to stake carefully and not trust so much any agent or platform with our wins.

Especially in the evolution of sports betting today, online sportsbooks nowadays are the only good option, providing the flexibility to place bets at your convenience with a many options and features, better safety, and the comfort of doing it from home while watching the game. Beside that payouts of your winnings are made almost instantly. I don’t understand why some people still opt for traditional betting methods knowing the high possibility of having issues, mistakes or even face scam for one bet.

This story you shared is a lesson for that player who placed trust in that agent, and I bet that the odds he offered him were so low compared to sportsbook. I doubt that this guy is aware of online casinos that offer live betting otherwise the events that agent is offering might not be listed in sportsbooks? For someone who knows everything and still continues to bet the old way, it’s a madness.

The gambler use the gambling sites to hold their funds for the longer period,because the gambling site was the safer one to hold the money which you kept for the gambling.And you no need to use to pay more fee for the transaction or deposit of dollars to the gambling sites all the time.The gambler can use the gambling site without using the agent for the gambling.In the ancient days the gambler use the agent for the gambling and agent for the trading.Now the transaction was very straight one,the gambler can do the gambling by the direct interaction with the gambling site.So no money need to pay as the commission to the gambling.

Online gambling is still the best but they still have their own deficiencies  too, because most times you have to do a lot of verifications and kyc before you can actually touch your money after winning a bet. But I think is the most effective, because your money will be credited your bet account easily and to to agent account.
But this particular incident you are describing, I'm trying to understand.
 is it that the money that was won by the person that placed the bet was credited into the betting agent account, if that is the case, the original winner of the bet can take up the matter to the betting company direct with his bet ticket, I believe the bet company will do something about it.