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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

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what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

I would say any card game that is known around the world could be used in a PvP setup. There a some competitive card games out there which have championships in my city, the only problem is that you only play it with 4 people. The attractiveness of poker is that you can sit with 10 people on one table and play for a lot of money. If you find no limit holdem to competitive you could try and go for different variants like Omaha for example.

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I wanted to suggest other card games like HiLo, blackjack but then even you are skillfull to these games, we cant really beat the house. I mean, instinct will always be rely on that game and of course pure luck. I just dont stick with one game, since gambling is something that we can be a winner or a loser. So it is best to not stick with one game even you think you have skills on that game.

And yeah, it is hard to beat those well set algorithms. Eventually, there are times that you cant predict those cards or games as well. Why not try dice and mines with different autobet strategies?

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I think Poker is the only game where skills count more than any other PvP game and luck is just a small part of it.Blackjack you can play against other persons but the problem is luck plays a considerable part here in determining the winner.For me the best game for skillful players is Poker.

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Quote from: Wexnident on April 11, 2021, 07:57:54 PM

I mean afaik, the only skill you can actually use in Poker is using your cards right and reading the expressions of the others (irl, though in online this is impossible)

I think that poker is almost entirely skill. Whilst luck is hugely important in any individual hand, it evens out over time. If you play poker solidly for a year, then your profit/loss situation at the end of that year will have very little to do with luck.
Also reading others online is perfectly possible. I agree that you don't see faces or body language, which means it's not to the same extent, but certain patterns of play from certain individuals can become very apparent and readable.

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 11, 2021, 07:07:16 PM

not a new game but here in the Philippines we have a game called tong its(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong-its ) and it is a PVP game. in my opinion and experience playing this game require strategy, skill on how to read your enemy and their cards and how to efficiently discard cards that you don't need but one wrong move can cause you to lose the game.

This one is a good one but I don't know how to play this one even if I saw a lot of people playing this kind of thing in my place and funerals that I went to. I would suggest something similar to poker that I have seen in the anime that I watch, it's called Blind Mans Bluff or Indian Poker, try to check it out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_man's_bluff_(poker)

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Quote from: STT on April 11, 2021, 06:04:34 PM

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solved by algorithms

There is no way to solve exactly that you dont know the other persons cards, human skill is still probably best at this (because we can recognize each others patterns).

You are right that Poker is a game of incomplete information and as such, algorithms cannot be applied to solve it as one would do in chess. But there are so-called Poker Solvers, which analyze all the possibilities and give you the most optimal solution based on the data.

Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker?

It is difficult for an alternative to Poker to succeed. Besides, if it is a mixture of luck and skill, like Poker, solvers can also be applied to it, so we have the same problem, your objection would still apply.

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Quote from: Kemarit on April 11, 2021, 08:01:20 PM

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I think besides the usual Poker, there are a lot of other options to play, you can sit on the table and play and wait for others to join you, so it's also a PVP.

There is no such thing like "usual poker". Poker is poker, just has different games.
And before playing at swc I would rather recommend some fiat poker sites with actual traffic.

But thats not what the guy asked for.

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I think besides the usual Poker, there are a lot of other options to play, you can sit on the table and play and wait for others to join you, so it's also a PVP.

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I mean afaik, the only skill you can actually use in Poker is using your cards right and reading the expressions of the others (irl, though in online this is impossible), which leaves us with using your cards right. Blackjack should offer the same idea as well, e.g. with the basic idea of fighting when you have a total greater than 17/18.

Additionally, Poker is solved by algorithms? Care to share your source on that? You can't exactly expect more players to actually enter t he gambling scene especially in times like this so I suppose it's quite natural that there are lesser players today, but at the same time, I don't really think it's dead. If it was, you'd honestly see casinos removing them from their site since the game is dead, but it isn't, which basically means that they still generate profit one way or another.

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not a new game but here in the Philippines we have a game called tong its(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong-its ) and it is a PVP game. in my opinion and experience playing this game require strategy, skill on how to read your enemy and their cards and how to efficiently discard cards that you don't need but one wrong move can cause you to lose the game.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

This could be a setup that you personally will make and have a match against another opponent but hard to find that kind of platform that will do that for you.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 11, 2021, 05:35:27 PM

There is always blockchain based splinterlands and alien worlds.

https://splinterlands.com/
https://alienworlds.io/

Splinterlands is a PvP browser based card game similar to pokemon, yugioh or magic the gathering. Their site hosts tournaments where money and prizes can be won(like poker). Cards double as NFTs thanks to their limited production being certified and validated by blockchain. There are also a few different exchanges/markets where cards can be bought or sold. Which opens up very small (ARB) arbitrage opportunities for those interested in trading. The same card might sell at $0.05 in one market and $0.06 in another. Which could make it possible to buy a card at $0.05. Move it to the other market and sell for $0.06 to make a small profit.

I didn't expect much but splinterlands is actually a very good game IMO.

Alien worlds I have no experience with. But plan to try later when I can.

Wow, didn't know that there's one that exists through a browser. It's easier because it's on the browser as it doesn't require to download. I'll check that splinterlands. Thank you.

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solved by algorithms

There is no way to solve exactly that you dont know the other persons cards, human skill is still probably best at this (because we can recognize each others patterns). Chess on the other hand, I think computers have defeated the majority of human effort by sheer computational reference not AI exactly by itself. Thing is probability theory and ways to calculate chance for an average success has been around hundreds of years, its not just computers but computers makes the whole process alot easier and assessible to the normal population.
A chess grand master was found to be consulting a computer in the bathroom during a game vs a kid, you arent the only one at this difficult juncture. Its still the case online mostly in pvp you are most important. Anyhow I think this is a general thing not just poker and people have been working out cards in their head for years anyway.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

Almost 90% of the games you'd find around online casinos are based on house-edge. I recollect there were a few small games like that rat race, which were sort of p2p but didn't get too far as they just don't interest regular gamblers. You could definitely find a live Poker where you play against an actual player and no computer is involved and yes even the shuffling is live. Again, very uncommon scenario in gambling.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

Maybe something like this? Try giving it a look.

Blackjack.Fun
https://blackjack.fun/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blackjackfun-up-to-80-rakeback-slotssportsesports-jack-token-5106215

You can play and compete with other players here.

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There is always blockchain based splinterlands and alien worlds.

https://splinterlands.com/
https://alienworlds.io/

Splinterlands is a PvP browser based card game similar to pokemon, yugioh or magic the gathering. Their site hosts tournaments where money and prizes can be won(like poker). Cards double as NFTs thanks to their limited production being certified and validated by blockchain. There are also a few different exchanges/markets where cards can be bought or sold. Which opens up very small (ARB) arbitrage opportunities for those interested in trading. The same card might sell at $0.05 in one market and $0.06 in another. Which could make it possible to buy a card at $0.05. Move it to the other market and sell for $0.06 to make a small profit.

I didn't expect much but splinterlands is actually a very good game IMO.

Alien worlds I have no experience with. But plan to try later when I can.

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I cant see any alternative to poker.Why would search for one if those currently existing are enough for us to get entertained or to deal with it?

Gambling games can be classified into different type its neither against with the house or PvP but we know that in PvP aspect it isnt really that
much getting some attraction on this market but rather sticking out with those against with the house type of games.For now we cant
see some unique game but we might see it in near future if someones does have its great idea.

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Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

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