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legendary
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Welt Am Draht
February 21, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
Nah he is right, every halvening is less important then the previous.   Any greater movement will come in the year or two after the block reward is halved and thats happened in the past.    The rise before the event is anticipation but the actual effect of the block reward falling is in action only afterwards and increases over time by reducing supply of new BTC but the alteration we make in 2020 is far less then previous changes , its a diminishing effect.

I agree with the principle but I think this one will be the biggest of all and it'll start to roll gently downhill in impact from the next one in 2024 onwards.

It's happening just as more building blocks are falling into place, it's being taken seriously by more people than ever and in a way it hasn't up until recent times and the inflation rate will be lower than the average fiat currency just as it steps up into a new phase of legitimacy.

At the same time it's going to properly dawn on people that there really aren't that many fresh ones left to arrive. That was a factor barely worth considering with both previous halvings. There were still millions of coins to come. Now it's just over 10% for the rest of eternity.

That's a variety of factors aligning around this one that are unique and will never be repeated.

Guess we'll see soon enough.


Expectations over the halving are too high. They remind me of futures and BAKKT hypes.

Anyone who equates a major shift in the fundamentals of the whole thing with a couple of bits of tinsel in one jurisdiction isn't thinking hard enough.
legendary
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February 21, 2020, 04:40:03 PM
Nah he is right, every halvening is less important then the previous.

LOL, there has only been 2 halvings so far. With this small of a data set, we're speaking in the realm of coincidence, not reliable patterns.

In hindsight, we may find this entire first decade of price discovery was essentially noise before the vertical swing of an S-curve. I would be weary of assuming the past cycles will automatically extrapolate into the future. The trend could reverse, or the magnitude could increase (or decrease) even by orders of magnitude.



The people planning to sell at $60K-$100K because they insist BTC must follow the past logarithmic trend (with diminishing gains) may end up selling way too early.
STT
legendary
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February 21, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
Nah he is right, every halvening is less important then the previous.   Any greater movement will come in the year or two after the block reward is halved and thats happened in the past.    The rise before the event is anticipation but the actual effect of the block reward falling is in action only afterwards and increases over time by reducing supply of new BTC but the alteration we make in 2020 is far less then previous changes , its a diminishing effect.
legendary
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February 21, 2020, 01:56:33 PM
I dont believe there will be a ATH this year. Maybe in 2021.

This year might end with a price between 15k and 18k. And I'm being optimistic.

Experience tells me overhyped things do not work.

Expectations over the halving are too high. They remind me of futures and BAKKT hypes.

Let me guess. You joined crypto after 2015? Right?
legendary
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February 21, 2020, 01:00:53 AM
Experience tells me overhyped things do not work.

Expectations over the halving are too high. They remind me of futures and BAKKT hypes.

Bears keep saying that, but I keep seeing the opposite: people saying the halving is already priced in, the stock-to-flow model is dead, etc. I would say sentiment is mixed at best.

The market doesn't feel greedy, not yet anyway. The Fear & Greed Index unsurprisingly stands at 44 (Fear). We've got a long ways to go before the market is over-hyped or exuberant. https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/
sr. member
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February 20, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
I dont believe there will be a ATH this year. Maybe in 2021.

This year might end with a price between 15k and 18k. And I'm being optimistic.

Experience tells me overhyped things do not work.

Expectations over the halving are too high. They remind me of futures and BAKKT hypes.
legendary
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February 20, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
A few things.

The market was already bullish before the two previous halvings. Therefore, there could be absolutely no correlation.

This time, in 2020 the market is not bullish yet, it is at a critical point right now but it won't be bullish before we break above 10.5k and so far it has proved to be a very strong resistance. If Bitcoin price retraces to 8k area, then we are still in a bear market. And if we are still in a bear market before the halvening occurs, we cannot predict the future based on what happened during the two previous halvenings as the trend and context are different (bearish).

Last thing: every time the herd says something, doing the opposite is likely to generate profits.

Right now the herd says we will see a new ATH because of the recent golden cross + incoming halvening.

Make your own conclusions.

Until we breach the December 2018 lows, we could be in a larger bull market. Until we breach the June 2019 highs, we could be in a larger bear market. This can only be known after the fact, in hindsight.

Returning to $8K seems like an arbitrary measure. It could just be a retracement in a bull market, like this:

sr. member
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February 20, 2020, 12:55:47 PM
everyone thinks he is the genius, and the rest are the herd.

I resemble that remark!
legendary
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February 20, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
A few things.

The market was already bullish before the two previous halvings. Therefore, there could be absolutely no correlation.

This time, in 2020 the market is not bullish yet, it is at a critical point right now but it won't be bullish before we break above 10.5k and so far it has proved to be a very strong resistance. If Bitcoin price retraces to 8k area, then we are still in a bear market. And if we are still in a bear market before the halvening occurs, we cannot predict the future based on what happened during the two previous halvenings as the trend and context are different (bearish).

Last thing: every time the herd says something, doing the opposite is likely to generate profits.

Right now the herd says we will see a new ATH because of the recent golden cross + incoming halvening.


Make your own conclusions.

Heh  Grin

Do you have a special 'certified herd place' where you unmistakably read the herd's opinion? Or do you have an access to user opinion statistics to find out what 'herd' really thinks?
People say lots of different things - and depending on where you prefer to look for opinions, you could get completely different views on what 'herd' says.

In general, you are right, doing the opposite of what herd says, is likely to generate profits. But 'who is the part of the herd, and who isn't' - is the real question. From what I have seen, everyone thinks he is the genius, and the rest are the herd.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 20, 2020, 10:51:25 AM
aha but what if everyone is trying to do the opposite?

member
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February 20, 2020, 07:38:20 AM
A few things.

The market was already bullish before the two previous halvings. Therefore, there could be absolutely no correlation.

This time, in 2020 the market is not bullish yet, it is at a critical point right now but it won't be bullish before we break above 10.5k and so far it has proved to be a very strong resistance. If Bitcoin price retraces to 8k area, then we are still in a bear market. And if we are still in a bear market before the halvening occurs, we cannot predict the future based on what happened during the two previous halvenings as the trend and context are different (bearish).

Last thing: every time the herd says something, doing the opposite is likely to generate profits.

Right now the herd says we will see a new ATH because of the recent golden cross + incoming halvening.

Make your own conclusions.
legendary
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February 12, 2020, 01:28:01 AM
J0E008 ?
sr. member
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February 11, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
This may become The Big One.

It went up infinity percent already, what's another 10x?  Wink
Well, you can't divide by zero now, can you?
I put the actual figure at about four or five million percent.
  Huh Grin Roll Eyes
hero member
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advocate of a cryptographic attack on the globe
February 11, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
This may become The Big One.

It went up infinity percent already, what's another 10x?  Wink
legendary
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yes
February 11, 2020, 05:09:44 PM
Excellent points made.

There is a fair chance that Halvening 3 (tm) will be the precursor for the next moonshot. Masterluc may prove too cautious, perhaps because of the attention his earlier predictions received over time, leading to a kind of cult status. Personally, I dig that position, but I am also fully aware that every light is turning green again.

This may become The Big One.
legendary
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February 11, 2020, 02:17:49 PM
What i mean is that the event itself, the day / the week / the month does not show an immediate impact on the price. If there is an impact, it’s much more indirect. That makes me a bit cautious now that the crowd treats it as a given bullish indicator.

Regarding the crowd, I think it's more of a mixed bag. The forum gives a skewed view because of all the sig spammers earning crypto and because, well, it's a Bitcoin forum.

However, like 2016, there are lots of naysayers claiming the halving is already priced in ("that's what the 2019 rally was!"), that the market is topping out, or that the halving itself is bearish:

Examples:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/next-bitcoin-halving-will-drive-the-price-down-5213304
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53813709
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53782886
legendary
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February 11, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
how could you definitively say there is no visible impact on price? take this bull run off the $6000s, for instance. how do you (and masterluc) know the market isn't being driven up by halving-related hype right now?
What i mean is that the event itself, the day / the week / the month does not show an immediate impact on the price. If there is an impact, it’s much more indirect. That makes me a bit cautious now that the crowd treats it as a given bullish indicator.

if the efficient-market hypothesis has any validity, then the halving should affect prices long before the event itself. the market won't necessarily wait until may 2020 to begin moving.

look at what happened before the july 2016 halving. in may-june 2016, the price went from $440 to $780. was it due to the halving? it's impossible to tell, of course. it could be coincidental.

but it also seems silly to look at that event (and the current bull run from $6.4k to $10.4k) and act like they obviously have no visible effect on price. my gut reaction from looking at the charts is the opposite!

masterluc is drawing a very arbitrary trend line and sort of just deciding the uptrend is over now because of his internal wave b count. yet the wave b he has drawn (and also the larger degree B) are impulses, which he himself admits. it doesn't make any sense. he has a very unorthodox view of elliott wave theory.

this would be another one of those legendary predictions of old if he is proven right.
legendary
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yes
February 11, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
And I can understand the message of Masterluc. Too much hype around the halvening indeed and no directly visible impact on the price in USD.

how could you definitively say there is no visible impact on price? take this bull run off the $6000s, for instance. how do you (and masterluc) know the market isn't being driven up by halving-related hype right now?

What i mean is that the event itself, the day / the week / the month does not show an immediate impact on the price. If there is an impact, it’s much more indirect. That makes me a bit cautious now that the crowd treats it as a given bullish indicator.
legendary
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February 11, 2020, 12:50:05 PM
And I can understand the message of Masterluc. Too much hype around the halvening indeed and no directly visible impact on the price in USD.

how could you definitively say there is no visible impact on price? take this bull run off the $6000s, for instance. how do you (and masterluc) know the market isn't being driven up by halving-related hype right now?
legendary
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yes
February 11, 2020, 08:40:42 AM
From empirical observation, the big booms exhibit a phase relationship with the halvings.
Cycle frequency, a bit less than four years.
You don't see the halvings causing immediate frenzy.  
Rather, momentum builds abetted by the halving's effects.

This.

And I can understand the message of Masterluc. Too much hype around the halvening indeed and no directly visible impact on the price in USD. We may as well linger for months on end after the halvening has taken place. Who knows.
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