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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 21, 2019, 11:31:36 PM

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Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

Doesn't really matter how much Joshua slims down, he was completely outclassed in the first fight, and he really didn't even try to dodge most of the punches. He just took a full clip of punches right to the head and body practically every time he hit Ruiz with a good shot. He then just closed down, with a high guard but was still taking shots to the temple.

Even if there is strong pressure on the judges to award him any decisions, the next fight is unlikely to go the distance to reach the scorecards. Someone is getting knocked-the-f-out.

Was Anthony Joshua really outclassed during the first fight? He knocked down Andy Ruiz which was also Andy's first time to be knocked down by anyone according to some articles.

If he was outclassed, I reckon it would be more because Anthony Joshua was not fighting on 100% condition.

He was also knocked down on the same round by Andy Ruiz, Joshua should have finished that fight by round 3. Fortunately, Ruiz quickly recovered and put Anthony Joshua's ass on the floor. And from then on, you can see that Joshua is done. He can't hurt Ruiz, and Andy was coming forward with everything he got, so I would say Joshua was outclassed and never recovered from the first knocked down. His excuses is that he is looking for the Wilder fight, and not the fighter in front of him.

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Quote from: DarkDays on September 21, 2019, 05:45:07 AM

Quote from: Vispilio on September 20, 2019, 08:00:22 PM

Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

Doesn't really matter how much Joshua slims down, he was completely outclassed in the first fight, and he really didn't even try to dodge most of the punches. He just took a full clip of punches right to the head and body practically every time he hit Ruiz with a good shot. He then just closed down, with a high guard but was still taking shots to the temple.

Even if there is strong pressure on the judges to award him any decisions, the next fight is unlikely to go the distance to reach the scorecards. Someone is getting knocked-the-f-out.

Was Anthony Joshua really outclassed during the first fight? He knocked down Andy Ruiz which was also Andy's first time to be knocked down by anyone according to some articles.

If he was outclassed, I reckon it would be more because Anthony Joshua was not fighting on 100% condition.

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Quote from: Saisher on September 20, 2019, 11:58:12 PM

Quote from: DeathAngel on September 18, 2019, 04:34:43 AM

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He really SHOULD because he already learned a lesson from such bad experience and committing it once again is stupidity. If this rematch will happen then better for him to treat Ruiz as as his biggest threat of his career for him to stay focus at all times. He should fight him like the way he fight Klitschko — game face on!

Quote from: Saisher on September 20, 2019, 11:58:12 PM

I don't see any fix he cannot go toe to toe he can only do hit and run, he cannot slug with Ruiz or he will be in a big trouble for the rest of the fight

Indeed, he must dash in - punch - dash out since he has a long reach. Staying close to a shorter opponent is a bad move so I think he what he can do in certain instances is to clinch. It sounds being p*ssy but that was a clean strategy after all Cheesy

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on September 21, 2019, 05:58:44 AM

he will be better prepared and have a game plan and so does Andy Ruiz Wink

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That means we are going to see the same match

Somehow I have a feeling, that Ruiz will win once again. He will eat all the Joshua punches and surprize him with speed, finishing with tko.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on September 18, 2019, 04:34:43 AM

Still some time until this fight but I’m really looking forward to it. I don’t think Joshua will make the same mistakes twice & underestimate this guy.

I am not sure he was underestimating Andy Ruiz, Anthony Joshua was making his US debut and everyone still thinks that he was underestimating someone to have an impact, Andy Ruiz was too fast and skillful and Joshua did not have an answer for that and so is the reason he quit after being knocked down multiple times, he will be better prepared and have a game plan and so does Andy Ruiz Wink

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Quote from: Vispilio on September 20, 2019, 08:00:22 PM

Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

Doesn't really matter how much Joshua slims down, he was completely outclassed in the first fight, and he really didn't even try to dodge most of the punches. He just took a full clip of punches right to the head and body practically every time he hit Ruiz with a good shot. He then just closed down, with a high guard but was still taking shots to the temple.

Even if there is strong pressure on the judges to award him any decisions, the next fight is unlikely to go the distance to reach the scorecards. Someone is getting knocked-the-f-out.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on September 18, 2019, 04:34:43 AM

Still some time until this fight but I’m really looking forward to it. I don’t think Joshua will make the same mistakes twice & underestimate this guy.

The fight will pick where it left off, Joshua knows he will be facing a guy who can take his punch and a boxer with a fast hard hands, I don't see any fix he cannot go toe to toe he can only do hit and run, he cannot slug with Ruiz or he will be in a big trouble for the rest of the fight I think he has not faced a fighter like Ruiz.

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The 1st fight was like a page from Sun Tzu's legendary "Art of War"

Anthony Joshua, and many in the boxing industry did not fully acknowledge what Ruiz was capable of until that fight...

Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

but it's very rare to see a boxer pick up new skills at a top class level in a such a short amount of time...

However there will be strong pressure by the organizers to get Joshua to win as he has more sales potential, so the fight can go either way...

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Quote from: coin-investor on September 17, 2019, 11:49:06 AM

What makes this fight so exciting for boxing aficionados and bettors is they want to know if Joshua can really get back and what new he has to show, for me Ruiz's wins is not a fluke, he totally dominated him and Joshua did not lose by a single punch, he quit because he cannot take it anymore.

If you study the fight, we are seeing the usual dominant Joshua until he gets hit by Ruiz's fast and heavy hands, I think the fight will go on where it left in their first fight.

Well, technically a single punch did change the tune of the fight. As soon as AJ got that punch to his temple after knocking down Ruiz, he wasn't the same from then on.

But Ruiz did his job, he was all over him after wobbling him, and didn't give AJ even a second to breath.

Now that we know that Ruiz has that killer instinct, we can see that he's going to capitalize on any mistakes AJ makes in the rematch. This is a real 50/50 fight, but I'm still slightly edging toward AJ redeeming himself.

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Still some time until this fight but I’m really looking forward to it. I don’t think Joshua will make the same mistakes twice & underestimate this guy.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 14, 2019, 06:05:40 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2019, 04:54:34 PM

This isnt only applied on Boxing but in all sorts of sports.Its never been good to look down on someone specially to your opponent because
you wouldnt know if there would be some lucky punch would able to hit you.Even you do know your capability is much better than the other
side but these circumstances would really turn the table upsidedown.On the upcoming fight im pretty sure that Joshua will reclaim that belt.

Maybe Anthony Joshua was over confident that he can just blow away Andy Ruiz. And another factor I've seen for his lost though is that Ruiz is not his original opponent, it's Jarrell Miller. So he might not be pump or psyched for Andy Ruiz prior to the fight that's why his mind is not on this guy but the next fighter in line (Wilder). Anyway, there are no excuses, it's time for Joshua to get back in track and he is still the favourite to win despite the "infamous" upset.

Past is past and cant be changed no matter what would be the reasons behind that loss or on what Joshua is thinking those times it doesn't really matter that much because he had been defeated.If he's thinking way ahead on upcoming big fights from those strong opponents then he musnt get too easy into those boxers that he would fight up along the way because underestimating someone could really mess up your record unexpectedly and that's why we do really see some upset or unexpected fight results.

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This rematch is just a formality that the time of Andy Ruiz holding the belt is over. I can't see a chance that he would win the rematch as Joshua will be more careful this time and he need not to slug it out with Ruiz, just score points and he will win the fight.

That's likely what he is going to do because he knows Ruiz has a short reach and move slowly, he cannot slug it out with Ruiz, because Ruiz is strong has fast hands, the worst thing that he'll do is to slug it out with Ruiz, if he can do that he can win by decision, but he is a challenger and a challenger should bring the fight to the champion and not the other way around.

This is the strategy that he was using during the first rounds of the fight and it worked perfectly against Ruiz, his mistake was trying to impress the public by going for the KO when it was clear that despite the down Ruiz was not really affected that much, then he was hit by the fast hands of Ruiz and it went downhill from that moment.

So if Joshua wants to win he needs to fight in a smart way and use his size to his advantage and keep Ruiz at a distance in which only him can damage him, if he does not then his size becomes a disadvantage and he will simply become a huge target for Ruiz.

What makes this fight so exciting for boxing aficionados and bettors is they want to know if Joshua can really get back and what new he has to show, for me Ruiz's wins is not a fluke, he totally dominated him and Joshua did not lose by a single punch, he quit because he cannot take it anymore.

If you study the fight, we are seeing the usual dominant Joshua until he gets hit by Ruiz's fast and heavy hands, I think the fight will go on where it left in their first fight.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 06, 2019, 11:57:49 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on August 09, 2019, 03:50:57 PM

This rematch is just a formality that the time of Andy Ruiz holding the belt is over. I can't see a chance that he would win the rematch as Joshua will be more careful this time and he need not to slug it out with Ruiz, just score points and he will win the fight.

That's likely what he is going to do because he knows Ruiz has a short reach and move slowly, he cannot slug it out with Ruiz, because Ruiz is strong has fast hands, the worst thing that he'll do is to slug it out with Ruiz, if he can do that he can win by decision, but he is a challenger and a challenger should bring the fight to the champion and not the other way around.

This is the strategy that he was using during the first rounds of the fight and it worked perfectly against Ruiz, his mistake was trying to impress the public by going for the KO when it was clear that despite the down Ruiz was not really affected that much, then he was hit by the fast hands of Ruiz and it went downhill from that moment.

So if Joshua wants to win he needs to fight in a smart way and use his size to his advantage and keep Ruiz at a distance in which only him can damage him, if he does not then his size becomes a disadvantage and he will simply become a huge target for Ruiz.

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That $100 million offer could come back but only after convincingly proving to the entire boxing world that the boxer fighting against Ruiz in their first match was not the real Joshua. Now, that is going to be very hard to prove. Only a convincing KO would do that. Joshua has yet to prove that he could come back in a fight. One thing he must learn from Ruiz in their last fight is exactly that. Ruiz was the first man who was floored in that fight, and yet he went on a very successful come-from-behind TKO win against him.

I agree that he needs to knock the hell out of Ruiz in this rematch before we can discuss about $xxx millions for his fight with Wilder. Every fighter has an excuses when they lost, out of focus, has prior injuries not reported, family problems, etc.

Ruiz was knock down first, but the guy has a tremendous recovery, even Tyson Fury was able to get up with the Wilder knock down and every one thought that is was over. But those two guys has the heart of a champion to fight that adversary and have recovered very quickly. But in the case of Joshua, he doesn't have that tool that's why you can see in his eyes that he is done after the first knock down. Let's see if Joshua will have the mentality to face Ruiz again after that devastating lost.

It's gonna get ugly in the next months, of course if AJ beats Ruiz in the rematch. Anthony, Deontay, Tyson - all of them hungry, all of them having something to prove to others and themselves. The biggest boxing market is really growing and glowing. With us expecting the best of it!

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 15, 2019, 05:46:27 AM

That $100 million offer could come back but only after convincingly proving to the entire boxing world that the boxer fighting against Ruiz in their first match was not the real Joshua. Now, that is going to be very hard to prove. Only a convincing KO would do that. Joshua has yet to prove that he could come back in a fight. One thing he must learn from Ruiz in their last fight is exactly that. Ruiz was the first man who was floored in that fight, and yet he went on a very successful come-from-behind TKO win against him.

I agree that he needs to knock the hell out of Ruiz in this rematch before we can discuss about $xxx millions for his fight with Wilder. Every fighter has an excuses when they lost, out of focus, has prior injuries not reported, family problems, etc.

Ruiz was knock down first, but the guy has a tremendous recovery, even Tyson Fury was able to get up with the Wilder knock down and every one thought that is was over. But those two guys has the heart of a champion to fight that adversary and have recovered very quickly. But in the case of Joshua, he doesn't have that tool that's why you can see in his eyes that he is done after the first knock down. Let's see if Joshua will have the mentality to face Ruiz again after that devastating lost.

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Joshua admits he was distracted before boxing Ruiz by constant talk of what was a highly anticipated showdown with Wilder. The former champion answered countless questions during the buildup toward the Ruiz fight about previous Wilder negotiations, why Wilder turned down a four-fight, $120 million contract offer from DAZN and what it would take for them to finally fight.

So it looks like Joshua learn from his mistakes during the first fight. He admitted that he was thinking ahead of the Wilder clash and the huge money in the table. But first, he needs to get that belt back from Ruiz and he should win convincingly so that he will be in the discussions with Fury, Wilder.

He should be, that's a multi-million dollar mistake he committed. His showdown with Fury or Wilder is derailed due to that lost and it's a money fight i supposed. This time around he should neglect talks about a fight with other belt holders and focus on this fight and show some respect to Ruiz as well. Overconfidence just killed him the last time around.

Yeah, I totally agree. Just when you are just one step of that $100 million supposedly money on the table, everything went to 0 because of the disaster of Ruiz derailing that mega fight. As far as I can remember, Wilder is asking for $10 m or something around that fight to happen in 2017-2018. But since their is more hype, more money is offered. But I don't know if they would get $100 m offer again to fight because that lost really dampen Joshua's career whether he win against Ruiz on the rematch.

Joshua thinking of Wilder while facing another man inside the ring? Well, it could be true but, for me, this was an alibi. Is that how easy focus could be taken away from a star as Anthony Joshua II? It's a big deal, yeah. That's a hundred million dollars, after all. But he knows more than anyone that he has to conquer the beast in front of him first.

That $100 million offer could come back but only after convincingly proving to the entire boxing world that the boxer fighting against Ruiz in their first match was not the real Joshua. Now, that is going to be very hard to prove. Only a convincing KO would do that. Joshua has yet to prove that he could come back in a fight. One thing he must learn from Ruiz in their last fight is exactly that. Ruiz was the first man who was floored in that fight, and yet he went on a very successful come-from-behind TKO win against him.

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Joshua admits he was distracted before boxing Ruiz by constant talk of what was a highly anticipated showdown with Wilder. The former champion answered countless questions during the buildup toward the Ruiz fight about previous Wilder negotiations, why Wilder turned down a four-fight, $120 million contract offer from DAZN and what it would take for them to finally fight.

So it looks like Joshua learn from his mistakes during the first fight. He admitted that he was thinking ahead of the Wilder clash and the huge money in the table. But first, he needs to get that belt back from Ruiz and he should win convincingly so that he will be in the discussions with Fury, Wilder.

He should be, that's a multi-million dollar mistake he committed. His showdown with Fury or Wilder is derailed due to that lost and it's a money fight i supposed. This time around he should neglect talks about a fight with other belt holders and focus on this fight and show some respect to Ruiz as well. Overconfidence just killed him the last time around.

Yeah, I totally agree. Just when you are just one step of that $100 million supposedly money on the table, everything went to 0 because of the disaster of Ruiz derailing that mega fight. As far as I can remember, Wilder is asking for $10 m or something around that fight to happen in 2017-2018. But since their is more hype, more money is offered. But I don't know if they would get $100 m offer again to fight because that lost really dampen Joshua's career whether he win against Ruiz on the rematch.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 14, 2019, 08:20:15 AM

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Joshua admits he was distracted before boxing Ruiz by constant talk of what was a highly anticipated showdown with Wilder. The former champion answered countless questions during the buildup toward the Ruiz fight about previous Wilder negotiations, why Wilder turned down a four-fight, $120 million contract offer from DAZN and what it would take for them to finally fight.

So it looks like Joshua learn from his mistakes during the first fight. He admitted that he was thinking ahead of the Wilder clash and the huge money in the table. But first, he needs to get that belt back from Ruiz and he should win convincingly so that he will be in the discussions with Fury, Wilder.

He should be, that's a multi-million dollar mistake he committed. His showdown with Fury or Wilder is derailed due to that lost and it's a money fight i supposed. This time around he should neglect talks about a fight with other belt holders and focus on this fight and show some respect to Ruiz as well. Overconfidence just killed him the last time around.

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Quote from: Mahanton on September 14, 2019, 04:54:34 PM

This isnt only applied on Boxing but in all sorts of sports.Its never been good to look down on someone specially to your opponent because
you wouldnt know if there would be some lucky punch would able to hit you.Even you do know your capability is much better than the other
side but these circumstances would really turn the table upsidedown.On the upcoming fight im pretty sure that Joshua will reclaim that belt.

Maybe Anthony Joshua was over confident that he can just blow away Andy Ruiz. And another factor I've seen for his lost though is that Ruiz is not his original opponent, it's Jarrell Miller. So he might not be pump or psyched for Andy Ruiz prior to the fight that's why his mind is not on this guy but the next fighter in line (Wilder). Anyway, there are no excuses, it's time for Joshua to get back in track and he is still the favourite to win despite the "infamous" upset.

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Quote from: Jating on September 14, 2019, 08:25:44 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 14, 2019, 08:20:15 AM

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Joshua admits he was distracted before boxing Ruiz by constant talk of what was a highly anticipated showdown with Wilder. The former champion answered countless questions during the buildup toward the Ruiz fight about previous Wilder negotiations, why Wilder turned down a four-fight, $120 million contract offer from DAZN and what it would take for them to finally fight.

So it looks like Joshua learn from his mistakes during the first fight. He admitted that he was thinking ahead of the Wilder clash and the huge money in the table. But first, he needs to get that belt back from Ruiz and he should win convincingly so that he will be in the discussions with Fury, Wilder.

It was really an eye opener for him, he shouldn't underestimate someone and overlook them and think that you can win easily and go on the next big money fights on the line.

He looks very thin and light on that picture though, maybe he wanted to be quick, however, he may loss some punching power here and his chin might not hold up again if Ruiz could hit him up with hooks.

This isnt only applied on Boxing but in all sorts of sports.Its never been good to look down on someone specially to your opponent because
you wouldnt know if there would be some lucky punch would able to hit you.Even you do know your capability is much better than the other
side but these circumstances would really turn the table upsidedown.On the upcoming fight im pretty sure that Joshua will reclaim that belt.

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