Andy Ruiz vs Anthony Joshua II - page 17.

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 29, 2019, 11:19:40 AM

Anthony Joshua is just one chicken in my opinion...and he lost all respect I had for him.
Why is he avoiding to fight best heavyweights at this moment Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder?
Both of them are much better than Joshua.

For an upset fight and if you we're on his feet for sure you would ask and longing for a rematch.Pride is on stake here even he do know that Fury and Wilder is much a better choice
but for the last match they do had it is hard to believe that it can be easily forgotten or for him to move on thats why rematch is there to happen.
Im still in between about on the outcome of this fight because both is surely on preparation.We cant tell that Joshua isnt preparing for this one since he know that he would need to prove out on whose better.

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 29, 2019, 11:19:40 AM

Anthony Joshua is just one chicken in my opinion...and he lost all respect I had for him.
Why is he avoiding to fight best heavyweights at this moment Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder?
Both of them are much better than Joshua.

When AJ was undefeated he was not ducking anybody.

Tyson Fury - Was retired when AJ started to became champion. When Tyson Fury came back from retirement he was out of his form and is into tune ups. Tyson himself said he won't let AJ earn big money because of his name. Hearn and AJ knew Tyson is not 100% back so they will of course try to take advantage by offering Tyson a fight. Wilder was lucky he got a shot at an 85% Tyson Fury (got schooled though and failed to win).

Deonty Wilder - If you are a boxing aficionado, you should know that huge offer from Hearn was refused by Wilder's camp by saying they don't want to leave and will stay loyal to Haymon. That's a dick excuse. $20 million dollar fight with AJ plus a rematch clause. Wilder's biggest purse I think is only $5 million. If Wilder accepted that he could've unified the division. But they were scared.

Ruiz exposed AJ bad. And Ruiz will repeat. If AJ losses to Ruiz again, he will never be the same fighter IMO.

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Anthony Joshua is just one chicken in my opinion...and he lost all respect I had for him.
Why is he avoiding to fight best heavyweights at this moment Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder?
Both of them are much better than Joshua.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on September 29, 2019, 09:28:56 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 25, 2019, 04:42:29 PM

Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

The truth is that Joshua could not have chosen a worst time to lose against anyone, the top heavyweight boxers have being avoiding each other for too long in order to create more hype for their fights and earn more money but fans were getting upset so they finally decided it was time to fight each other and Joshua ruined it by selecting the wrong opponent.

If he losses again then I will not find surprising if he decides to retire, after all he will lose many sponsors and he will lose access to the top fighters as well and when you consider all the money he has done already I do not see him coming back to the sport.

I wouldn't say that he made the choice, Anthony Joshua was supposed to be fighting Jarrel Miller until Miller was caught doping and failed a drug test, Andy Ruiz put up his name as a replacement for that fight and he was chosen and they rest they say is history. I really think Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua all arrange a fight so that we can finally see who's the best among the three. But I am betting Anthony Joshua regaining his titles this time around.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 25, 2019, 04:42:29 PM

Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

The truth is that Joshua could not have chosen a worst time to lose against anyone, the top heavyweight boxers have being avoiding each other for too long in order to create more hype for their fights and earn more money but fans were getting upset so they finally decided it was time to fight each other and Joshua ruined it by selecting the wrong opponent.

If he losses again then I will not find surprising if he decides to retire, after all he will lose many sponsors and he will lose access to the top fighters as well and when you consider all the money he has done already I do not see him coming back to the sport.

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We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

If Anthony Joshua II will suffer for the second time around under the punches of Andy Ruiz, I'm afraid there is no more climbing up the ladder again. There is no more talking of going back to zero and gradually climb up toward the throne and snatch the crown from whoever is wearing it. Joshua should have been reset by now. After he was humiliated in their last fight, he should have already considered his career zero. And in this upcoming rematch fight, Joshua should already be training with a zero or rock bottom mindset trying to redeem himself. Because this is his only chance. If he is defeated, and defeated convincingly by Ruiz, his career is dead.

Or he could just end up fighting bums in the UK and never come back to the US soil, Lol. He will definitely goes out of the limelight and no more the attraction. This will be the biggest turn around in the last decade or so if he losses badly to Andy Ruiz.

But if he redeem himself, I don't know maybe we can see a trilogy? and let them finished what they started and the winner goes up against Wilder and then Fury?

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 26, 2019, 04:39:48 AM

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Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

If Anthony Joshua II will suffer for the second time around under the punches of Andy Ruiz, I'm afraid there is no more climbing up the ladder again. There is no more talking of going back to zero and gradually climb up toward the throne and snatch the crown from whoever is wearing it. Joshua should have been reset by now. After he was humiliated in their last fight, he should have already considered his career zero. And in this upcoming rematch fight, Joshua should already be training with a zero or rock bottom mindset trying to redeem himself. Because this is his only chance. If he is defeated, and defeated convincingly by Ruiz, his career is dead.

And I supposed to think also, losing twice is just enough, no more. I hope or just to believe that might this games was a revenge of Joshua to Ruiz. It maybe I'm right if he could twist the people's expectations. Cause majority of the boxing enthusiasts will are in favor of Ruiz which might also boost the confidence that Ruiz has. What may see this game is that 60/40 in favor of the leading champ.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 25, 2019, 04:42:29 PM

Quote from: milewilda on September 24, 2019, 04:58:57 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 24, 2019, 04:31:08 PM

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We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

If Anthony Joshua II will suffer for the second time around under the punches of Andy Ruiz, I'm afraid there is no more climbing up the ladder again. There is no more talking of going back to zero and gradually climb up toward the throne and snatch the crown from whoever is wearing it. Joshua should have been reset by now. After he was humiliated in their last fight, he should have already considered his career zero. And in this upcoming rematch fight, Joshua should already be training with a zero or rock bottom mindset trying to redeem himself. Because this is his only chance. If he is defeated, and defeated convincingly by Ruiz, his career is dead.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 24, 2019, 04:58:57 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 24, 2019, 04:31:08 PM

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We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

Losing twice to Andy Ruiz will ruin his career and he needs to go back again and reset everything. How many fights do he need to go to regain that confidence again? While the top HW are banging it's other as to who is going to be the number 1. While Joshua is fighting the left-overs before he can climb up the ladder again. So it's like going back to zero again because he had lost so much of his stature that his name is no longer in the middle of the discussions. Remember that this is not all about boxing, he needs to win this one so that his sponsorship with other brands would continue as well, Under Armour, British Airways and Hugo Boss and many more, so a definitely a must-win for him.

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Quote from: Jating on September 25, 2019, 06:12:55 AM

Quote from: milewilda on September 24, 2019, 04:58:57 PM

We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

Worst situation for him if ever Ruiz beats AJ in this rematch and it will be hard for him to recover his old because he needs to work his way up, while Ruiz will definitely in the contention and possible opponent of Wilder vs Fury if the future.

So, AJ is in a must win, and he really need to shows that he beat Ruiz badly that he leaves no margin of doubt from us boxing fans that the first lost was just a fluke. He should learn from his mistakes here, and I'm sure he will adjust and take his revenge on Ruiz.

Im aint believing too much on a word fluke even if the gap or expectations of people on a certain fighter to another one.
We can see the advantage but win is considered a win.It might be an upset one or unexpected but those wins had been worked off.
It cant be denied that lucky punch and situations do exist but on their first fight i dont see that was just a pure luck.It does shows persistence and dedication that pays off.

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Only two months to go and we'll be going to know if Joshua still has it or Ruiz will still dominate Joshua, my take on this fight is, Ruiz going to dominate Joshua for the second time, and the fight will go where they left off, the way Joshua fought against Ruiz, he'll have a hard time with his style.

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This is the strategy that he was using during the first rounds of the fight and it worked perfectly against Ruiz, his mistake was trying to impress the public by going for the KO when it was clear that despite the down Ruiz was not really affected that much, then he was hit by the fast hands of Ruiz and it went downhill from that moment.

So if Joshua wants to win he needs to fight in a smart way and use his size to his advantage and keep Ruiz at a distance in which only him can damage him, if he does not then his size becomes a disadvantage and he will simply become a huge target for Ruiz.

What makes this fight so exciting for boxing aficionados and bettors is they want to know if Joshua can really get back and what new he has to show, for me Ruiz's wins is not a fluke, he totally dominated him and Joshua did not lose by a single punch, he quit because he cannot take it anymore.

If you study the fight, we are seeing the usual dominant Joshua until he gets hit by Ruiz's fast and heavy hands, I think the fight will go on where it left in their first fight.

I agree as well that the victory of Ruiz was not a fluke either however there were many mistakes that were made by the former champion that could be avoided if he fought in a smart way. It is also my belief that he underestimated his rival and that he thought that he will have a very easy fight only to discover on the middle of it that it was not the case, so the next fight is going to be incredibly interesting.

This is going to be a fight not only between different fighters but between different styles, Joshua is going to want to keep him at a very safe distance while Ruiz will want to get as close as possible and hit him with his fast hands, I don't really expect that this fight will last 12 rounds, one of them is going down but we do not know who will be.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 24, 2019, 04:58:57 PM

We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

Worst situation for him if ever Ruiz beats AJ in this rematch and it will be hard for him to recover his old because he needs to work his way up, while Ruiz will definitely in the contention and possible opponent of Wilder vs Fury if the future.

So, AJ is in a must win, and he really need to shows that he beat Ruiz badly that he leaves no margin of doubt from us boxing fans that the first lost was just a fluke. He should learn from his mistakes here, and I'm sure he will adjust and take his revenge on Ruiz.

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Quote from: Harlot on September 22, 2019, 02:58:20 PM

Anthony Joshua is really eager to prove himself that he is in top of the heavy weight division, which I think is a big mistake from his side. I know that AJ wasn't himself when he fought Andy Ruiz and having this rematch to the man who defeated him won't increase his chances of claiming the throne back, he needs to assess where he is in this division and the only way to prove that is to fight other boxers in the top 10 preferably the ones who talked trash to him when he got defeated like Deontay Wilder. With this move he looks like as if he has no way to go. To a lot of people maybe now they are all saying that the 2nd match win is on AJ's side which I think would be the wrong guess, one advantage AJ has is he already knows his mistake and let us just hope he takes advantage of it.

Right, this is a must-win situation for Anthony Joshua, I mean if he take a beating from Andy Ruiz, then his stocks will fall down hard and he will be back to ground zero and start to rebuild his career again. However, I think Joshua is ready to show that he is still the same man who destroyed everyone along his path to become one of the top 3 Heavyweight. He just underestimate Ruiz that night and wanted to prove that he still has it and destroying Ruiz will give him back the confidence and fight the winner of Wilder vs Fury rematch.

We all know that career doesnt last forever and he will continue to get defeated not only with Ruiz then its over for his career.
If he would be beaten 2nd time on this rematch,he wont back to zero but regaining its popularity and recognition would already be hard.
We know on how people do react and sees fighters that arent already capable of. Preparation for the rematch is quite long and just right for them to be ready.

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Quote from: Harlot on September 22, 2019, 02:58:20 PM

Anthony Joshua is really eager to prove himself that he is in top of the heavy weight division, which I think is a big mistake from his side. I know that AJ wasn't himself when he fought Andy Ruiz and having this rematch to the man who defeated him won't increase his chances of claiming the throne back, he needs to assess where he is in this division and the only way to prove that is to fight other boxers in the top 10 preferably the ones who talked trash to him when he got defeated like Deontay Wilder. With this move he looks like as if he has no way to go. To a lot of people maybe now they are all saying that the 2nd match win is on AJ's side which I think would be the wrong guess, one advantage AJ has is he already knows his mistake and let us just hope he takes advantage of it.

Right, this is a must-win situation for Anthony Joshua, I mean if he take a beating from Andy Ruiz, then his stocks will fall down hard and he will be back to ground zero and start to rebuild his career again. However, I think Joshua is ready to show that he is still the same man who destroyed everyone along his path to become one of the top 3 Heavyweight. He just underestimate Ruiz that night and wanted to prove that he still has it and destroying Ruiz will give him back the confidence and fight the winner of Wilder vs Fury rematch.

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Anthony Joshua is really eager to prove himself that he is in top of the heavy weight division, which I think is a big mistake from his side. I know that AJ wasn't himself when he fought Andy Ruiz and having this rematch to the man who defeated him won't increase his chances of claiming the throne back, he needs to assess where he is in this division and the only way to prove that is to fight other boxers in the top 10 preferably the ones who talked trash to him when he got defeated like Deontay Wilder. With this move he looks like as if he has no way to go. To a lot of people maybe now they are all saying that the 2nd match win is on AJ's side which I think would be the wrong guess, one advantage AJ has is he already knows his mistake and let us just hope he takes advantage of it.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 22, 2019, 12:51:08 PM

Everyone was laughing at Ruiz chances of winning during their first fight. That includes me, because who really gives much of a chance from an 11 minute late sub?

Make no mistake, Ruiz is a decent heavyweight. His lone lost was a very close majority decision on ex champ Joseph Parker's backyard. But as a late sub and a not so active career after his first lost? No expert will pick him to win that fateful night.

The best excuse AJ's camp made on that lost was that the fighter was sick that night and his dad tried to pullout but promoter Eddie Hearn convinced the camp that the fight should happen. And there's also the pressure thing since it was AJ' US debut. All the other excuses like that lucky punch sent by the gods, etchetera are jokes.😂😂😂

Ruiz odds at 3 looks very good and tempting. The rematch is a neutral place. AJ could have psychological effects from that beatdown he took. AJ IMO could have taken 1 or 2 tune ups before this rematch.

My prediction is Ruiz wins again. By stoppage most probably.

Cant deny with that psychological effect on Joshua but for sure he do already overcome and do realize it but if not then that would be a big problem.
I cant see for Ruiz to win up this match up though but still not a good thing to be confident about because 2nd time beat up would really still happen.
Preparation on both fighters is there.If AJ do got this rematch then for sure there would be a 3rd time match showing off on whose the better guy.

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Everyone was laughing at Ruiz chances of winning during their first fight. That includes me, because who really gives much of a chance from an 11 minute late sub?

Make no mistake, Ruiz is a decent heavyweight. His lone lost was a very close majority decision on ex champ Joseph Parker's backyard. But as a late sub and a not so active career after his first lost? No expert will pick him to win that fateful night.

The best excuse AJ's camp made on that lost was that the fighter was sick that night and his dad tried to pullout but promoter Eddie Hearn convinced the camp that the fight should happen. And there's also the pressure thing since it was AJ' US debut. All the other excuses like that lucky punch sent by the gods, etchetera are jokes.😂😂😂

Ruiz odds at 3 looks very good and tempting. The rematch is a neutral place. AJ could have psychological effects from that beatdown he took. AJ IMO could have taken 1 or 2 tune ups before this rematch.

My prediction is Ruiz wins again. By stoppage most probably.

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Quote from: DarkDays on September 22, 2019, 09:51:47 AM

Quote from: Vispilio on September 20, 2019, 08:00:22 PM

The 1st fight was like a page from Sun Tzu's legendary "Art of War"

Anthony Joshua, and many in the boxing industry did not fully acknowledge what Ruiz was capable of until that fight...

Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

but it's very rare to see a boxer pick up new skills at a top class level in a such a short amount of time...

However there will be strong pressure by the organizers to get Joshua to win as he has more sales potential, so the fight can go either way...

The interesting thing is that if you look at practically every heavyweight, sports announcer, or even other experts, almost all of them will say something like "I knew Andy Ruiz would beat AJ". However, if you actually go through Youtube and look at these people prior to the fight, almost all of them either refused to identify who would win, or actually said that Joshua should beat Ruiz.

That's the annoying thing about predictions, hindsight is always 20/20 and everyone likes to claim to be infallible. Literally no point listening to a word that comes out of these fools mouths.

After watching their first fight I am very convinced that Joshua will have a hard time against Ruiz, it's not a lucky punch it's more of total domination, before the fight I am not interested to watch and just want the outcome after seeing Ruiz, but after he surprised all of us, everything changes just like that.

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Quote from: Vispilio on September 20, 2019, 08:00:22 PM

The 1st fight was like a page from Sun Tzu's legendary "Art of War"

Anthony Joshua, and many in the boxing industry did not fully acknowledge what Ruiz was capable of until that fight...

Now technically I see the 2nd fight as even more in favor of Ruiz because Joshua has had to make radical changes in his style after embarrassingly kissing the canvas so many times, now he is slimmer and trying to be more nimble,

but it's very rare to see a boxer pick up new skills at a top class level in a such a short amount of time...

However there will be strong pressure by the organizers to get Joshua to win as he has more sales potential, so the fight can go either way...

The interesting thing is that if you look at practically every heavyweight, sports announcer, or even other experts, almost all of them will say something like "I knew Andy Ruiz would beat AJ". However, if you actually go through Youtube and look at these people prior to the fight, almost all of them either refused to identify who would win, or actually said that Joshua should beat Ruiz.

That's the annoying thing about predictions, hindsight is always 20/20 and everyone likes to claim to be infallible. Literally no point listening to a word that comes out of these fools mouths.

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