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Topic: [ANN] [BEN] Benjamins ◄ SHA-256 ►◄ BOUNTY AVAILABLE to make BEN merge mineable!! - page 35. (Read 94385 times)

newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
Correct in what the target is currently. Difficulty is making sense if you use those numbers in the math. The block count is way ahead of where we should be with that target time

Ahh, I think I get it - the diff retarget is using the current bock height versus expected block height to determine next difficulty, rather than current network block time.  That explains the huge diff jump, we *should* be at block ~4400 right now

So, this coin is pretty much a clone of BTC, with 10 min block times and 2-week retarget, just with different rewards structure.

My vote goes to a fork asap.  The much, much longer block times not only affect mining but all transactions on the network - BEN is now looking at 30+ minutes per confirmation which will not stand a chance against other coins if the plan is to use BEN for purchasing power through payment providers such as Paysha.

I vote for forking back to the announced coin parameters of 64 second block times, and a much shorter diff retarget, something closer to 60 blocks (~1 hour) rather than 2016.  Just my $0.02

This would affect people trying to buy a soda with it, yes. However, retailers and merchants are used to 2-3 days for transfers via ACH. If it were to stay at 10 minute blocks, it would allow Paysha to process payments earlier than 6 confirmations. Also, in the long run, 10 minute block times are much more secure than 64 seconds. The other 3 coins are secured by large hashrates, Benjamins doesn't have that yet, so the longer block times would help it stay safer, if anyone cares what I think about the situation

It doesn't matter to us either way, but it is our responsibility to give pros and cons for both options as an outside observer. It's pretty close to Bitcoin's numbers, but Bitcoin also started with just CPU mining, so it is a fairly interesting idea showing the impact ASIC miners would have had on Bitcoin when it first launched

Either way, we will still process Benjamins payments, whether it forks or not
legendary
Activity: 3486
Merit: 1126
Correct in what the target is currently. Difficulty is making sense if you use those numbers in the math. The block count is way ahead of where we should be with that target time

Ahh, I think I get it - the diff retarget is using the current bock height versus expected block height to determine next difficulty, rather than current network block time.  That explains the huge diff jump, we *should* be at block ~4400 right now

So, this coin is pretty much a clone of BTC, with 10 min block times and 2-week retarget, just with different rewards structure.

My vote goes to a fork asap.  The much, much longer block times not only affect mining but all transactions on the network - BEN is now looking at 30+ minutes per confirmation which will not stand a chance against other coins if the plan is to use BEN for purchasing power through payment providers such as Paysha.

I vote for forking back to the announced coin parameters of 64 second block times, and a much shorter diff retarget, something closer to 60 blocks (~1 hour) rather than 2016.  Just my $0.02


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hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Correct in what the target is currently. Difficulty is making sense if you use those numbers in the math. The block count is way ahead of where we should be with that target time

Ahh, I think I get it - the diff retarget is using the current bock height versus expected block height to determine next difficulty, rather than current network block time.  That explains the huge diff jump, we *should* be at block ~4400 right now

So, this coin is pretty much a clone of BTC, with 10 min block times and 2-week retarget, just with different rewards structure.

My vote goes to a fork asap.  The much, much longer block times not only affect mining but all transactions on the network - BEN is now looking at 30+ minutes per confirmation which will not stand a chance against other coins if the plan is to use BEN for purchasing power through payment providers such as Paysha.

I vote for forking back to the announced coin parameters of 64 second block times, and a much shorter diff retarget, something closer to 60 blocks (~1 hour) rather than 2016.  Just my $0.02





full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
We are going to have a discussion tonight between not only our team, but also Paysha devs and someone from our marketing team to figure out what we are going to do here

The only bad news is that blocks are slower than anticipated. The good news is that your coins are much more rare than thought and the network is secure, so there is no chance of losing anything no matter what we decide to do moving forward

Opinions are always welcome. I have a feeling most will be negative for a little while, but that's fine. Everything else is still on schedule and going to plan
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Correct in what the target is currently. Difficulty is making sense if you use those numbers in the math. The block count is way ahead of where we should be with that target time
legendary
Activity: 3486
Merit: 1126
if we will have to fork it, i would also suggest implementing quicker difficulty changes, since now it was quite a long time to get to this diff readjusment when a lot of miners left benjamins:)

I found the problem. We will have to fork it. I will let you guys know before we do and there will be plenty of time to update

Agreed - we are already at 15x longer than normal blockrates now (16 minutes), I can only assume we will be at 30+ min blocks with this bizarre diff adjustment.  That puts the next diff adjustment at (2016 blocks * 30mins = 60,480mins = 1,008 hours = 42 days) assuming consistent network hashrate.  But that is likely to go down even further now.

yeah, my pool pretty much emptied out now.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
No. The problem is that I fucked up and didn't switch the spacing back between testnet and mainnet

static const int64 nTargetSpacing = 10 * 60;

I have no excuse as to why I didn't notice it until now. We had special numbers for testnet, and I must have forgotten to switch it before the final compile

Should we fork it or roll with the longer block times? It's up to you guys. I fucked up, no excuse

The good news, I guess, is that your Benjamins are about 10 times more rare than they were supposed to be

I'm confused - the above looks like BEN is supposed to have 10 minute block times

Diff adjustment still doesn't make sense in that case, we we already at 15+ min block times so it should have adjusted down by about 50%
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
dont be hard on yourself, mistakes sometimes happen ant this is minor one, i think nobody will have troubles redownloading a new wallet.
I would vote for forking

No. The problem is that I fucked up and didn't switch the spacing back between testnet and mainnet

static const int64 nTargetSpacing = 10 * 60;

I have no excuse as to why I didn't notice it until now. We had special numbers for testnet, and I must have forgotten to switch it before the final compile

Should we fork it or roll with the longer block times? It's up to you guys. I fucked up, no excuse

The good news, I guess, is that your Benjamins are about 10 times more rare than they were supposed to be
legendary
Activity: 2548
Merit: 1054
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You're already a month in. I would just leave it at this point. If you shorten it down now the dumpers will have a lot more power
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
No. The problem is that I fucked up and didn't switch the spacing back between testnet and mainnet

static const int64 nTargetSpacing = 10 * 60;

I have no excuse as to why I didn't notice it until now. We had special numbers for testnet, and I must have forgotten to switch it before the final compile

Should we fork it or roll with the longer block times? It's up to you guys. I fucked up, no excuse

The good news, I guess, is that your Benjamins are about 10 times more rare than they were supposed to be
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
if we will have to fork it, i would also suggest implementing quicker difficulty changes, since now it was quite a long time to get to this diff readjusment when a lot of miners left benjamins:)

I found the problem. We will have to fork it. I will let you guys know before we do and there will be plenty of time to update

Agreed - we are already at 15x longer than normal blockrates now (16 minutes), I can only assume we will be at 30+ min blocks with this bizarre diff adjustment.  That puts the next diff adjustment at (2016 blocks * 30mins = 60,480mins = 1,008 hours = 42 days) assuming consistent network hashrate.  But that is likely to go down even further now.
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
if we will have to fork it, i would also suggest implementing quicker difficulty changes, since now it was quite a long time to get to this diff readjusment when a lot of miners left benjamins:)

I found the problem. We will have to fork it. I will let you guys know before we do and there will be plenty of time to update
legendary
Activity: 3486
Merit: 1126
I found the problem. We will have to fork it. I will let you guys know before we do and there will be plenty of time to update

ok
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
I found the problem. We will have to fork it. I will let you guys know before we do and there will be plenty of time to update
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
whats the matter with the difficulty, something went wrong
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
I have a feeling all the pools will get slammed again when difficulty changes in a few blocks

Without a doubt - diff retarget is going to have to be reduced to something much shorter I think

We just need it to settle down a bit, which I think it will now. The initial mining rush is over, so the huge jumps up and down should be over, now

I will be pleasantly surprised if that is the case - however, in about 20 minutes BEN is going to become about 15x more profitable than it is right now.  I predict this:

Over the next 30 minutes, net hashrate goes to 30+GH for 6-12 hours
In 6-12 hours diff adjusts back to ~700k range
Net hashrate slowly drops back to ~5-10GH and we are stuck at 700k diff for several days

I'll donate 500 BEN if I'm wrong  Smiley

**Edit** Just saw the diff change . . .  WTF!?!?
legendary
Activity: 3486
Merit: 1126
well... wern't we wrong...

Something is really wrong with the diff estimations...

diff is now 1.46M!! doubled again...
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
I have a feeling all the pools will get slammed again when difficulty changes in a few blocks

Without a doubt - diff retarget is going to have to be reduced to something much shorter I think

We just need it to settle down a bit, which I think it will now. The initial mining rush is over, so the huge jumps up and down should be over, now
legendary
Activity: 3486
Merit: 1126
I have a feeling all the pools will get slammed again when difficulty changes in a few blocks

I plan to... lol The pool has already jumped from 3 to almost 5 TH in the past 30 mins.


http://ben.hasher.ca

Paid out over 125k BEN!!

Happy Hashing!
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
I have a feeling all the pools will get slammed again when difficulty changes in a few blocks

Without a doubt - diff retarget is going to have to be reduced to something much shorter I think
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