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We are 15k blocks ahead of schedule. This has nothing to do with wanting to hold what we already have. None of us have sold a single Benjamin, and in fact have used most of what we mined for giveaways on Reddit, Twitter, Cryptocointalk, and several other sites

Read what Igotspots quoted above. It explains our decision and gives reasons why a fork would make the situation worse. 10 minute block times are better for security, this is a known issue, as well as the KGW holes recently found, further strengthen our decision not to fork

Coins should not be created to serve the miners, but the consumers who will use them in the end. Benjamins will be one of the most secure blockchains once it has the hashpower to back up the numbers. Security and not losing coins or leaving them vulnerable to attack so vendors, exchanges, or traders don't lose payments is more important to us than making a few coin hopping miners happy. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. The ones that have stuck around mining since the beginning will enjoy having rarer-than-planned coins, but that was definitely not our intention

Sorry to be blunt but you are delusional.

Appealing to miners is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.  Without miners transactions cannot be confirmed.  No sending coins, no receiving coins, no mining coins.

I'm not saying BEN needs KGW.  I'm not saying BEN has to decrease the block time (although, it would be my preference if it did).  But the diff adjustment issue has to be addressed.  Mark my words, the next diff adjustment will never, ever, ever arrive, BEN will never, ever, ever see anything close to 10-minute block times again if you do not fork this coin.

I can't make it any more clear. If we make difficulty adjust faster, it will go up every block. Every block will get harder than the previous, increasing the time even further than if it jumps every 2000 blocks. The long time in between will let the network catch up. If difficulty is changed more frequently, it will go up more than if we don't fork it before it goes down

You did the math before, so I know you understand how far ahead we are. Surely you realize what I mean?

Why is it 2000 blocks or EVERY block? is there no where in the middle?
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We are 15k blocks ahead of schedule. This has nothing to do with wanting to hold what we already have. None of us have sold a single Benjamin, and in fact have used most of what we mined for giveaways on Reddit, Twitter, Cryptocointalk, and several other sites

Read what Igotspots quoted above. It explains our decision and gives reasons why a fork would make the situation worse. 10 minute block times are better for security, this is a known issue, as well as the KGW holes recently found, further strengthen our decision not to fork

Coins should not be created to serve the miners, but the consumers who will use them in the end. Benjamins will be one of the most secure blockchains once it has the hashpower to back up the numbers. Security and not losing coins or leaving them vulnerable to attack so vendors, exchanges, or traders don't lose payments is more important to us than making a few coin hopping miners happy. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. The ones that have stuck around mining since the beginning will enjoy having rarer-than-planned coins, but that was definitely not our intention

Sorry to be blunt but you are delusional.

Appealing to miners is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.  Without miners transactions cannot be confirmed.  No sending coins, no receiving coins, no mining coins.

I'm not saying BEN needs KGW.  I'm not saying BEN has to decrease the block time (although, it would be my preference if it did).  But the diff adjustment issue has to be addressed.  Mark my words, the next diff adjustment will never, ever, ever arrive, BEN will never, ever, ever see anything close to 10-minute block times again if you do not fork this coin.

I can't make it any more clear. If we make difficulty adjust faster, it will go up every block. Every block will get harder than the previous, increasing the time even further than if it jumps every 2000 blocks. The long time in between will let the network catch up. If difficulty is changed more frequently, it will go up more than if we don't fork it before it goes down

You did the math before, so I know you understand how far ahead we are. Surely you realize what I mean?
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We are 15k blocks ahead of schedule. This has nothing to do with wanting to hold what we already have. None of us have sold a single Benjamin, and in fact have used most of what we mined for giveaways on Reddit, Twitter, Cryptocointalk, and several other sites

Read what Igotspots quoted above. It explains our decision and gives reasons why a fork would make the situation worse. 10 minute block times are better for security, this is a known issue, as well as the KGW holes recently found, further strengthen our decision not to fork

Coins should not be created to serve the miners, but the consumers who will use them in the end. Benjamins will be one of the most secure blockchains once it has the hashpower to back up the numbers. Security and not losing coins or leaving them vulnerable to attack so vendors, exchanges, or traders don't lose payments is more important to us than making a few coin hopping miners happy. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. The ones that have stuck around mining since the beginning will enjoy having rarer-than-planned coins, but that was definitely not our intention

Sorry to be blunt but you are delusional.

Appealing to miners is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.  Without miners transactions cannot be confirmed.  No sending coins, no receiving coins, no mining coins.

I'm not saying BEN needs KGW.  I'm not saying BEN has to decrease the block time (although, it would be my preference if it did).  But the diff adjustment issue has to be addressed.  Mark my words, the next diff adjustment will never, ever, ever arrive, BEN will never, ever, ever see anything close to 10-minute block times again if you do not fork this coin.
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I don't think you guys understand. Even if they fork it now to change block time or diff adjust it will only get worse

The network thinks it is several weeks ahead of schedule

If you want to speed it up then more miners need to be on the network. Thats it really. Ben summed it up pretty well a few pages back. Since I don't feel like typing it all I'll just quote it

The general consensus last night was to let it be. This will keep the block time of all 4 coins on Paysha at 10 minutes

What does this mean for Benjamins?

It's going to suck mining for a little while. The difficulty keeps increasing, because we should only be on block 4500ish right now, not 20,000. We got way ahead early because so many ASIC miners jumped on before the first few adjustments. Benjamins will become extremely hard to mine for the next month, or even longer, depending on hash rate. Paysha will support BEN even if the transactions are slow for the first few months due to the problem. Both teams feel as if 10 minute blocks are better in the long run for network and transaction security, regardless of the short term damage. Changing the difficulty now would alter the lifespan of the coin to a degree that would ruin it. It would be mined out too fast. I know it seems like it's broken, but it's the exact opposite. Benjamins network is spiking difficulty to fix itself, rather than allow more Benjamins to be mined ahead of schedule

Thanks for your continued support of Benjamins

I assume the next few pages will be extremely negative, and it's deserved, so let's have it

OK, so add more miners to the network.  Easier said than done.

For miners to join up, there has to be something attractive about the coin.  Profitability is the most important, or at least potential profitability.  I'll agree BEN has some potential with the Paysha launch but with the horribly, horribly slow block times and very low hashrate, it's sorta like putting chrome rims on a rusty 1971 Ford Pinto to make it look better.  You can't polish a turd.

Right now I could earn about 0.002 BTC per day (maybe less) with ~350GHash mining BEN.  Why would I do that when I could make 20x as much mining BTC or any number of other altcoins.  

I dislike the 10-minute blocktime but if it's that important to keep it, I'll respect the decision to do that.  However, the coin still needs forked to correct the diff rut BEN is in right now.  Just when BEN's first payment provider is about to launch, the entire network is stuck paying the price for something that happened a month ago, when early miners jumped on and mined a ton of easy BEN's when the diff was low.

The diff algo needs to be reset, adjusted to compensate for the current block height (not expected block height) to get BEN back on track with 10-minute block times at the current network hashrate.  Future diff adjustments should happen WAAAAY sooner than every 2016 blocks, more like every block or 2 blocks, or BEN will simply get back into this situation in another 2 weeks.

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We are 15k blocks ahead of schedule. This has nothing to do with wanting to hold what we already have. None of us have sold a single Benjamin, and in fact have used most of what we mined for giveaways on Reddit, Twitter, Cryptocointalk, and several other sites

Read what Igotspots quoted above. It explains our decision and gives reasons why a fork would make the situation worse. 10 minute block times are better for security, this is a known issue, as well as the KGW holes recently found, further strengthen our decision not to fork

Coins should not be created to serve the miners, but the consumers who will use them in the end. Benjamins will be one of the most secure blockchains once it has the hashpower to back up the numbers. Security and not losing coins or leaving them vulnerable to attack so vendors, exchanges, or traders don't lose payments is more important to us than making a few coin hopping miners happy. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. The ones that have stuck around mining since the beginning will enjoy having rarer-than-planned coins, but that was definitely not our intention
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I don't think you guys understand. Even if they fork it now to change block time or diff adjust it will only get worse

The network thinks it is several weeks ahead of schedule

If you want to speed it up then more miners need to be on the network. Thats it really. Ben summed it up pretty well a few pages back. Since I don't feel like typing it all I'll just quote it

The general consensus last night was to let it be. This will keep the block time of all 4 coins on Paysha at 10 minutes

What does this mean for Benjamins?

It's going to suck mining for a little while. The difficulty keeps increasing, because we should only be on block 4500ish right now, not 20,000. We got way ahead early because so many ASIC miners jumped on before the first few adjustments. Benjamins will become extremely hard to mine for the next month, or even longer, depending on hash rate. Paysha will support BEN even if the transactions are slow for the first few months due to the problem. Both teams feel as if 10 minute blocks are better in the long run for network and transaction security, regardless of the short term damage. Changing the difficulty now would alter the lifespan of the coin to a degree that would ruin it. It would be mined out too fast. I know it seems like it's broken, but it's the exact opposite. Benjamins network is spiking difficulty to fix itself, rather than allow more Benjamins to be mined ahead of schedule

Thanks for your continued support of Benjamins

I assume the next few pages will be extremely negative, and it's deserved, so let's have it
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I would like this coin to do well. But I am confused what is going on i do not understand re targets and all the other technical stuff.

Will this coin bounce back or will it wither away and die. The way you explain it is by hashpower will sort it so how do WE / YOU Get the message out for more miners.

Admittedly I dont have much hash maybee 40 ish ghs. But iam getting 10% of what it was a week ago
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It doesn't have to be Gravety well!!!!  I looked at the code, just drop the 2 weeks retargeting!


Looked further into BEN's code. The cut and paste of BEN was... cut and paste.  Unfortunately, it didn't account for the new high power ASIC miners out there. And the launch was poorly done, resulting in what we have now.  If BEN would have been premined (at 0 rewards, for example) from 0.0000244 diff to a safe diff, like 1 or 2 - we wouldn't have this problem today.  

BEN had to go through  6 order of magnitude from the genesis block diff, to multi GH/s inputs in a short time.  Classic error.  The Bitcoin code was originally based on CPU mining (a few KH/s) - not GH/s ASICs like today!.  Even with today's CPUs, from the genesis block, you can get the first 100 blocks with a single CPU in 5 mins!    

(One order of magnitude = 10x increase, therefore, 6 order of magnitude = 10^6)

BEN has a very long diff adjustment, like Bitcoin - but doesn't have the network to support it.  I will either die - or survive, but only if it changes its difficulty to match its 2014 customers.

In summary, lots of early people got LOTS of BEN early, which would explain the reluctance to change anything at this point.  But, if they don't do anything, their fast earned coins will be worthless very soon..

I've said my piece on this before and I agree with nerioseole above.  This coin IS BROKEN and will *never* be successful unless the diff retarget, and probably block generation time are changed.

Benjamins - you said yourself, you FUCKED UP and accidentally left testnet code in production which resulted in a 10-minute block time, rather than the 64-second block times advertised since the coin's launch.  Your first step towards success was admitting the mistake, but your biggest mistake was deciding to leave it that way.  I don't see how anyone can admit to a mistake that huge and then refuse to fix it.  Worst of all, at the same time, try to convince everyone it's better this way?

At current rates it is taking 75 minutes to find a block and BEN is now at least 100 days to next diff adjustment.  Except it won't be 100 days.  By tomorrow block times will be 85 minutes.  The next day, 95.  The network hashrate will continue to drop, block times will get longer.  This trend is going to continue until the coin is forked.  The next diff adjustment will never arrive.

Not trying to be a hater - I have supported this coin, you know I have - but Benjamins is OVER until this coin is forked.
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Block time is 10 mins I think

Anyway this is one reason I advised and still suggest not giving in to complaints. Some of us understand security

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-504103

... there you go - the BEN's way of avoiding problems....  change the topic.

I give up.

Good luck!

First of all I'm not Ben. Second I posted an exploit for Gravity well. I would say that's pretty relevant since that what I'm guessing you want to see
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I will leave you guys alone.  

Welcome back....

A wise man once told me... "dont feed the trolls" so no matter how arrogant/instigating and pretentious your next comment is ill simply remember like you said "your compitition" so obviously are grasping at desperate straws and now have to resort to trolling. So be it, ill refrain from replying now i have you figured out, may BEN supporters feel honored you consider us competition, for we dont even know who you are, what you are about, or what coin you are marketing....
and really i dont think anyone here gives a fuck unless its constructive or at the very list factual.

I am sorry.  I gave you constructive - you prefered destructive.

I am not trolling any other coins.  I am looking for a SHA-256 that is not over 50% mined - anything but ASC (65%), ZET (99.6%), TGC (56%), UNO (54%), etc.  BEN always comes in the look out - but the dev-team doesn't want to do anything about the current diff issue.  

How can I spell it out?  A coin that is designed for 1 min block time, currently mining at 4h?  Give me a break...

BEN has a GREAT potential - because of its name!  Period.  But that was genius.

By not doing anything about it, you guy are killing it!  Get off your pedestal and get the dev-team to do something about it!


Block time is 10 mins I think

Anyway this is one reason I advised and still suggest not giving in to complaints. Some of us understand security

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-504103
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I will leave you guys alone.  

Welcome back....

A wise man once told me... "dont feed the trolls" so no matter how arrogant/instigating and pretentious your next comment is ill simply remember like you said "your compitition" so obviously are grasping at desperate straws and now have to resort to trolling. So be it, ill refrain from replying now i have you figured out, may BEN supporters feel honored you consider us competition, for we dont even know who you are, what you are about, or what coin you are marketing....
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I will leave you guys alone.  

An old wise man once told me:  "if the competition is doing something wrong, don't disturb them"

I broke the rule - I apologize.

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
-Benjamin Franklin
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That is only due to low hash rate. Although you are quite off

Est. Avg. Time per Round (Network)   1 hour 16 minutes 3 seconds

Are we looking at the same coin?  

http://ben.pitythepool.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool

indicates that it takes well over 4h per block - and they are finding ALL the blocks...



Yea, once an hour on average

24211   nickbiker   07/03 01:58:15   23,719
24210   nickbiker   07/03 00:56:08   109,892
24209   nickbiker   06/03 20:09:18   66,989
24208   HenryFord   06/03 17:15:07   22,989
24207   HenryFord   06/03 16:12:34   125,696
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....The problem with visa and mastercard is any 12yr old russian script kiddy can fire up sqlmap or similar tool and with no actualy skills in sql let alone hacking go out and scan all of africa and third world countrys for shitty configured webstores, then with the press of a button dump the data, loginto tor and sell it to carders....
I wouldnt blame visa as much as i would blame shitty third world web devs, pay penuts get monkeys.

Paysha will not be vunrabile to such exploits, even if the data was dumped the passwords (one would hope would be hashed) so "theif" has nothing....

Also in regards to mastercard and visa alot of the data for sale is from actaull employees and stoer owners they install skimmers on there own POS and harvest the data then sell. You will find 90% of card data comes from dodgy store owners and employee's the rest from third world countrys..... many a times swim has found a thirdworld webstore running mysql as root user and hosting 100+ pages from the same DB.... you would be suprised how many well known USA sites are hosted in a dodgy thirdworld shared hosting enviroment.


For instance...
If you use the SAME PASSWORD YOU USE HERE anywhere else then you are fucked, ie: if you use the same password from bitcointalk on paysha, say goodby to your funds, this isnt paysha's fault, its yours. Hacker hacks this site bitcointalk, dumps DB uses his "bitcoin mining" ASICS to crack your passowrd hash with salt then uses bot to try combo's on a list of 100+ bitcoin related sites, stores results and laughs all the way to the bank, but who is to blame? not paysha but you for using the same dodgy password for everythign you do online...... No asic could crack my 16 + char password, and its different for everysite.




Wow! You seem to know a lot about computer things, the world, and all....

My question is, why are you still mining and supporting BEN when the next diff retarget is not to occur before 360 days from now?  (1997 blocks x 4h 20min).   24h for a transaction to confirm.  20 days for a mined coin to mature.... and the dev-team that doesn't want to do anything about the diff issue with BEN? 

I am really confused.  



That is only due to low hash rate. Although you are quite off

Est. Avg. Time per Round (Network)   1 hour 16 minutes 3 seconds
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Wow! You seem to know a lot about computer things, the world, and all....

My question is, why are you still mining and supporting BEN when the next diff retarget is not to occur before 360 days from now?  (1997 blocks x 4h 20min).   I am really confused. 

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin

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....The problem with visa and mastercard is any 12yr old russian script kiddy can fire up sqlmap or similar tool and with no actualy skills in sql let alone hacking go out and scan all of africa and third world countrys for shitty configured webstores, then with the press of a button dump the data, loginto tor and sell it to carders....
I wouldnt blame visa as much as i would blame shitty third world web devs, pay penuts get monkeys.

Paysha will not be vunrabile to such exploits, even if the data was dumped the passwords (one would hope would be hashed) so "theif" has nothing....

Also in regards to mastercard and visa alot of the data for sale is from actaull employees and stoer owners they install skimmers on there own POS and harvest the data then sell. You will find 90% of card data comes from dodgy store owners and employee's the rest from third world countrys..... many a times swim has found a thirdworld webstore running mysql as root user and hosting 100+ pages from the same DB.... you would be suprised how many well known USA sites are hosted in a dodgy thirdworld shared hosting enviroment.


For instance...
If you use the SAME PASSWORD YOU USE HERE anywhere else then you are fucked, ie: if you use the same password from bitcointalk on paysha, say goodby to your funds, this isnt paysha's fault, its yours. Hacker hacks this site bitcointalk, dumps DB uses his "bitcoin mining" ASICS to crack your passowrd hash with salt then uses bot to try combo's on a list of 100+ bitcoin related sites, stores results and laughs all the way to the bank, but who is to blame? not paysha but you for using the same dodgy password for everythign you do online...... No asic could crack my 16 + char password, and its different for everysite.

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I've been busy and haven't checked in a couple days so I wasn't sure. I won't worry about it for now but I should probably lower my payout threshold so it doesn't take so long between payouts.

Edit: The site is up now but the minimum payout is only able to be set to 100.  Roll Eyes

Send him a message. All the pool ops listed in the OP are extremely helpful

I have lowered the min payout to 1 BEN - sorry it's an MPOS default I just forgot to change Smiley

These DDOS attacks are getting really annoying.  They were really only attacking one pool but since the web front-end for all my pools is the same server they pretty much all went down.

I'm going to scale out a bit with the pools so one getting attacked doesn't take everything down.  I own two entire Class C address blocks no reason why I can't setup each pool with its own IP Smiley

Told you he would respond soon! Thanks for paying attention to the miners
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I've been busy and haven't checked in a couple days so I wasn't sure. I won't worry about it for now but I should probably lower my payout threshold so it doesn't take so long between payouts.

Edit: The site is up now but the minimum payout is only able to be set to 100.  Roll Eyes

Send him a message. All the pool ops listed in the OP are extremely helpful

I have lowered the min payout to 1 BEN - sorry it's an MPOS default I just forgot to change Smiley

These DDOS attacks are getting really annoying.  They were really only attacking one pool but since the web front-end for all my pools is the same server they pretty much all went down.

I'm going to scale out a bit with the pools so one getting attacked doesn't take everything down.  I own two entire Class C address blocks no reason why I can't setup each pool with its own IP Smiley
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I've been busy and haven't checked in a couple days so I wasn't sure. I won't worry about it for now but I should probably lower my payout threshold so it doesn't take so long between payouts.

Edit: The site is up now but the minimum payout is only able to be set to 100.  Roll Eyes

Send him a message. All the pool ops listed in the OP are extremely helpful
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