[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe - page 25.

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Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 06:38:56 PM

Quote from: gingernuts on November 20, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

If your new board design isn't quite right, could you please at least consider shipping some trays of chips while you get your in house design debugged?

Chips are currently sold out. Even the next batch of chips is sold out. We already have the boards with chips on them. There's no debugging involved, just overheat issues. I'm thinking of maybe putting them up on the site with massive warning labels as there seems to be tons of interest

Yes, lets do this Cheesy

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Quote from: gingernuts on November 20, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

If your new board design isn't quite right, could you please at least consider shipping some trays of chips while you get your in house design debugged?

Chips are currently sold out. Even the next batch of chips is sold out. We already have the boards with chips on them. There's no debugging involved, just overheat issues. I'm thinking of maybe putting them up on the site with massive warning labels as there seems to be tons of interest

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If your new board design isn't quite right, could you please at least consider shipping some trays of chips while you get your in house design debugged?

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Quote from: BenTuras on November 20, 2013, 07:21:41 AM

Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

The boards that we received are running quite hot, and I decided that we cannot sell them without heatsinks.

Q1: Can they be undervolted to prevent overheating and add the heatsink later ?

Yes, the pot enables you to set the voltage anywhere between ~0.65 to over 1V

Quote from: BenTuras on November 20, 2013, 07:21:41 AM

Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

Pre-order is fine, you have earned my(and probably a lot of others) trust.

If you add them to the shop, and if the answer to Q1 is yes, can you please also add them without heatsink for a slightly lower price. [ I would add a clear warning that they come as is (no guarantee) and require undervolting or forced cooling and a heatsink ].

Well.. I'm not sure how well this will work out.. I'm afraid people will run them too hot, ruin them, then cry RMA and demand replacement Sad

Also, I don't think people will be too happy if I remove all warranties and will potentially create very angry and bitter customers when the new card suddenly doesn't work (sometimes this happens even if we test them) and we don't replace it due to this new policy.. I need to think about this..

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Stop pre-order.
Even if Punin is really a trusty seller/member.

In Bitcoin world everything move fast.

A good deal now can be a big loss in 1 month or 2

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Quote from: forum2005 on November 20, 2013, 01:48:27 PM

Quote from: Foofighter on November 20, 2013, 06:10:51 AM

Quote from: darkfriend77 on November 20, 2013, 06:05:06 AM

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Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

Ready to ship.

+1

Ready to ship would be my preference too.

To help with that, quickly cancel new unpaid orders, and maybe don't even accept orders from people who've only canceled their orders previously.

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Quote from: Foofighter on November 20, 2013, 06:10:51 AM

Quote from: darkfriend77 on November 20, 2013, 06:05:06 AM

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Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

Ready to ship.

+1

rammy2k2

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trust, yes, i trust punin the most from all these sellers in here, no doubt abt that, but there can be some many factors to f*ck up a pre-order (look at asic chip delivery), where i myself lost BTC too, and so on ...

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Quote from: server on November 20, 2013, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Micky25 on November 20, 2013, 07:12:51 AM

Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

For me both options are viable - a little boost for loyal customers would maybe be nice, like give them the option to buy 1 to x boards for themselfs before you re-open sale for everyone.

+1

Punin and co have certainly earned our trust with their excellent service and by honouring (and indeed exceeding) what they promised to do. I'm sure that they would continue to do so with further pre-orders. However, the pre-order model is not a good thing for miners. The feedback loop that would ordinarily slow the sales of mining hardware (or reduce prices) as difficulty rises is disrupted in the pre-order model and this leads to a big risk of over saturating the market and keeping hardware prices artificially high - we've seen this already. If all manufacturers were selling from stock, the market should develop a bit more normally (possibly/hopefully) and our stress levels might stabilise too Wink

. I would definitely vote for in stock sales - keep showing the others how it should be done Punin!

Having said that, it is frustrating to keep checking the website every hour for new stock. Micky25's suggestion would be great - we'd all love to fill up our $1000 starter kits soon!

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it depends ... when you get your order (time) ... and "In Stock" items tend to be faster in your hand ... as "PreOrder" items ... so "In Stock" let's the customer decide much closer to the actual mining situation then a "PreOrder" that can be delayed by several more things ... then an "In Stock" item ....

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Quote from: Micky25 on November 20, 2013, 07:12:51 AM

Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

For me both options are viable - a little boost for loyal customers would maybe be nice, like give them the option to buy 1 to x boards for themselfs before you re-open sale for everyone.

+1

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on November 20, 2013, 10:24:51 AM

no matter what ? u think difficulty jumps just like that ... "no matter what" ?!? ROFL ... no wonder u're for pre-order ...

yes, exactly! difficulty will jump just like that: if cointerra doesnt deliver somebody else will. from my perspective it doesnt really matter who will deliver.

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Quote from: tarmi on November 20, 2013, 10:23:56 AM

Quote from: rammy2k2 on November 20, 2013, 10:17:38 AM

Quote from: tarmi on November 20, 2013, 09:42:03 AM

I am for preorder, for 1 simple reason:

I dont want to check the website every day just to order, or find out that the 1.2 H boards are sold out in 10 minutes.

If we paid the starter kit 1000 euros, I am expecting BFSB to provide upgrades.

and if u pay for pre-order now, for a product that comes in ~1 month, and meanwhile KNC and cointerra delivers, and difficulty jumps like hell, whats the logic ? pre-order created problems always !

maybe punin will say he will have a new product in hands in 1 month, takes pre-orders, but when he receives the products , testings needs to be done, if testing fails, like he just said upper, more time will be needed , and u will just regret your money

ill stick for "IN STOCK"

your logic is faulty, because difficulty will jump no matter what.

no matter what ? u think difficulty jumps just like that ... "no matter what" ?!? ROFL ... no wonder u're for pre-order ...

tarmi

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on November 20, 2013, 10:17:38 AM

Quote from: tarmi on November 20, 2013, 09:42:03 AM

I am for preorder, for 1 simple reason:

I dont want to check the website every day just to order, or find out that the 1.2 H boards are sold out in 10 minutes.

If we paid the starter kit 1000 euros, I am expecting BFSB to provide upgrades.

and if u pay for pre-order now, for a product that comes in ~1 month, and meanwhile KNC and cointerra delivers, and difficulty jumps like hell, whats the logic ? pre-order created problems always !

maybe punin will say he will have a new product in hands in 1 month, takes pre-orders, but when he receives the products , testings needs to be done, if testing fails, like he just said upper, more time will be needed , and u will just regret your money

ill stick for "IN STOCK"

your logic is faulty, because difficulty will jump no matter what.

rammy2k2

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Quote from: tarmi on November 20, 2013, 09:42:03 AM

I am for preorder, for 1 simple reason:

I dont want to check the website every day just to order, or find out that the 1.2 H boards are sold out in 10 minutes.

If we paid the starter kit 1000 euros, I am expecting BFSB to provide upgrades.

and if u pay for pre-order now, for a product that comes in ~1 month, and meanwhile KNC and cointerra delivers, and difficulty jumps like hell, whats the logic ? pre-order created problems always !

maybe punin will say he will have a new product in hands in 1 month, takes pre-orders, but when he receives the products , testings needs to be done, if testing fails, like he just said upper, more time will be needed , and u will just regret your money

ill stick for "IN STOCK"

tarmi

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I am for preorder, for 1 simple reason:

I dont want to check the website every day just to order, or find out that the 1.2 H boards are sold out in 10 minutes.

If we paid the starter kit 1000 euros, I am expecting BFSB to provide upgrades.

rammy2k2

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i chosed BFSB because of "in stock" idea, ill stick to that

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Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

The boards that we received are running quite hot, and I decided that we cannot sell them without heatsinks.

Q1: Can they be undervolted to prevent overheating and add the heatsink later ?

Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

Pre-order is fine, you have earned my(and probably a lot of others) trust.

If you add them to the shop, and if the answer to Q1 is yes, can you please also add them without heatsink for a slightly lower price. [ I would add a clear warning that they come as is (no guarantee) and require undervolting or forced cooling and a heatsink ].

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Quote from: punin on November 20, 2013, 05:51:46 AM

Do you think it's a good idea to do preorders on this new hardware or should I list it on the site when they're ready to ship?

For me both options are viable - a little boost for loyal customers would maybe be nice, like give them the option to buy 1 to x boards for themselfs before you re-open sale for everyone.

shade88

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If your new board is the same as US v2.2 H-Board then I'll buy some without any heatsink now. No need to wait 3 weeks since they only need enough cooling to run and I already got some heatsink leftover from my US Oct Kit.

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