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Brammien, like i told you, on irc

Everyone accepts Soekip and the foundation.
Everyone wants Soekip and the foundation to continue working

Soekip and the foundation were active for the past 2 months, since development on the coin started. they didnt have an official name or designation, but they were active and

did the blackcoinpool promotion (who ponyed up the money for that? they did)
did the knc miner promotion (again they ponyed up a lot of money themselves)
did the PR thing, that Soekpin is doing right now, and they ponyed up $15K USD before the post was even made)

Let me write something that I wrote on irc,

[04:33] guys, have you heard of Crypto Exchanges? yeah, the things people use to trade coins around, hmm they do sound like a CENTRAL place to do many trades, since i dont go on teh street and exchange my shitcoin for another shitcoin, hmmm crypto is supposd to be free right, ban all exchanges
[04:33] fucking hyprocrisy

If you do not like this, why are you getting mad, and antsy, just sell your shit. Oh wait, you cant sell yoru shit because you would sell at a loss, because based on how many questions and passive aggressiveness and hate you have towards everyone who tried to answer all your questions, i think you bought in at a high price and either doesnt know how to average down a buy in price, OR b doesnt have more btc to average down his buy in price. So you are a little sad bagholder that cant get out, so he has to come and vent your anger over the "devs are evil" and the "foundation members are all illuminati"

NEXT

I'm only replying to counter your false accusations, I was here prepump, pre 10,000, and invested in this coin cause I believe in it. Your assumptions are wrong. We have a decentralized currency and you want centralization. That's the issue, if you read my posts, you'd see this. Centralization is not the way to go, and there is not check and balances. Really simple, I've never had issues til the coup that took place and self appointed took over. IRC is a whole different place than this thread. IRC few investors come there sure, but most will come here, and age difference is huge.

So I'd not expect the IRC crowd to think like seasoned businessmen, or learned enough in live to know you can't have this sort of centralization of power/decisions without repercussions at some point in time. There's no turning back easily now.

Anways, your childish attacks on me are just that I'd expect from the IRC room. BC is a coin worth fighting for, it's worth it cause it's innovative and is first coin that could take on BTC. So yes I'm upset when I see a powergrab, and also see those same people hiding in IRC with there people ready to defend them. They can't answer the questions put forth, and they are dead set on foundation. It's absolutely not negotiable. It's happened, and done. They won't budge or even listen. Well, that's that. 

And, what have you done for Blackcoin except scream when Radiostatic left, and scream again when you heard the word foundation?
You said this coin needs to be fought for. What do you think these guys are doing?

Let time sort it out. Give Soepkip and others the 24-48 hours he is asking for.

I know 20+ people who support this "foundation" and the coin.

Two of them:
blade87 - gives about all of his spare time to work on the "failover pool" www.cryptotalts.com (read the reviews here, by everyone)
morituri - presented a plan about contacting a PR company and uses a lot of personal funds and resources to make this happen.

Now. What have you done - or, are you doing - except yelling at us?

Contact me, maarx, in IRC if you have any questions or want a good talk.

What have I done? Donated some, and been a voice of reason in this undemocratic environment. I've brought up idea to try to get translations for website, Soepkip thought it was too much work and waste of time. See what foundations do, they run the place and my help in organizing this was shut down. They didn't want to? wonder why soepkip would turn down this? Too much work? weird cause other coins do this all the time. I help with old WDC translations and organized all that effort, to much success. Within two months we had close to 20 Plus languages, not all went live though.

Soepkip is also very untransparent. What does his do all his time? I see him chatting in IRC whenever i show up, which is rare, so he must be chatting quite a lot of his time.

My point is not what soepkip has done, he has done things obviously, but my point is his drive to have this foundation, and he is not backing down. There is not discussion about it, they have done this with or without investors input. So my question to you is, what if Soepkip or others in this foundation do poorly? What do we do then to remove them, cause as I see it we have no say so in how BC is going to be official run, with offiicial webpages, and social media, all under Soepkips control by his own words.

Is soepkip independant of this newly formed foundation or not? That is something he will not answer, and says in 24-48 hours we will know. Which tells me it's likey he is, and is in a very conflicting of interest position now.

Talk to me in IRC, or give me a platform to talk on and answer questions. I can be 100% transparent of everything. And I know about almost everything that is going on in the community.

The shit needs to stop. From everyone.
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For any doubts

http://imgur.com/a/MCjHZ

All coins are acquired on Cryptsy and Mintpal (were gonna have to start using Poloniex because of BDG coin.)

Every single block we find is openly documented on stats.blackcoinpool.com
As you can see all withdrawals are clearly shown and have only ever gone to one address (our payout address, which is public on the block chain, feel free to dive through it.)

Both the Mintpal account and the Cryptsy account don't even have a BC deposit address generated because no BC has ever been put in to them, only ever taken out.

At this point, IE, you are just a spiteful bitter greedy man, slowly losing it in the public eye. GG.

Edit: For any one not completely clear what this means, it means the pool has 0 ability to drive the price in any direction but up.
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IE, you need to go see a shrink. You create and live these delusions, and suck others into them as well. You really just need to take some time off and get your head straight before coming back, if ever coming back. I was going to donate to the WS event but forget it now (glad I got home very late yesterday and just crashed right after I did).

To the rest of BC owners, please do not let a single individual and his followers destroy a great coin. We have done great things for BC, and will continue to do so without them.
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WTF is goin on?HuhHuh? wasnt here since yesterday??  Shocked

can someone explain to me?

Basically IconicExpert is on a power hungry trip and now he's being desperate and doing anything to sling mud at the people that the community respects. He's trying to create a rift in the community but it's back firing on him. So sad...
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IconicExpert, you did not provide any proof or evidence for us in your text. I don't see any reason to believe some claims written on the internet without evidence. Furthermore I don't understand how they can dump 7.5M BC without changing the price when the pool only buys 100k back.

Please provide clear evidence for your claims. Until then I can only assume that this was a tactical move by you that in some way fits with your profit orientated plan.

People are not understanding. They did not dump the full amount, nor do they intend on dumping the full amount. The 7.5 is what they hold collectively. They dump a few BC everyday and buy back to keep the price down. They make the price "dip" and then use the multi-pool funds to buy on dips...

IconicExpert, you are familiar with marketing and development. So how can you write these assumptions in a public and anonymous forum on the internet without providing verifiable information that proof your claims? It is absolutely impossible to make the community believe something like that - many of us are very aware about the quality of information on the internet.

So please, since you seem to be sure about what you are saying, dig into your PM's, log files, mails etc. and get us some valid proof about any of your points.
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Brammien, like i told you, on irc

Everyone accepts Soekip and the foundation.
Everyone wants Soekip and the foundation to continue working

Soekip and the foundation were active for the past 2 months, since development on the coin started. they didnt have an official name or designation, but they were active and

did the blackcoinpool promotion (who ponyed up the money for that? they did)
did the knc miner promotion (again they ponyed up a lot of money themselves)
did the PR thing, that Soekpin is doing right now, and they ponyed up $15K USD before the post was even made)

Let me write something that I wrote on irc,

[04:33] guys, have you heard of Crypto Exchanges? yeah, the things people use to trade coins around, hmm they do sound like a CENTRAL place to do many trades, since i dont go on teh street and exchange my shitcoin for another shitcoin, hmmm crypto is supposd to be free right, ban all exchanges
[04:33] fucking hyprocrisy

If you do not like this, why are you getting mad, and antsy, just sell your shit. Oh wait, you cant sell yoru shit because you would sell at a loss, because based on how many questions and passive aggressiveness and hate you have towards everyone who tried to answer all your questions, i think you bought in at a high price and either doesnt know how to average down a buy in price, OR b doesnt have more btc to average down his buy in price. So you are a little sad bagholder that cant get out, so he has to come and vent your anger over the "devs are evil" and the "foundation members are all illuminati"

NEXT

I'm only replying to counter your false accusations, I was here prepump, pre 10,000, and invested in this coin cause I believe in it. Your assumptions are wrong. We have a decentralized currency and you want centralization. That's the issue, if you read my posts, you'd see this. Centralization is not the way to go, and there is not check and balances. Really simple, I've never had issues til the coup that took place and self appointed took over. IRC is a whole different place than this thread. IRC few investors come there sure, but most will come here, and age difference is huge.

So I'd not expect the IRC crowd to think like seasoned businessmen, or learned enough in live to know you can't have this sort of centralization of power/decisions without repercussions at some point in time. There's no turning back easily now.

Anways, your childish attacks on me are just that I'd expect from the IRC room. BC is a coin worth fighting for, it's worth it cause it's innovative and is first coin that could take on BTC. So yes I'm upset when I see a powergrab, and also see those same people hiding in IRC with there people ready to defend them. They can't answer the questions put forth, and they are dead set on foundation. It's absolutely not negotiable. It's happened, and done. They won't budge or even listen. Well, that's that. 

And, what have you done for Blackcoin except scream when Radiostatic left, and scream again when you heard the word foundation?
You said this coin needs to be fought for. What do you think these guys are doing?

Let time sort it out. Give Soepkip and others the 24-48 hours he is asking for.

I know 20+ people who support this "foundation" and the coin.

Two of them:
blade87 - gives about all of his spare time to work on the "failover pool" www.cryptotalts.com (read the reviews here, by everyone)
morituri - presented a plan about contacting a PR company and uses a lot of personal funds and resources to make this happen.

Now. What have you done - or, are you doing - except yelling at us?

Contact me, maarx, in IRC if you have any questions or want a good talk.

What have I done? Donated some, and been a voice of reason in this undemocratic environment. I've brought up idea to try to get translations for website, Soepkip thought it was too much work and waste of time. See what foundations do, they run the place and my help in organizing this was shut down. They didn't want to? wonder why soepkip would turn down this? Too much work? weird cause other coins do this all the time. I help with old WDC translations and organized all that effort, to much success. Within two months we had close to 20 Plus languages, not all went live though.

Soepkip is also very untransparent. What does his do all his time? I see him chatting in IRC whenever i show up, which is rare, so he must be chatting quite a lot of his time.

My point is not what soepkip has done, he has done things obviously, but my point is his drive to have this foundation, and he is not backing down. There is not discussion about it, they have done this with or without investors input. So my question to you is, what if Soepkip or others in this foundation do poorly? What do we do then to remove them, cause as I see it we have no say so in how BC is going to be official run, with offiicial webpages, and social media, all under Soepkips control by his own words.

Is soepkip independant of this newly formed foundation or not? That is something he will not answer, and says in 24-48 hours we will know. Which tells me it's likey he is, and is in a very conflicting of interest position now.
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WTF is goin on?HuhHuh? wasnt here since yesterday??  Shocked

can someone explain to me?
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I have been lurking for a long time.  I currently own over 20,000 BC and have traded it frequently.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with trading the coin.  If there was manipulation by insiders, that would be a HUGE concern.  I say if, because we would obviously need some sort of proof.  Besides the humongous sell walls.

I don't think it would hurt to have a conference call.  It is much easier to discuss these types of things over the phone, as opposed to using the semi-anonymous internet.

Maybe more transparency and an honest and candid but civilized conversation would help things here.

I think this coin has a strong community, and this infighting CAN LEAD to an even stronger coin.

But, we need to move forward here and a call could help.

Also, it would be interested to have position disclosure by the big holders, along with disclosures of all sales by large holders - kind of like the rules in place with stock trading.

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Quote from: IconicExpert

So they came up with the idea of the multi-pool. They would trick everyone into thinking the multi-pool would help stabilize the price of BC, but instead they were using the multi-pool to obtain significant amounts of BC while using their supply to keep the price down. They were able to "dump" their coins, and use the multi-pool to buy more without a loss. Why do you think so much focus is on the multi-pool? The multi-pool is the key to their plan working, and the plan worked flawlessly until I came into the picture.

Quote from: IconicExpert

It is simple...they cant mine this coin...so the only way to get massive amounts of BlackCoin before the price shoots up is to keep the price down while buying cheap coins. They use the multi-pool to HELP with that, but the multi-pool is just there to help.

You're contradicting with yourself now. Pretty much a lost cause, I'd say.
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It's obvious - multipool cannot dump >100K BC per day.

No you misunderstood me. They are using their 7.5 million BC to dump...and using the multi-pool to buy back.

Right. Now, any proof for your claims?


Maarx you have been on IRC with me...I purposely did not throw you under the bus because I think you are a decent man. Prove that I am not wrong about you... Did veritasBS admit to me he organized a pump of BC?

Maarx I am waiting for your response. Am I lying about this? This is your chance to do the right thing....

Who gives a fuck if someone planned a PUMP of BC in the coins infancy. Greater fuckers do that all the time. That is besides the point now as Blackcoin is out of infancy its only real growing pain has BEEN YOU.
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It's obvious - multipool cannot dump >100K BC per day.

No you misunderstood me. They are using their 7.5 million BC to dump...and using the multi-pool to buy back.

Right. Now, any proof for your claims?


Maarx you have been on IRC with me...I purposely did not throw you under the bus because I think you are a decent man. Prove that I am not wrong about you... Did veritasBS admit to me he organized a pump of BC?

Maarx I am waiting for your response. Am I lying about this? This is your chance to do the right thing....
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I want refund my donation project Wallstreet!!!!!! Undecided!
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Dear BlackCoin Community,

I'm blown away by the potential of the upcoming 90 day PR campaign. Our lovely coin will be catapulted onto the world stage and I firmly believe this will be immensely beneficial to BC. So over the weekend I thought, "what can I do to help BlackCoin?" in addition to my donations to all projects already?

Well. I've decided to put all my efforts into assisting with the PR campaign by making FURTHER donations to the cause equal to those raised by the community up to a value of $5,000.

I promise to match EVERY donation from now onwards for 24 hours up to a total of $5,000. You can pay in any of the official denominations. For accounting purposes I need you to list your donation transaction ID on reddit, I will then match it 100%. I will be promoting my fund raiser on Reddit, Twitter and BitCoinTalk.

Official donation addresses:

BC: BTfqh99d8DcKWrd4hFYLR7D2bAYDdAKV3Q    
BTC: 1MAGvdGMCAaJysMBgA5uFRBUFQ25AkUWQV    
LTC: LSGPviYMYmgF2RiXVuXG1U4iVz3drk3JvR  
Doge: DNkmhknWWx6ogrHaTy9X2SLft9ouwhCNs1
Paypal: http://www.blackcoin.co/donate/

Tell me about your donation HERE on Reddit, and I will match it:

http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/24si9s/i_will_match_your_pr_donations_to_5000_for_24/

So, please help me reach my target, together we can add $10,000 to the fund raised. If you have already donated (like me) then consider donating AGAIN as I'm going double it for you! Let's get BlackCoin to $1 sooner rather than later!!

Let's get this PR campaign underway and prove what an AWESOME COMMUNITY we are!

You can find more about the PR campaign here: http://www.blackcoin.co/general/the-next-step-for-blackcoin-hiring-an-pr-agency/

Thank you for donations so far guys!

Digicidal 500 BC donation MATCHED!
svojoe 1.1 BTC donation MATCHED!
UdjinM6 1,000 BC donation MATCHED!
noerc 1,000 BC donation MATCHED!
SunnyIgor 1,000 BC donation MATCHED!
ener_bc 1,000 BC donation MATCHED!!
JamesR1 200 BC donation MATCHED!!
@kumkeejjl $10 donation / 85 BC MATCHED!!
KrzysiekJ 0.0571 BTC donation MATCHED!!
CryptoPlankton 100 BC donation MATCHED!!
flare_one 1,000 BC donation - MATCHED!!
kilaarss 100 BC donation - MATCHED!!
germsite 2,500 BC donation MATCHED!!
HankYankell 2,000 BC donation MATCHED!!
Hushpuppy 100 BC donation MATCHED!!
Marco 100 BC donation MATCHED!!
keshuker 1,000 BC donation MATCHED!!

Approx $2,160 MATCHED to $4,320 so far! KEEP IT COMING!!! Let's do this!!

Come on guys - BlackCoin needs YOU!

Let's take BlackCoin to the TOP! First coin with Professional Marketing - 90 day campaign!
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Iconic Expert NEEDS to give people their refund back from the Wallstreet Project. NOW!
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Twitter: @Steven_McKie
IconicExpert, you did not provide any proof or evidence for us in your text. I don't see any reason to believe some claims written on the internet without evidence. Furthermore I don't understand how they can dump 7.5M BC without changing the price when the pool only buys 100k back.

Please provide clear evidence for your claims. Until then I can only assume that this was a tactical move by you that in some way fits with your profit orientated plan.

People are not understanding. They did not dump the full amount, nor do they intend on dumping the full amount. The 7.5 is what they hold collectively. They dump a few BC everyday and buy back to keep the price down. They make the price "dip" and then use the multi-pool funds to buy on dips...

 So what would be their purpose for doing this?  Do they not benefit if the price goes up?  I am not saying I believe or disbelive you, I am just trying to get my head around what is being said.

It is simple...they cant mine this coin...so the only way to get massive amounts of BlackCoin before the price shoots up is to keep the price down while buying cheap coins. They use the multi-pool to HELP with that, but the multi-pool is just there to help.

Your accusation  sounds perfectly sound and reasonable but you expect a forum to accept your beliefs in a confirmed bias over your outlandish claims with NO PROOF?!
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I want refund my donation project Wallstreet!!!!!! Undecided!
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Twitter: @Steven_McKie
IconicExpert I have absolutely no personal qualms with you. I have watched you mount this forum topic like a wild west bull; grinding out every last penny you could to get your PR camp again off the ground. FANTASTIC! However, I think you have gotten somewhat in over you head. You have this HUGE propensity to have to "tighten your belt" so to speak and try and protect your image and reputation in these boards.

When all along you SHOULD have just made a god damn Reddit account or a BlackcoinTalk account if you TRULY cared about the long term nature of this coin, and joined discussion, won over people with fairness and their belief in your push for the greater good of Blackcoin.

And then you screwed up royally.

And MY money is at risk here.


So I will tell you this once, and only once.

Get your head out of your ass, grow the hell up -- stop causing drama where it isn't needed.

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND "ANNOUNCES" something like this with no REAL BASIS or PROOF to even back it up besides just "Words" that you hope others will back you up on.

NEWS FLASH MR. "Business" MAN!

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO BUSINESS!


Now carry on with your coins, do your god damn PR campaign, and get the fuck off the DEV TEAMS NUTS


McKie
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