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Quote from: richardsNY on November 03, 2017, 06:29:43 PM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on November 03, 2017, 03:50:49 AM

Are you guys still working in upgrading to SegWit? I found this thread of yours from August but I see that the addresses generated are still non-SegWit ones.

I don't see much of a point in this since people are still working with non SegWit addresses, so the benefit isn't really there if ChipMixer does happen to roll it out. I can only see this being a viable option when people on a large scale are transacting with SegWit addresses, and as long as that isn't the case, it's not much of a useful addition. SegWit has been active on Litecoin for quite a while now, and a lot transactions there are still non SegWit, which basically means that people and services haven't yet taken the effort to actually utilize SegWit to the full.

If I remember correctly, the actual usage average a few days ago was somewhere around 15% and going down for whatever reason. Personally, I don't even know which wallets support the feature and which don't. Regardless, the number of transactions performed from ChipMixer addresses may be negligible to the total amount required for SegWit to significantly decrease transaction sizes, but if enough places were to adopt this feature, it would help the network significantly. If ChipMixer were to adopt this they could set an example, albeit it would certainly not have a direct effect on transaction fees.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on November 03, 2017, 03:50:49 AM

Are you guys still working in upgrading to SegWit? I found this thread of yours from August but I see that the addresses generated are still non-SegWit ones.

I don't see much of a point in this since people are still working with non SegWit addresses, so the benefit isn't really there if ChipMixer does happen to roll it out. I can only see this being a viable option when people on a large scale are transacting with SegWit addresses, and as long as that isn't the case, it's not much of a useful addition. SegWit has been active on Litecoin for quite a while now, and a lot transactions there are still non SegWit, which basically means that people and services haven't yet taken the effort to actually utilize SegWit to the full.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on November 02, 2017, 08:05:35 PM

Quote from: Thirdspace on November 01, 2017, 08:42:09 PM

I don't remember exactly but I extended the session 2 days ago
I opened the saved url but it gives me different deposit address
then I checked the recover link given on the bottom of the page to make sure, exactly the same
is this mean my last session was ended/lost and new one created with same restore url?
fyi, no coins lost. I was extending it waiting for the tx fee ratio to drop before making deposit
turned out it stays the same around 250-300 sats/byte Undecided

Extending session does not give you new deposit address. If your session expires (after 48 hours since it was started or extended) and you try to restore non-existing session then you will receive new deposit address.

To extend your session click "extend session" at the bottom of the page.

what I meant is that I extended (by clicking "extend session") 2 days ago (okt31)
then 2 days later (nov2 my last post) I opened the saved url so that I can click extend again
but the address changed...
and your explanation just confirmed that I failed to open the page before expiration
thus the session was already expired and automatically created new deposit

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Are you guys still working in upgrading to SegWit? I found this thread of yours from August but I see that the addresses generated are still non-SegWit ones.

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Quote from: Thirdspace on November 01, 2017, 08:42:09 PM

I don't remember exactly but I extended the session 2 days ago
I opened the saved url but it gives me different deposit address
then I checked the recover link given on the bottom of the page to make sure, exactly the same
is this mean my last session was ended/lost and new one created with same restore url?
fyi, no coins lost. I was extending it waiting for the tx fee ratio to drop before making deposit
turned out it stays the same around 250-300 sats/byte Undecided

Extending session does not give you new deposit address. If your session expires (after 48 hours since it was started or extended) and you try to restore non-existing session then you will receive new deposit address.

To extend your session click "extend session" at the bottom of the page.

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I don't remember exactly but I extended the session 2 days ago
I opened the saved url but it gives me different deposit address
then I checked the recover link given on the bottom of the page to make sure, exactly the same
is this mean my last session was ended/lost and new one created with same restore url?
fyi, no coins lost. I was extending it waiting for the tx fee ratio to drop before making deposit
turned out it stays the same around 250-300 sats/byte Undecided

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Due to Segwit 2x fork which is expected Nov 16 we announce that ChipMixer will be taken offline before fork (a day or two) and it will be offline for a few days till fork situation get stable. To avoid same situation as with Bitcoin Cash - chips you receive after fork will not contain bitcoins on another fork (S2X).

How to prepare for fork:

- mix your coins beforehand - you may need them before mixing services get online
- redeem your vouchers beforehand - otherwise you will lose s2x coins
- keep your bitcoins at addresses you have private keys
- keeping your bitcoins at exchange may allow you to sell forked coin at higher price, but you risk non-forked coin

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Quote from: Thirdspace on October 26, 2017, 08:44:19 AM

what is the best practice on mixing coins, if for e.g. I'm going to make 2 deposits of 0.0315 & 0.0335
should I create two sessions and deposit once to each? or just one session?
if I do 2 sessions, would I be able to get voucher with exact amount 0.0315 on 1st one
so then I can add up with the 2nd deposit on 2nd session to get sum of 0.065?

The most private way of mixing is to spend one, whole address value per session.
For example, you have two unspent outputs:
- 1Address1 - 0.3 BTC
- 1Address2 - 0.7 BTC
You could send 1 BTC (minus transaction fee) to session deposit address. This would link both addresses as owned by the same person.
This does not affect privacy of your chips, but affects your privacy.
If you send first address to first session and second address to second session then you achieve maximum privacy (but it will cost you a lot of fees).

Quote from: Thirdspace on October 26, 2017, 08:44:19 AM

do vouchers also come in same sizes like chips? or can be any multiply of 0.001?

Voucher is a sum of many chips ie. 1 mBTC + 8 mBTC + 32 mBTC = 41 mBTC voucher.

Quote from: Thirdspace on October 26, 2017, 08:44:19 AM

and how many times the session can be extended? thanks.

You can extend your session as much as you need to, but there is no need to do that.

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Quote from: Thirdspace on October 26, 2017, 08:44:19 AM

what is the best practice on mixing coins, if for e.g. I'm going to make 2 deposits of 0.0315 & 0.0335
should I create two sessions and deposit once to each? or just one session?

It depends on the privacy you're looking for. If you deposit both to the same deposit address, you'll have 0.065 balance, but it links your original funds together.

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if I do 2 sessions, would I be able to get voucher with exact amount 0.0315 on 1st one

No, you'll get 0.031BTC.

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so then I can add up with the 2nd deposit on 2nd session to get sum of 0.065?

If you redeem your voucher to a new mixing session, you'll have 0.031 + 0.033 = 0.064BTC.

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do vouchers also come in same sizes like chips? or can be any multiply of 0.001?

Vouchers can be any value, with 3 decimals.

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and how many times the session can be extended? thanks.

As often as you want, but using the same session for a long time compromises privacy.

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what is the best practice on mixing coins, if for e.g. I'm going to make 2 deposits of 0.0315 & 0.0335
should I create two sessions and deposit once to each? or just one session?
if I do 2 sessions, would I be able to get voucher with exact amount 0.0315 on 1st one
so then I can add up with the 2nd deposit on 2nd session to get sum of 0.065?
do vouchers also come in same sizes like chips? or can be any multiply of 0.001?
and how many times the session can be extended? thanks.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on October 24, 2017, 06:35:12 AM

As I said before - we do it to avoid disruption of service. There will be no profit on forks, only a disruption of normal business.

I am actually glad that ChipMixer has spoken out about this. It shows that despite certain people here not seeing a problem with this potential abuse, that ChipMixer itself acknowledges the situation, and acts to prevent it. If it wasn't someone else who brought this point up, it wouldn't even come up in my mind to exploit the fork and this service just to obtain profits. But even if I did know it, as I said before (a few posts ago), I will not drain the chip reserve because I know that it would negatively impact those who actually need privacy. I value moral standards over potential profits.

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Quote from: jorneyflair on October 24, 2017, 05:24:16 AM

Unclaimed private chips belong to chipmixer - and chipmixer should be the ones claiming that profit.

As I said before - we do it to avoid disruption of service. There will be no profit on forks, only a disruption of normal business.

Bitcoin Gold forked, new chips will not have any "gold". Chance to receive old chip (with gold) is minimal.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 10:12:38 AM

Quote from: Thirdspace on October 23, 2017, 09:56:52 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 09:32:04 AM

While we do believe Bitcoin Gold is worthless[1], we intend to drain all available chips at Bitcoin Gold blockchain.

what do you mean by that bolded words? sorry, a bit english handicapped here Tongue

are you saying to prevent abuse, you are going to move around BTC chips so none will have BTG available
or you simply are going to transfer all BTG from eligible chips to another address you own
for e.g. I'm holding a chip (with privkey) before fork and planning to claim BTG,
are you going to transfer BTG from that address before I get the chance to do it?

After you have received private key and destroyed session, we do not have it anymore.
We intend to sweep available (not claimed by anyone) chips in the mixer, so when you deposit BTC, you will receive chip with BTC, not BTC+gold.

Makes sense, otherwise peolpe will just take advantage of the vouchers that do still have bitcoin gold in them like last time with the BCC fork.

Even if bitcoin gold is worthless intrinsically imo it'll get pumped up solely because of the fact that it has done marketing and people are talking about it. Unclaimed private chips belong to chipmixer - and chipmixer should be the ones claiming that profit.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 09:32:04 AM

While we do believe Bitcoin Gold is worthless

It's a shame that forks are making companies feel so pressured to credit their users. In the case of Bitcoin Cash there was a significant user base and a significant amount of supporters, but Bitcoin Gold is clearly bullshit.

It's clearly just a money grab, and yet by crediting their users and creating systems for people to handle their Bitcoin Gold, companies are unintentionally helping with this and there's little they can do because dodgy groups like Bitfinex have already started accepting it.

People will give a value to anything. It's just a simple code change and there are clearly plenty of ASIC-resistant coins already, yet BTG is trying to pull thousands of BTC out of this.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 23, 2017, 10:38:11 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 10:12:38 AM

We intend to sweep available (not claimed by anyone) chips in the mixer, so when you deposit BTC, you will receive chip with BTC, not BTC+gold.

I don't know how many people hold Vouchers, but if they want to claim Bitcoin Gold, existing Vouchers should be redeemed before the fork.

OK, I think I understand now.
I thought you're gonna 'steal' Wink

my BTG that comes with the privkeys on chips that I owned
so I guess I better hurry up send balance there, mix it, hold it and wait after fork to spend it
and just like LoyceV said, redeem existing vouchers if they want to claim their BTG shares Cool

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Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 10:12:38 AM

We intend to sweep available (not claimed by anyone) chips in the mixer, so when you deposit BTC, you will receive chip with BTC, not BTC+gold.

I don't know how many people hold Vouchers, but if they want to claim Bitcoin Gold, existing Vouchers should be redeemed before the fork.

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Quote from: Thirdspace on October 23, 2017, 09:56:52 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 09:32:04 AM

While we do believe Bitcoin Gold is worthless[1], we intend to drain all available chips at Bitcoin Gold blockchain.

what do you mean by that bolded words? sorry, a bit english handicapped here Tongue

are you saying to prevent abuse, you are going to move around BTC chips so none will have BTG available
or you simply are going to transfer all BTG from eligible chips to another address you own
for e.g. I'm holding a chip (with privkey) before fork and planning to claim BTG,
are you going to transfer BTG from that address before I get the chance to do it?

After you have received private key and destroyed session, we do not have it anymore.
We intend to sweep available (not claimed by anyone) chips in the mixer, so when you deposit BTC, you will receive chip with BTC, not BTC+gold.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on October 23, 2017, 09:32:04 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 22, 2017, 04:30:25 AM

ChipMixer: do you have any special preparation for the Bitcoin Gold fork (October 25)?
At the previous fork (August 1), ChipMixer quickly ran out of chips when many people tried to exchange "new" Bitcoins for "old" Bitcoins that still had Bitcoin Cash in the private keys.
This can happen again, as ChipMixer is the only service I know that just gives away all coins they get from Bitcoin forks.

While we do believe Bitcoin Gold is worthless[1], we intend to drain all available chips at Bitcoin Gold blockchain.
This should remove any incentive to abuse and avoid chip depletion.

[1] Bitcoin Gold has premined 200k which at BCH price would result in 20k BTC.

what do you mean by that bolded words? sorry, a bit english handicapped here Tongue

are you saying to prevent abuse, you are going to move around BTC chips so none will have BTG available
or you simply are going to transfer all BTG from eligible chips to another address you own
for e.g. I'm holding a chip (with privkey) before fork and planning to claim BTG,
are you going to transfer BTG from that address before I get the chance to do it?

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 22, 2017, 04:30:25 AM

ChipMixer: do you have any special preparation for the Bitcoin Gold fork (October 25)?
At the previous fork (August 1), ChipMixer quickly ran out of chips when many people tried to exchange "new" Bitcoins for "old" Bitcoins that still had Bitcoin Cash in the private keys.
This can happen again, as ChipMixer is the only service I know that just gives away all coins they get from Bitcoin forks.

While we do believe Bitcoin Gold is worthless[1], we intend to drain all available chips at Bitcoin Gold blockchain.
This should remove any incentive to abuse and avoid chip depletion.

[1] Bitcoin Gold has premined 200k which at BCH price would result in 20k BTC.

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Quote from: 1Referee on October 22, 2017, 09:43:37 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on October 22, 2017, 09:12:25 AM

Send 1 BTC -> Withdraw 1 BTC and 1 BCG chip -> Sell 1 BCG -> Send 1 BTC + BCG trade profit -> repeat.

That's actually a good point, but we know that ChipMixer's reserve pool isn't all that large. Imagine how that will be in a situation where people see this as an interesting money making oppostunity. ChipMixer will get 'spammed' with mixing tasks, which eventually would result in a lot people desperately complaining about them being handed a voucher, while they had their eyes on receiving private keys with BG connected to them. Then new chips have to be prepared, and these new chips will not come with BG anymore. It's basically a first come first served situation. I personally will not do so just to obtain BG, because I find that people needing privacy shouldn't suffer any delays due to greedy people emptying the reserve pool.

Also being how the wide consensus seems to be that BCG is just a fake currency with no value, I don't think people will be able to profit from it as much as they might have done back when Bitcoin Cash itself forked from the main blockchain. Even now you still see some people strongly believing that Bitcoin Cash could be the future. I have yet to see one sane person do the same. If I had to guess, I don't think ChipMixer is concerned about people doing this "abuse" method at all, and neither is anyone else as far as I can tell. BCG is going to be DOA.

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