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Quote from: ChipMixer on November 28, 2017, 03:16:36 PM

When we started smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) was worth $1.5.
Today Bitcoin price reached $10,000 which makes the smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) worth $10.
Should we introduce smaller chips?

Smaller chips would be good, especially if someone wants to pay someone by giving a voucher. At the moment you can't pay $15, it's either $10 or $20.
But: Bitcoin fees only got higher. If you want to using a 1 mBTC chip to make a transaction, you currently need to pay about 0.4 mBTC on fees. You can pay less, and sometimes that's even enough, but fees have been much higher too.

A 0.5 mBTC chip is useless if you have to pay 80% in fees to spend it.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on November 28, 2017, 03:16:36 PM

When we started smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) was worth $1.5.
Today Bitcoin price reached $10,000 which makes the smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) worth $10.
Should we introduce smaller chips?

Smaller chips would be good, especially if someone wants to pay someone by giving a voucher. At the moment you can't pay $15, it's either $10 or $20.
But: Bitcoin fees only got higher. If you want to using a 1 mBTC chip to make a transaction, you currently need to pay about 0.4 mBTC on fees. You can pay less, and sometimes that's even enough, but fees have been much higher too.

A 0.5 mBTC chip is useless if you have to pay 80% in fees to spend it.

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When we started smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) was worth $1.5.
Today Bitcoin price reached $10,000 which makes the smallest ChipMixer chip (1 mBTC) worth $10.
Should we introduce smaller chips?

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 19, 2017, 08:04:29 AM

The only problem I see here is that Bob can never prove he paid Alice. An on-chain transaction can prove payment, a voucher leaves no trace. This is of course by design.

OK, so I take it ChipMixer is not against using vouchers as form of payments or fiat trade or other... cool Cool

but yeah he can never proof it to her, that's way I mentioned "trust" needed there

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the only downside is fixed chip sizes and requires trust both parties on each other and ChipMixer too

Vouchers can be any size.

I was meaning to say vouchers cannot have any fractions (less than 0.001)
but fixed to mBTC denominations such as 0.001 (1mBTC), 0.002 (2mBTC), 0.003 (3mBTC) and so on...
0.00275 is impossible, so payment of 0.00275 can only be paid with a 0.003 voucher Wink

This is a good way to pass your bitcoin to someone and add a secure feature, even though Bob can never prove he paid Alice unless he has every detail of their agreement Cheesy

. Chipmixer's voucher allows us to connect many deposits and withdraw it at once, a bigger output which harder to link. Another thing to note is "withdraw fees" as bigger transaction require a bigger fee to be confirmed, which mean the payment amount reduced automatically.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 19, 2017, 08:04:29 AM

The only problem I see here is that Bob can never prove he paid Alice. An on-chain transaction can prove payment, a voucher leaves no trace. This is of course by design.

OK, so I take it ChipMixer is not against using vouchers as form of payments or fiat trade or other... cool Cool

but yeah he can never proof it to her, that's way I mentioned "trust" needed there

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the only downside is fixed chip sizes and requires trust both parties on each other and ChipMixer too

Vouchers can be any size.

I was meaning to say vouchers cannot have any fractions (less than 0.001)
but fixed to mBTC denominations such as 0.001 (1mBTC), 0.002 (2mBTC), 0.003 (3mBTC) and so on...
0.00275 is impossible, so payment of 0.00275 can only be paid with a 0.003 voucher Wink

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Quote from: Thirdspace on November 19, 2017, 07:16:48 AM

can we use ChipMixer vouchers ~ as payment, trade buy/sell for fiat, and etc

Yes.

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of course both parties should know how to do it and won't held ChipMixer responsible for any misuse

If Bob gives Alice a ChipMixer voucher, Bob can still access it. Alice should instantly redeem the voucher at ChipMixer. After that, she can get a new voucher that only she knows (or use ChipMixer to get private keys).

The only problem I see here is that Bob can never prove he paid Alice. An on-chain transaction can prove payment, a voucher leaves no trace. This is of course by design.

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the only downside is fixed chip sizes and requires trust both parties on each other and ChipMixer too

Vouchers can be any size.

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the fact that we could withdraw our chips or get voucher codes,
that reminds me of BTC-e vouchers and VIP (bitcoin.co.id) vouchers
can we use ChipMixer vouchers the same way? as payment, trade buy/sell for fiat, and etc
of course both parties should know how to do it and won't held ChipMixer responsible for any misuse
the only downside is fixed chip sizes and requires trust both parties on each other and ChipMixer too

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Quote from: ChipMixer on November 18, 2017, 09:01:34 AM

Quote from: psykos on November 18, 2017, 03:20:06 AM

Sent an email to support, but i assume my coins are lost.

Your e-mail has been replied. As LoyceV said we have run out of smaller chips. Chip pool has been refilled.

Thank you very much! I edited my original post, and chose to donate a chip to you make up for my stupidity this morning.

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Quote from: psykos on November 18, 2017, 03:20:06 AM

Sent an email to support, but i assume my coins are lost.

Your e-mail has been replied. As LoyceV said we have run out of smaller chips. Chip pool has been refilled.

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coinbase has a policy that they block accounts

Why would you use a service that block your bitcoins when they wish?

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coinbase has a policy that they block accounts that send to gambling address. does this fix,

Yes, if you sent from Coinbase to ChipMixer and then sent to the gambling site from your own wallet using the private keys you receive from ChipMixer there is no way that Coinbase could see where your coins ended up.

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and is there tutorial on how to mixes the coins?

Not that I know of, but the site is very easy to use and well explained. If you have any questions ask here and someone will help you.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 18, 2017, 04:59:01 AM

Quote from: psykos on November 18, 2017, 03:20:06 AM

Warning, sent some coins yesterday. (above 0.001)

Woke up today to see them confirmed both on the transaction log and also on the mixer, however chipmixer says "all chips withdrawn" Huh

This happens sometimes, it's an unfortunate side effect of the unique way ChipMixer works. Chips are prepared before you deposit, and sometimes all chips are withdrawn due to popularity. New chips will be funded soon.

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I'm unable to export to electrum all i get is a blank output field where the keys are supposed to be..

I assume you got a voucher code, right? Just safe the voucher code and try back later.

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Sent an email to support, but i assume my coins are lost.

I know how it feels to not be able to withdraw your funds (it feels bad!), but in this case I wouldn't worry about it. Your funds are not lost.

Thank you for your response, good to know i will wait patiently then and update here when tokens have been available for me.

One tip, maybe add that to the message? I couldn't find any information on why it was not available to me and assumed the worst

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Quote from: psykos on November 18, 2017, 03:20:06 AM

Warning, sent some coins yesterday. (above 0.001)

Woke up today to see them confirmed both on the transaction log and also on the mixer, however chipmixer says "all chips withdrawn" Huh

This happens sometimes, it's an unfortunate side effect of the unique way ChipMixer works. Chips are prepared before you deposit, and sometimes all chips are withdrawn due to popularity. New chips will be funded soon.

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I'm unable to export to electrum all i get is a blank output field where the keys are supposed to be..

I assume you got a voucher code, right? Just safe the voucher code and try back later.

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Sent an email to support, but i assume my coins are lost.

I know how it feels to not be able to withdraw your funds (it feels bad!), but in this case I wouldn't worry about it. Your funds are not lost.

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It's legit as hell, i'm just dumb.

Lesson learnt: Patience is a virtue, use your voucher to then unlock the mix part. already got my private key and transfering away

Sorry for my stupidity.

Edit: 99% chance im wrong and there's no available chips, was not fully aware how the system works

Warning, sent some coins yesterday. (above 0.001)

Woke up today to see them confirmed both on the transaction log and also on the mixer, however chipmixer says "all chips withdrawn"

I'm unable to export to electrum all i get is a blank output field where the keys are supposed to be..

Sent an email to support, but i assume my coins are lost.

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Quote from: Doors98 on November 16, 2017, 07:50:18 PM

Ok, that's what I thought but better be safe:)

Thanks

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Ok, that's what I thought but better be safe:)

Thanks

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Quote from: Doors98 on November 16, 2017, 07:03:15 PM

Thank you for your answers, I understand now.

One last question, when importing the chip's private keys to electrum, if I delete the wallet but I have the private keys saved on a notepad, can I re-import them again on electrum? Or if I delete the wallet the private keys are lost forever?

Thank you for your help.

The private keys are independent of whether you control them or not. If you keep the private keys and delete the wallet, you can reimport them because it's the keys that hold your bitcoin, not the wallet. The wallet is just a way of storing the keys.

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Thank you for your answers, I understand now.

One last question, when importing the chip's private keys to electrum, if I delete the wallet but I have the private keys saved on a notepad, can I re-import them again on electrum? Or if I delete the wallet the private keys are lost forever?

Thank you for your help.

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Quote from: Doors98 on November 13, 2017, 09:25:30 PM

I´m trying to contact chipmixer on their email but I keep getting emails bounced back.

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Quote from: Doors98 on November 13, 2017, 09:25:30 PM

I don't understand the tokens part. I also have doubts about the amounts. If I mix 10 BTC for example, I get different chips, like 1 chip of 4.096 BTC another of 2.048 another of 1.024, 0.512, 0.256 etc

These amounts are only used by chipmixer so it´s very easy to track on the blockchain.

I´m concerned because I have to mix a decent amount of BTC and I want to remain as anonymous as possible.

Do you want to hide who you are or do you want to hide mixer usage?

If you want to hide who you are then ChipMixer is perfect way. You receive one of the chips funded before your deposit so nobody knows which one is yours.
If you want to hide mixer usage then you can "commonize" bigger chips. For example when you have 2048 mBTC chip you can click "commonize" and you will receive 2 BTC chip (2000 mBTC). This action will cost you the uneven part of chip (48 mBTC, which is about 2.5% fee).

Quote from: timerland on November 14, 2017, 02:32:01 AM

It would be nice to have something to allow customers chose their own chip sizes to make the whole thing more private but i'm not sure how that is possible atm.

Unless chip size is random then more custom chip = less privacy.

Quote from: timerland on November 14, 2017, 02:32:01 AM

Even though there is the commonize option IIRC that would basically get all your remaining few mBTCs and tip it to chipmixer so that you are able to end up with a nice, round number instead of 0.512, 1.024 etc.

Also, splitting your balance into chips does not help. The main reason for using a mixer is to dissociate yourself from the initial deposit.

Exactly.

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Quote from: timerland on November 14, 2017, 02:32:01 AM

Also, splitting your balance into chips does not help. The main reason for using a mixer is to dissociate yourself from the initial deposit.

The reason for splitting your own coins into "chips", is that it makes it look like "your" wallet is actually ChipMixer, creating chips Wink

By creating a bunch of inputs the same size as ChipMixer chips, how is someone to know if it is "RandomInternetGuy" just making up his own... or "ChipMixer"™?

Basically, "Safety in Numbers"... if enough people started generating identical sized chips in a similar manner, it would effectively start obfuscating all these funds and the "actual" ChipMixer chips would get lost in the crowd

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