[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented - page 134.

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Quote from: btcton on July 22, 2017, 01:00:33 AM

Quote from: btcney on July 21, 2017, 09:17:24 PM

Does Chipmixer have some sort of plan for if there was to be a network split?

E.g. only support one coin, or the other, or both?

If one can deposit on one chain and claim a private key after the mixing process that had funds in it before the network split, wouldn't it mean that that person gets thereotically a lot more than what he began with? So what's your stance on this?

For a mixer, I don't think it really matters as much as it does with an exchange or a wallet. Since they don't actually hold any of your coins except for the chips (of which you get the private keys), you could use the coins you mix pre-split in either blockchain. All you need is the private key and you get access to both of them. For those post-split, it would depend on which blockchain the market decides to use. I expect some downtime for things to settle down so they can decide on the blockchain. In the very unlikely event that the split creates two highly used chains, we would probably see functionality for both unless ChipMixer takes sides with either one, but that's not something I know the answer to.

I think it does. Chipmixer would be at a very big loss if they still continued using old private keys(generated pre-fork), and only required users to deposit coins on both chains. Either they have to ask for 2 coins for the priv key or just wiping out the balance of old private keys altogether and transferring them to a newly generated one.

Anyways it's no guarantee that such a think would even happen, i think that chipmixer has its own plans. It'll probably not affect users as much as exchanges as you said but it will affect chipmixer. So it's nothing to worry about, if anything goes wrong i'm sure Chipmixer support is always here to help.

It'd be nice to get a public statement of whats to happen IF a chain split occurs, though.

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Quote from: btcney on July 21, 2017, 09:17:24 PM

Does Chipmixer have some sort of plan for if there was to be a network split?

E.g. only support one coin, or the other, or both?

If one can deposit on one chain and claim a private key after the mixing process that had funds in it before the network split, wouldn't it mean that that person gets thereotically a lot more than what he began with? So what's your stance on this?

For a mixer, I don't think it really matters as much as it does with an exchange or a wallet. Since they don't actually hold any of your coins except for the chips (of which you get the private keys), you could use the coins you mix pre-split in either blockchain. All you need is the private key and you get access to both of them. For those post-split, it would depend on which blockchain the market decides to use. I expect some downtime for things to settle down so they can decide on the blockchain. In the very unlikely event that the split creates two highly used chains, we would probably see functionality for both unless ChipMixer takes sides with either one, but that's not something I know the answer to.

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Quote from: iram1011 on July 21, 2017, 12:40:47 PM

Being free of cost, Chipmixer is undoubtedly the best mixer I have seen till date.

There could be multiple reasons why chipmixer must be the best one. The wonderful feature I am really enjoying with chipmixer must be, quick mixing. It is possible as total mixing process just requires only one confirmation as output is already having confirmations.

I guess there's most mixers only requires 1 confirmation so it doesn't differ from the others, the one that not common used is the chip, with the private keys was given to you with funds on it instead of sending bitcoin directly. And that's the thing that got the attention of those commonly using mixer for better anonymity.

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Does Chipmixer have some sort of plan for if there was to be a network split?

E.g. only support one coin, or the other, or both?

If one can deposit on one chain and claim a private key after the mixing process that had funds in it before the network split, wouldn't it mean that that person gets thereotically a lot more than what he began with? So what's your stance on this?

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Quote from: iram1011 on July 21, 2017, 12:40:47 PM

Being free of cost, Chipmixer is undoubtedly the best mixer I have seen till date.

There could be multiple reasons why chipmixer must be the best one. The wonderful feature I am really enjoying with chipmixer must be, quick mixing. It is possible as total mixing process just requires only one confirmation as output is already having confirmations.

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Quote from: DaMut on July 21, 2017, 07:07:40 AM

lets make a sample,
i bought 1BTC on my local exchanger,and send it to international exchanger such as (Bittrex,Polo and etc) after using it.
i send it back to my local exchanger,but my address on local exchanger can be tracked (my experience and also my friend).
if i mix it,will it shows my address on exchanger ? because btc address on my exchanger is unique and trackable.
when i used it i am a bit uncomfortable because of it,can you explain it a little bit to me ?

Then use other exchanger to received coins from trading exchanges then transfer it to your address although a bit more pricey because of transaction fees. Best example would be XAPO for that kind of feature. So it will be Trading Exchange = XAPO = your exchanger. (Note: Im not recommending XAPO here for any other reasons. I just state they have that feature.)

I haven't tried yet to mix coins coming from a trading platform although I think it will worked. I found it risky. If you want to test it and you can afford to amount then do some experiment if you like.

(correct me if Im wrong here)

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Quote from: aesma on July 21, 2017, 08:25:04 AM

The BTC going to chipmixer can be tracked until then.

Chipmixer gives you private keys created before you sent the BTC.

And if you sent 1BTC then you will end up with your coins on several of those private keys (the "chips").

Even with a lot of analysis it's really impossible to track.

Yes, mixing service is really boon for bitcoin and its anonymity. Due to excessive trades on exchange, most of the funds flowing are traceable but mixers especially Chipmixer helps in retaining real mean of bitcoin by providing anonymity.
Being free of cost, Chipmixer is undoubtedly the best mixer I have seen till date.

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Quote from: HabBear on July 19, 2017, 01:25:33 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on May 26, 2017, 06:01:37 PM

Total cost: 0.002 BTC donate. You pay what you want.

You offer a revolutionary approach to mixing and don't want to charge a premium for it.

That doesn't mean that they're 100% altruistic or generous. By offering a free service, they:

-Draw attention to the bet feature, giving them an expected 3% average fee from people who use it
-Draw attention to the donations feature, and commonising the amounts.
-Gain a positive reputation among the majority of users.

A lot of businesses do promotions in which people pay less.

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The BTC going to chipmixer can be tracked until then.

Chipmixer gives you private keys created before you sent the BTC.

And if you sent 1BTC then you will end up with your coins on several of those private keys (the "chips").

Even with a lot of analysis it's really impossible to track.

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Quote from: TryNinja on July 20, 2017, 07:58:31 PM

@jorneyflair

Hey. You have a lot of incorrect informations in your post.

Quote from: jorneyflair on July 20, 2017, 07:28:15 PM

I agree with what you are saying btcton, if you deposit 1 BTC and then retrieve the same amount, people can easily track your addresses and then they can obtain all your addresses,

No. They can't "easily" track your addresses and neither obtain all your addesses. The gambling part is just an EXTRA so people can have some fun, profit or make sure you are 100% anonymous for the super paranoids. In my opinion you can easily be safe by only mixing your coins.

Quote from: jorneyflair on July 20, 2017, 07:28:15 PM

and from then some hackers will be able to find your wallet and then hack through it.

I do not want to sound rude, but do you even know how Bitcoin works? How can someone find your wallet by only knowing your address, and even worse... hack throught it?

lets make a sample,
i bought 1BTC on my local exchanger,and send it to international exchanger such as (Bittrex,Polo and etc) after using it.
i send it back to my local exchanger,but my address on local exchanger can be tracked (my experience and also my friend).
if i mix it,will it shows my address on exchanger ? because btc address on my exchanger is unique and trackable.
when i used it i am a bit uncomfortable because of it,can you explain it a little bit to me ?

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Quote from: jorneyflair on July 20, 2017, 07:28:15 PM

I agree with what you are saying btcton, if you deposit 1 BTC and then retrieve the same amount, people can easily track your addresses and then they can obtain all your addresses, and from then some hackers will be able to find your wallet and then hack through it. This is why sometimes gambling/donating your funds are beneficial since it does make it harder to track.

Chipmixer offers a regular mixing service but adds heaps of features to make it secure.

That is why they are adding gambling is just to increase to anonymity of the transaction which is it will hardly to track your bitcoin..
And if you are lucky to win in gambling it can increase more the security of your bitcoin because they seen that you only have 1 btc as sample and win in gambling and you can receive it as 2 btc minus the donation if you donate.. and it will hardly to trace your transaction..

This is a unique mixing service that i never seen from other mixers ..
The other good thing there you can only pay how much you want to donate.. unlike other services ..

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Quote from: jorneyflair on July 20, 2017, 07:28:15 PM

I agree with what you are saying btcton, if you deposit 1 BTC and then retrieve the same amount, people can easily track your addresses and then they can obtain all your addresses,

No. They can't "easily" track your addresses and neither obtain all your addesses. The gambling part is just an EXTRA so people can have some fun, profit or make sure you are 100% anonymous for the super paranoids. In my opinion you can easily be safe by only mixing your coins.

Quote from: jorneyflair on July 20, 2017, 07:28:15 PM

and from then some hackers will be able to find your wallet and then hack through it.

I do not want to sound rude, but do you even know how Bitcoin works? How can someone find your wallet by only knowing your address, and even worse... hack throught it?

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I agree with what you are saying btcton, if you deposit 1 BTC and then retrieve the same amount, people can easily track your addresses and then they can obtain all your addresses, and from then some hackers will be able to find your wallet and then hack through it. This is why sometimes gambling/donating your funds are beneficial since it does make it harder to track.

Chipmixer offers a regular mixing service but adds heaps of features to make it secure.

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Quote from: btcton on July 19, 2017, 11:58:37 PM

You are forgetting one of the main benefits of betting in ChipMixer rather than betting separately and then mixing: privacy. If you are mixing coins without doing any other transaction such as a purchase then your inputs and outputs are going to be the same amount of bitcoin. For example, you send in 1 BTC, you then get back 1 BTC. By using the built-in wagering, your input is guaranteed to be different from your output. That 1 BTC you might have wagered with would, with full security, be output as a different amount (for example as 2 BTC if you won the wager and it got doubled). This makes it pretty much impossible to trace in any way.

This betting feature really is not made solely for betting but rather provide more anonymity and be more untraceable using betting and also after that when you mix and send (like you said) would produce different input and output.

Quote from: btcton on July 19, 2017, 11:58:37 PM

Of course, the counterargument would be that other sites may have more betting features and different ways of wagering your money, but if that is the case then the regular mixing that ChipMixer offers is pretty good, especially if vouchers are used and the output is withheld until a later date.

We should know that ChipMixer is mixing site rather than betting site which betting is made for the purpose to enhance further your mixing experiences.

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Quote from: dillpicklechips on July 19, 2017, 11:48:50 AM

I don't know if anyone had suggested this but here it goes: you should fix your website in mobile mode although you can view it in desktop mode but for the sake of conveniency it would be better.

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Quote from: aTriz on July 18, 2017, 06:49:45 PM

Seems like everyone is talking about the gambling aspect of chipmixer and I'll add my own input.

There are 2 aspects that adding gambling your chips can bring.

1. Further anonymity, say you deposited 0.05 onto chipmixer and then bet 0.01 of that and came out on top, you would be leaving with 0.06 and that would be harder to track than just putting 0.05 in and taking the same amount out.

2. It is fun and adds an aspect of gaining coins with mixing. Just don't bet all your coins.

I knew just recently that you can bet on chipmixer. LOL.

Anyway, like you said, I think it is definitely to bet on chipmixer than on sites like primedice. If you're the type of person that mixes his/her coins from betting sites, rather bet on chipmixer since you bet using the mixing site itself, decreasing the number of transactions you need to make. We all know how much a transaction may cost these days. lol

Actually you get no fees transferring your bitcoins in primedice from one account to another and whenever you send it to your wallet (correct me if I'm wrong). What the real edge of ChipMixer is if you bet there and won a lot then decided to mix it then you don't need to do it manually since the site itself is a mixer which will save you a lot of time.

You are forgetting one of the main benefits of betting in ChipMixer rather than betting separately and then mixing: privacy. If you are mixing coins without doing any other transaction such as a purchase then your inputs and outputs are going to be the same amount of bitcoin. For example, you send in 1 BTC, you then get back 1 BTC. By using the built-in wagering, your input is guaranteed to be different from your output. That 1 BTC you might have wagered with would, with full security, be output as a different amount (for example as 2 BTC if you won the wager and it got doubled). This makes it pretty much impossible to trace in any way.

Of course, the counterargument would be that other sites may have more betting features and different ways of wagering your money, but if that is the case then the regular mixing that ChipMixer offers is pretty good, especially if vouchers are used and the output is withheld until a later date.

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I don't know if anyone had suggested this but here it goes: you should fix your website in mobile mode although you can view it in desktop mode but for the sake of conveniency it would be better.

Quote from: mk4 on July 19, 2017, 06:33:45 AM

Quote from: aTriz on July 18, 2017, 06:49:45 PM

Seems like everyone is talking about the gambling aspect of chipmixer and I'll add my own input.

There are 2 aspects that adding gambling your chips can bring.

1. Further anonymity, say you deposited 0.05 onto chipmixer and then bet 0.01 of that and came out on top, you would be leaving with 0.06 and that would be harder to track than just putting 0.05 in and taking the same amount out.

2. It is fun and adds an aspect of gaining coins with mixing. Just don't bet all your coins.

I knew just recently that you can bet on chipmixer. LOL.

Anyway, like you said, I think it is definitely to bet on chipmixer than on sites like primedice. If you're the type of person that mixes his/her coins from betting sites, rather bet on chipmixer since you bet using the mixing site itself, decreasing the number of transactions you need to make. We all know how much a transaction may cost these days. lol

Actually you get no fees transferring your bitcoins in primedice from one account to another and whenever you send it to your wallet (correct me if I'm wrong). What the real edge of ChipMixer is if you bet there and won a lot then decided to mix it then you don't need to do it manually since the site itself is a mixer which will save you a lot of time.

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Quote from: aTriz on July 18, 2017, 06:49:45 PM

Seems like everyone is talking about the gambling aspect of chipmixer and I'll add my own input.

There are 2 aspects that adding gambling your chips can bring.

1. Further anonymity, say you deposited 0.05 onto chipmixer and then bet 0.01 of that and came out on top, you would be leaving with 0.06 and that would be harder to track than just putting 0.05 in and taking the same amount out.

2. It is fun and adds an aspect of gaining coins with mixing. Just don't bet all your coins.

I knew just recently that you can bet on chipmixer. LOL.

Anyway, like you said, I think it is definitely to bet on chipmixer than on sites like primedice. If you're the type of person that mixes his/her coins from betting sites, rather bet on chipmixer since you bet using the mixing site itself, decreasing the number of transactions you need to make. We all know how much a transaction may cost these days. lol

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Quote from: HabBear on July 19, 2017, 01:25:33 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on May 26, 2017, 06:01:37 PM

Total cost: 0.002 BTC donate. You pay what you want.

Dare I ask...why so charitable?

You offer a revolutionary approach to mixing and don't want to charge a premium for it. Every bitcoin related company should be so generous, it's so in the spirit of the ideals from which Bitcoin was born.

Thank you.

The pay-what-you-want pricing model is actually becoming fairly popular. In this case, it also happens to be beneficial to ChipMixer as a business as well. This model allows people who would otherwise not use the service (due to cost) to use it without really costing the business, in this case ChipMixer, any significant amount of money. Furthermore, in this specific case, more people using the service, even if they are not paying, is actually beneficial to being a mixer. The higher the quantity using the mixer, the more transactions get anonymized and privacy kept secure. For this reason it actually helps ChipMixer that people are allowed to use their services at no charge. It's a win-win situation. And then of course there will pretty much always be people who pay out of appreciation of the service offered.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on May 26, 2017, 06:01:37 PM

Total cost: 0.002 BTC donate. You pay what you want.

Dare I ask...why so charitable?

You offer a revolutionary approach to mixing and don't want to charge a premium for it. Every bitcoin related company should be so generous, it's so in the spirit of the ideals from which Bitcoin was born.

Thank you.

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Seems like everyone is talking about the gambling aspect of chipmixer and I'll add my own input.

There are 2 aspects that adding gambling your chips can bring.

1. Further anonymity, say you deposited 0.05 onto chipmixer and then bet 0.01 of that and came out on top, you would be leaving with 0.06 and that would be harder to track than just putting 0.05 in and taking the same amount out.

2. It is fun and adds an aspect of gaining coins with mixing. Just don't bet all your coins.

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