[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented - page 22.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on May 26, 2017, 06:01:37 PM

Introducing ChipMixer
Mixing reinvented for your privacy

Tor v3 link: http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion (chip mix or fly, new Segwit)
Tor v2 link: http://chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion/ (obsolete, non Segwit)
Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com/

I noticed that the Tor link v3 doesn't work anymore.
The END of ChipMixer or what is the issue?

See here a screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/sSMToYp.png

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 09, 2022, 02:55:44 AM

Isn't the checking of such a clearnet website compromising more of your privacy than checking directly the CM onion website with Tor browser?!

Seems simple enough to script. Jut fire up Tor standalone (the full browser is not needed, and then "wget" or "curl" the chipmixer onion website while using Tor as a SOCKS proxy. If it succeeds, flip a bitswitch somewhere in a file, then make PHP read it and display the status on some webpage somewhere.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on August 08, 2022, 07:59:19 PM

Isn't there a way of monitoring Chipmixer's online status without compromising the much intended privacy, like this one of an exchange (https://status.huobigroup.com)?

Isn't the checking of such a clearnet website compromising more of your privacy than checking directly the CM onion website with Tor browser?!

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Isn't there a way of monitoring Chipmixer's online status without compromising the much intended privacy, like this one of an exchange (https://status.huobigroup.com)?

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I think this is the longest ChipMixer has been down. I know they'll come back but at least they should announce what's going on. I'm a huge fan of ChipMixer

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Is there any chance that in a near future it will be possible to mix using the .com version if you can fix the troubles that it brought?
Or the decision is final

Secondly, is it possible to share what was the percentage of people using Tor VS the clearnet (approximately of course).
I understand it could be something private, but well it doesn't cost me anything to try Tongue

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 07, 2022, 05:35:34 PM

You could also try contacting them yourself with writing an email explaining them your exact situation.
I don't know if they are still using the same email address for support, but if I remember correctly this one was used previously:

Yep... I had actually sent an email to that address politely mentioning the situation. I have not heard back. I will give it some time.

Quote from: dkbit98 on August 07, 2022, 05:35:34 PM

Sure, but Chipmixer is constantly under attack, and scammers are always trying to scam people with fake website and new techniques.
Sometimes it's better to have no service to fix some things, instead of people losing coins from attacks.

Agreed. And to be honest... now that you have provided me with some level headed thinking... I do feel better. Thank you for that. I do believe this is all going to work itself out.

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Quote from: stevario on August 06, 2022, 04:36:31 PM

Thanks for responding. I guess time will tell if this is an exit scam or a honest downtime.

Just be patient and wait for official reply from ChipMixer.
You could also try contacting them yourself with writing an email explaining them your exact situation.
I don't know if they are still using the same email address for support, but if I remember correctly this one was used previously:

Quote from: ChipMixer on January 22, 2021, 12:50:33 AM

[email protected]

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 10:50:34 AM

I do not completely believe that is accurate. I can load other pages... both clearnet and onion pages. But not CM. Sure... not every page loads every time. But CM has not loaded for 48 hours... and I have tried at least 100 times.

Sure, but Chipmixer is constantly under attack, and scammers are always trying to scam people with fake website and new techniques.
Sometimes it's better to have no service to fix some things, instead of people losing coins from attacks.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 07, 2022, 02:30:08 PM

That post was about the Bitcointalk user ChipMixer not being online, it wasn't about the website itself.

Thanks for clarifying. That was not clear to me... but I am a newbie.

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Quote from: stevario on August 06, 2022, 03:58:17 PM

I am pretty concerned that I have lost some BTC.

For what it's worth: downtime has happened before, and ChipMixer always resolved everything in the end. They're in the privacy business, they too want to remain anonymous, and I can imagine that makes updates in cases like this more difficult. Note that this is only speculation from my end, based on what I've seen so far.

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 08:26:33 AM

I see in the thread Signature Thread campaign there is a post from @DarkStar on July 24 (page 232)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.4620

That post says "ChipMixer hasn't been online since last week".

That post was about the Bitcointalk user ChipMixer not being online, it wasn't about the website itself.

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Quote from: n0nce on August 07, 2022, 12:22:28 PM

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

One thing that concerns me... the value of washing coins is based on the time between the deposit and the withdraw. If you deposit and withdraw the same amounts with no delay you diminish the value of mixing. On top of that... the ChipMixer paradigm is based on creating a session that terminates after 7 days. Meaning... if I create a session and deposit some bitcoin I need to preserve the chips or withdraw the BTC within 7 days.

So what if the BTC is sitting in my session and the 7 day session expires while the site is down? In this case I never really had the chance to withdraw the funds.

First of all, the best anonymity is achieved by keeping some time between deposit and withdrawal, that's correct.
But you don't have to withdraw within 7 days; you're supposed to 'withdraw' vouchers right away, and redeem and 'actually withdraw' the coins days or potentially months or years later. Not supposed to just close the browser and restore it using session token. The session token is more intended to, well, restore a session after there was a technical issue such as now.

In the rare chance that you did create a session, deposited and had no time to withdraw keys or chips / vouchers before it suddenly went down, don't worry. ChipMixer extends session times by the amount of days that it was offline. That's at least how they did it so far.

Thanks! That is a good tip. I was planning to do three withdraws over four days. The first withdraw happened 24 hours after the deposit and was successful. The next day the site went down. I have been trying to get back into complete the withdraws. I did see the voucher but did not plan to wait more than 7 days... so I did not pull vouchers. I now understand that it is better to just pull vouchers immediately and use them over time.

I appreciate the note that ChipMixer will extend the session times. That does give me some comfort.

I would also just love ChipMixer to update the clearnet site and say something like "We are experiencing problems at the moment. Do not worry... we expect to be back online soon and your funds are safe." Or something similar.

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Quote from: jackg on August 07, 2022, 11:05:27 AM

I'd imagine chipmixer hosts their own exit node that's able to dns to their website and a lot of requests might go straight through them.

You didn't get to the point of exit node when you are visiting onion service, it happens within the network at a rendezvous point[1]. It doesn't get "exit".

[1] https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/overview/

Quote from: jackg on August 07, 2022, 11:05:27 AM

@chipmixer it might be necessary to look at making your nodes throttle outgoing connections or disconnecting ones that look unfavourable/spammy/are big).

Umm, it wouldn't be possible due to how onion service works. If you can distinguish an user, there is no privacy/anonymity.

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

So what if the BTC is sitting in my session and the 7 day session expires while the site is down?

Quote from: ChipMixer on June 23, 2022, 09:36:07 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on June 23, 2022, 05:04:35 AM

What happens with a user's deposit if the site doesn't come back online 7 days after the session expires, but he couldn't use the service or extend the session due to the downtime?

We make refund if user couldn't use the service due to the downtime. In cases of longer DDoS attacks we extended sessions time.

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Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

One thing that concerns me... the value of washing coins is based on the time between the deposit and the withdraw. If you deposit and withdraw the same amounts with no delay you diminish the value of mixing. On top of that... the ChipMixer paradigm is based on creating a session that terminates after 7 days. Meaning... if I create a session and deposit some bitcoin I need to preserve the chips or withdraw the BTC within 7 days.

So what if the BTC is sitting in my session and the 7 day session expires while the site is down? In this case I never really had the chance to withdraw the funds.

First of all, the best anonymity is achieved by keeping some time between deposit and withdrawal, that's correct.
But you don't have to withdraw within 7 days; you're supposed to 'withdraw' vouchers right away, and redeem and 'actually withdraw' the coins days or potentially months or years later. Not supposed to just close the browser and restore it using session token. The session token is more intended to, well, restore a session after there was a technical issue such as now.

In the rare chance that you did create a session, deposited and had no time to withdraw keys or chips / vouchers before it suddenly went down, don't worry. ChipMixer extends session times by the amount of days that it was offline. That's at least how they did it so far.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 07, 2022, 12:04:40 PM

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

If you deposit and withdraw the same amounts with no delay you diminish the value of mixing.

I am almost sure that the engine doing the mixing is not down (I expect its uptime not being related to onion, instead related to bitcoin network and some machine running 24/7 in the cloud).

It also might have checks to know when it's down so that sessions can be extended based off the downtime.

ChipMixer will also be able to trace deposits from the blockchain/their own wallets and offer withdrawals based off that after then (especially if session tokens have some relationship to deposit addresses).

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Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

If you deposit and withdraw the same amounts with no delay you diminish the value of mixing.

I am almost sure that the engine doing the mixing is not down (I expect its uptime not being related to onion, instead related to bitcoin network and some machine running 24/7 in the cloud).

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 11:46:27 AM

On top of that... the ChipMixer paradigm is based on creating a session that terminates after 7 days. Meaning... if I create a session and deposit some bitcoin I need to preserve the chips or withdraw the BTC within 7 days.

I guess that OP, when he's back, can easily handle that (and also give more insightful answers too).

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OK... fair enough. I do understand the "chill and do not create panic."

One thing that concerns me... the value of washing coins is based on the time between the deposit and the withdraw. If you deposit and withdraw the same amounts with no delay you diminish the value of mixing. On top of that... the ChipMixer paradigm is based on creating a session that terminates after 7 days. Meaning... if I create a session and deposit some bitcoin I need to preserve the chips or withdraw the BTC within 7 days.

So what if the BTC is sitting in my session and the 7 day session expires while the site is down? In this case I never really had the chance to withdraw the funds.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 07, 2022, 11:22:18 AM

Quote from: bloooodddddy on August 07, 2022, 05:35:20 AM

why chipmixer representative didnt tell anything here? Huh

is chipmixer closing

Do you try to get a problem fixed or you want to create panic?! Asking same question on every corner will get you nothing new.
Chill. Keep in mind that it's week-end and also holiday season. Also, as said, Tor is in trouble itself...
I'd say you should wait until the new week starts...

PS. If it helps, I've reproduced your first error both yesterday and today.

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Quote from: bloooodddddy on August 07, 2022, 05:35:20 AM

why chipmixer representative didnt tell anything here? Huh

is chipmixer closing

Do you try to get a problem fixed or you want to create panic?! Asking same question on every corner will get you nothing new.
Chill. Keep in mind that it's week-end and also holiday season. Also, as said, Tor is in trouble itself...
I'd say you should wait until the new week starts...

PS. If it helps, I've reproduced your first error both yesterday and today.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: stevario on August 07, 2022, 10:50:34 AM

I do not completely believe that is accurate. I can load other pages... both clearnet and onion pages. But not CM. Sure... not every page loads every time. But CM has not loaded for 48 hours... and I have tried at least 100 times.

Are you noticing a pattern between ones you can access a lot easier and ones you can't?

I don't know many tor sites to access but if exit nodes host their own dns servers then it's very likely they're favouring connections to sites they know (and don't have to ping other servers to find).

I'd imagine chipmixer hosts their own exit node that's able to dns to their website and a lot of requests might go straight through them.

The network looks like it's being aggressively restructured in order to handle the ongoing ddos and this might've caused other unintended disruptions.

(I don't want to mention the other reason they might be suffering because I don't want to educate others on how to perform ddos attacks but @chipmixer it might be necessary to look at making your nodes throttle outgoing connections or disconnecting ones that look unfavourable/spammy/are big).

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I do not completely believe that is accurate. I can load other pages... both clearnet and onion pages. But not CM. Sure... not every page loads every time. But CM has not loaded for 48 hours... and I have tried at least 100 times.

Quote from: Lucius on August 07, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: bloooodddddy on August 07, 2022, 05:35:20 AM

why chipmixer representative didnt tell anything here? Huh

is chipmixer closing

It's not a problem in CM, but in Tor itself - see the previous page where a similar discussion was held.

https://i.imgur.com/o5EXtn1.png
https://status.torproject.org/

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Quote from: bloooodddddy on August 07, 2022, 05:35:20 AM

why chipmixer representative didnt tell anything here? Huh

is chipmixer closing

It's not a problem in CM, but in Tor itself - see the previous page where a similar discussion was held.

https://status.torproject.org/

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