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Quote from: LeGaulois on October 03, 2018, 10:12:15 AM

Hi guys, just a question

Wasn't Chipmixer working to integrate the service into the Electrum wallet? I was sure to read it on this topic but I can't find the post that talked about it anymore. Make me wonder if I was just dreaming...

They did. But it's probably outdated and installing it is hard. They are working on an Electrum fork with ChipMixer integrated.

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 16, 2018, 01:51:33 PM

btw. how about the electrum chipmixer plugin there is no update on github since Jun 10, 2017

We do experiments and measure their usage. Installing Electrum plugin is harder than using ChipMixer with browser. Low amount of our users use plugin. Updating the plugin will not change it.
We are working on bundling ChipMixer plugin with a special version of Electrum - it may change it.

And this older one:

Quote from: ChipMixer on July 29, 2018, 03:33:53 PM

We are experimenting with a fork of Electrum wallet, eh. They already told us they will not merge any mixer integration - even as a plugin - but this will allow keeping wallet up to date with all new features and extend them with special handling of chips.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on October 03, 2018, 10:12:15 AM

Hi guys, just a question

Wasn't Chipmixer working to integrate the service into the Electrum wallet? I was sure to read it on this topic but I can't find the post that talked about it anymore. Make me wonder if I was just dreaming...

No there was a discussion on chipmixer wanting to make a distro of electrum that had its service in it.
I'm not entirely sure what happened to it but I think chipmixer had it more of a hobbyistic/experimental strategy rather than something that was definite...

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Hi guys, just a question

Wasn't Chipmixer working to integrate the service into the Electrum wallet? I was sure to read it on this topic but I can't find the post that talked about it anymore. Make me wonder if I was just dreaming...

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 29, 2018, 10:43:35 AM

yes i know, but if i split and merge my same chips again again and again in the webif did the mixinground increase 1+n ?

You deposit 256 mBTC - You receive 256 CHIP no. 111.
You click "split" - Chip no. 111 is exchanged for two 128 CHIPs: no. 52 and no. 95
You click "merge" - Chips no. 52 and no. 95 are exchanged for one 256 CHIP no. 69

Split-then-merge does not affect privacy.

You split to hide chip sizes you receive from ChipMixer. By default you receive the most effecient chip sizes.
You merge (ie. new deposit and old voucher) to withdraw chip larger than each separate deposit.

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 29, 2018, 10:43:35 AM

yes i know, but if i split and merge my same chips again again and again in the webif did the mixinground increase 1+n ? or is it still only an 1 mixing round cause i get on every split/merge action the same chips again ?

for example:

Fund 1.024 btc :

Choose the button split in 2x 0.512 BTC and then merge back to 1.024 BTC than split and merge again ... and so on

best regards moejoejay

No, it changes nothing...
If you split and merge your chips, your chips are just values on the system. If you split the 1.024BTC into two, withdrew them and put them into different sessions of 0.511BTC (after paying tx fee and donating a bit to chipmixer) then yes it owuld make it slightly more private but not much as it already does quite well at mixing chips.

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Merging and splitting doesn't happen on the blockchain, so it all happens in the backend so to speak.

yes i know, but if i split and merge my same chips again again and again in the webif did the mixinground increase 1+n ? or is it still only an 1 mixing round cause i get on every split/merge action the same chips again ?

for example:

Fund 1.024 btc :

Choose the button split in 2x 0.512 BTC and then merge back to 1.024 BTC than split and merge again ... and so on

best regards moejoejay

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 28, 2018, 06:20:41 AM

If i send some Bitcoins to chipmixer and merge and split the same coin third times in the webif ( frontend) .

Do i get an mixinground from 3 or 1 ? Is this just the same split merge transaction in the backend ?

Merging and splitting doesn't happen on the blockchain, so it all happens in the backend so to speak.

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 28, 2018, 06:20:41 AM

@jackg:

If i send some Bitcoins to chipmixer and merge and split the same coin third times in the webif ( frontend) .

Do i get an mixinground from 3 or 1 ? Is this just the same split merge transaction in the backend ?

regards moejoejay

I'm not sure I understand you but I'll take a stab anyway.

Splitting and merging doesn't do much to make your coins private (other than make multiple outputs out of the inputs you put in).

If you split 1.024BTC for example, you'd get 2x0.512BTC chips, you could then split that again and get 4x0.256BTC chips and so on...
If you go with the last option and split each chip twice, tehn you'd get 4 private keys with 0.256BTC on them.
It wouldn't be recommended to go too low as chipmixer can only handle a certain amount at a time in it's online wallet - I think a lot of the recent issues have been from too many people trying to make a large number of small chips and withdraw them.

Did I explain myself correctly or do you want to ask the question again but worded differently so I can get what you're getting at?

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@jackg:

Ok i can deal with this solution

Another question for understanding:

If i send some Bitcoins to chipmixer and merge and split the same coin third times in the webif ( frontend) .

Do i get an mixinground from 3 or 1 ? Is this just the same split merge transaction in the backend ?

regards moejoejay

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hi. just used your mixing service. now i need to check if there is some old coins from my wallet A before mixing in my wallet B after mixing. one year ago it was great free service on blockchain*info called taint-analysis - it allowed me to make such kind of research and i was always sure that i got completely new coins and there is zero correlation with old ones. now this service is not working any more. does your service have such option (taint-analysis) or maybe you can recommend other services i can try with ?

The way the mixing service works, the new coin you have does not have any relationship with the old one because those chips are preloaded and the issue of taint analysis does not come in at all. Others can shed more light on how exactly it works.

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hi. just used your mixing service. now i need to check if there is some old coins from my wallet A before mixing in my wallet B after mixing. one year ago it was great free service on blockchain*info called taint-analysis - it allowed me to make such kind of research and i was always sure that i got completely new coins and there is zero correlation with old ones. now this service is not working any more. does your service have such option (taint-analysis) or maybe you can recommend other services i can try with ?

Who says the site isn't working? If it's down it's probably a ddos, wait a few hours and come back to it.

There are quite a few competitors but none seem to do as well as this one for fee controlled movement of funds...

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 20, 2018, 12:48:59 PM

is it possible to use chipmixer on the testnet blockchain ?

best regards moejoejay

No, I don't think it is.
Just use small chip sizes if you want to send a test transaction.

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is it possible to use chipmixer on the testnet blockchain ?

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Quote from: ChipMixer on September 18, 2018, 05:08:46 AM

ChipMixer service updated

session tokens and vouchers no longer contains confusing letters (ie. 0 and O, I and l) and both are displayed with different font style - it is easier to write them down by hand (if you really need it)
our contact section contains pgp key - it is not required to use it and it was generated by protonmail.com
our support staff can now publish notice / warning on mixers page - it will be easier to notify users about mixer problems
step 2 has been redesigned to display value of vouchers and private keys - you no longer need to know about vouchers at step 3
donate chip button has been redesigned to avoid accidental clicks

This is great news, especially with the tokens/voucher codes!
The notificatoin bit as well is going to be really helpful (I no longer have to make a session when someone can't withdraw to check it's low on funds - can this be automated or does someone have to notice it though)...

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ChipMixer service updated

session tokens and vouchers no longer contains confusing letters (ie. 0 and O, I and l) and both are displayed with different font style - it is easier to write them down by hand (if you really need it)
our contact section contains pgp key - it is not required to use it and it was generated by protonmail.com
our support staff can now publish notice / warning on mixers page - it will be easier to notify users about mixer problems
step 2 has been redesigned to display value of vouchers and private keys - you no longer need to know about vouchers at step 3
donate chip button has been redesigned to avoid accidental clicks

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 17, 2018, 08:46:38 AM

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When you deposit 2.23 mBTC you receive 2 mBTC chips. One 2 mBTC or two 1 mBTC. Splitting and merging chips does not change amount you have.

So my assumption was right but the explaination was wrong ? I lost 0.00023 btc's or ?

Yes. You donated 0.00023 because the minimum chip size is 0.001 so 0.00223 becomes 0.002 BTC.

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When you deposit 2.23 mBTC you receive 2 mBTC chips. One 2 mBTC or two 1 mBTC. Splitting and merging chips does not change amount you have.

So my assumption was right but the explaination was wrong ? I lost 0.00023 btc's or ?

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We do experiments and measure their usage. Installing Electrum plugin is harder than using ChipMixer with browser. Low amount of our users use plugin. Updating the plugin will not change it.
We are working on bundling ChipMixer plugin with a special version of Electrum - it may change it.

The Problem at the beginning if u use the browser version is to understand the chip and merge behaviour.
I think an simple tut or video instruction how to do this wil help new people to understand this more quickly.
Or an simulated mixing on the website.

to the other point, the plugin plans sounds quite good

best regards moejoejay

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 16, 2018, 01:51:33 PM

i have send 0.00223 in my chipmixer session and split into 2 chips
and merge these 2 again
I'll lost 0.00023 is my assumption right ?

When you deposit 2.23 mBTC you receive 2 mBTC chips. One 2 mBTC or two 1 mBTC. Splitting and merging chips does not change amount you have.

Quote from: moejoejay on September 16, 2018, 01:51:33 PM

btw. how about the electrum chipmixer plugin there is no update on github since Jun 10, 2017

We do experiments and measure their usage. Installing Electrum plugin is harder than using ChipMixer with browser. Low amount of our users use plugin. Updating the plugin will not change it.
We are working on bundling ChipMixer plugin with a special version of Electrum - it may change it.

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Quote from: moejoejay on September 16, 2018, 01:51:33 PM

when i withdraw bitcoins to to chipmixer for example:

i have send 0.00223 in my chipmixer session and split into 2 chips

You missed what it says on step one:

Quote from: chipmixer.com link=https://chipmixer.com/session/step1

Minimum amount is 0.001 BTC with 0.001 BTC increments.
Depositing 1.2345 BTC will result with 1.234 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1249 BTC will result with 0.124 BTC funds.
Depositing 0.1240 BTC will result with 0.124 BTC fund

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anyway i have an other question:

when i withdraw bitcoins to to chipmixer for example:

i have send 0.00223 in my chipmixer session and split into 2 chips

and merge these 2 again

I'll lost 0.00023 is my assumption right ?

or did i overlook sth.

btw. how about the electrum chipmixer plugin there is no update on github since Jun 10, 2017

best regards moejoejay

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