[ANN] [COINO] KGW ACTIVATED - WALLET UPDATE ▬► COINO -(O)- ◄▬ The fastest Coin - page 6.

bgade

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Quote from: Zangy on April 23, 2014, 04:43:08 PM

Quote from: smcardle on April 21, 2014, 06:23:19 PM

We now have a Community Wallet Address for you to make donations, should you want to, for future Coin(O) Community Efforts.
COINO : UWny7ri39ZxdBcTCvNE1tzuPDTD898WvWj

Started donating a few coins to this... I'd like to give some to the developers as well... can we have something up on the coinocoin website with donations to the developers as I think without you guys coino would be dead in the water... Id like to donate to you as well as the community.. unless the above donation IS the best way

I'm not going to jump up and say the developers are rich... but we aren't needing donations to us directly at the moment. I think all of the people working to move the coin forward would rather see the donations go to the community to help further the cause.

Anything donated to that community address is going to stay out of our pockets and available for use in the community. Both Steve and I have access to it, but we won't be pulling it out until there is a stated reason. In fact, we have both contributed to it as well to ensure there is a sizable amount available.

At the moment its balance in just under 24,000 thanks to everyone who has already given some Coino.

And to make sure we are clear, the time everyone has invested in updating and making new features, websites, etc is unpaid. The server resources that are making it all run are donated as well and there are no immediate plans to change that.

Lets move Coino forward by making sure the support is shown for the entire community, not just the actual people who are volunteering - we aren't here to look for handouts.

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Quote from: smcardle on April 21, 2014, 06:23:19 PM

Hi All.

We now have a Community Wallet Address for you to make donations, should you want to, for future Coin(O) Community Efforts.

COINO : UWny7ri39ZxdBcTCvNE1tzuPDTD898WvWj

ALL donations will be used by the community team for the benefit of the community.

As you may know, the current Community Team were not involved in any pre-mine activity of Coin(O), and thus we have no Coin(O) stashed away to further the Coin(O) cause.

No developers or Community Members will directly profit from any donations you make as they will all go towards supporting Coin(O)'s future.

Happy mining

Your Coin(O) Community Team.

Started donating a few coins to this... I'd like to give some to the developers as well... can we have something up on the coinocoin website with donations to the developers as I think without you guys coino would be dead in the water... Id like to donate to you as well as the community.. unless the above donation IS the best way

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Quote from: smcardle on April 22, 2014, 03:18:34 PM

Quote from: bgade on April 22, 2014, 02:37:41 PM

Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 09:34:15 AM

ok but i have in wallet +60k con i try directly send from wallet 37000 con to another wallet and wallet dont send only show window with some erorr...

How did you get the 60,000 Coino into the wallet?

There is actually another limit that will come into play here.

This is a section from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Maximum_transaction_rate

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Each transaction input requires at least 41 bytes for the previous transaction reference and other headers and each transaction output requires an additional 9 bytes of headers. Finally every transaction has a header at least 10 bytes long. Added up we get 166 bytes for the minimum-sized Bitcoin transaction. For 1MB (1,000,000 byte) blocks this implies a theoretical maximum rate of 10tx/s.

However change complicates the situation. It isn't always possible for a client to find a transaction input of the size required. Thus client software will included additional outputs to themselves for the change, and similarly they will include additional inputs to collect change outputs together when no one output is large enough.

So as bgade says, with a large number of small inputs you will quickly reach the transaction limit. You also need to consider that larger transactions (in size) carry much heftier fees, up to 500x the normal fee for a 500KB

The following is how BitCoin calculate their fees for transaction size

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0.01 BTC fee per kilobyte of transaction, but: If the blocksize (size of all transactions currently waiting to be included in a block) is less than 27 kB, transactions are free. If the blocksize is more than 250 kB, transactions get increasingly more expensive as the blocksize approaches the limit of 500 kB. Sending a transaction when the blocksize is 400 kB will cost 5 times the normal amount; sending when it's 499 kB will cost 500x, etc.

So as bgade has stated, to avoid large transaction fees and increase the value of single transaction sent from your wallet you need to accumulate higher value transactions into another wallet address first and then send from that address.

As an example, I transferred 15,000 Coino and the transaction fee for that was 5 Coino rather than 0.1 because the accumulated size of the individual transactions required to make up that single 15,000 coino transaction was so large

Regards

thanks its working Wink

big payment send and now is on pool all payment back to fully automated ...

bgade

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Quote from: Jonesd on April 23, 2014, 08:02:09 AM

Last words of Coino?

It appears that way, yes.

Once the new website is finished, this thread will be closed and a new one that is run by the community development team will be created.

If you haven't heard all the good news lately, look back a few pages. The new team is doing well.

Jonesd

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Quote from: coino.org on March 15, 2014, 08:02:44 AM

Quote from: sidder on March 13, 2014, 04:22:51 PM

I am very surprised that no one here has bought votes at https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes I read a lot of complaining in this thread about the price going down from lack of interest. Don't you know it needs to hit bigger exchanges to generate more interest? That's not the only thing of course and yes, people are helping promoting this coin in other ways for sure. But it NEEDS to hit Cryptsy at least.

I have personally bought the last 100 votes and was planning on buying more, but I see that no one here in this community is willing to chip in. Very disappointing. If 100 of us all bought a measly 0.02 btc worth of votes (like I have already done), we would add 10,000 votes to cryptsy and be at 6th place already. Last time they added 4 coins so just think about it, we would almost be added at that point.

But like 95% of you aren't taking any action and instead sitting back, complaining, and doing nothing but watching this coin die. That's sad, so please I beg you do a little work and give up a little. Bribe Cryptsy and all other exchanges, tell your friends about Coino, stop posting anything negative, and stop selling off your coin for cheap. Please!

Thanks...

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It is funny to see the reaction of some people here. 3 days no news and some of you going crazy. What do you want to hear? We stick to our plan on the roadmap.
I think it's impossible to satisfy some of you. You will just complain and complain again. Maybe Coino is not the right coin for you. No need to get aggressive again just think about it. We will not change our plan. We will update you guys WHEN we have something to update! We could just talk bullshit day by day and promise you things we can't keep. Do you want that?

You will just have to watch and see what will happen with coino. If you don't want that - please leave - really....please leave!

Btw. thanks for dumping the price and stop mining. This will make the real Coino supporter happy because they can buy cheap and mine with a low diff!

Last words of Coino?

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Quote from: youngwebs on April 23, 2014, 07:16:35 AM

Quote from: craaaa on April 23, 2014, 06:58:00 AM

Quote from: NetAlp on April 23, 2014, 12:35:04 AM

http://con.easy-mine.eu/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool scam?

yes ;-)

but

Its your pool??!

yes its my pool, i think this "guy" want this reply" Roll Eyes

but i think we need ask moderator to close this thread and start new or i think he can add to new dev op for this thread to ....
and where is 2m premine ... its need destroy Cheesy

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Quote from: craaaa on April 23, 2014, 06:58:00 AM

Quote from: NetAlp on April 23, 2014, 12:35:04 AM

http://con.easy-mine.eu/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool scam?

yes ;-)

but

Its your pool??!

craaaa

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Quote from: NetAlp on April 23, 2014, 12:35:04 AM

http://con.easy-mine.eu/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool scam?

yes ;-)

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~~http://con.easy-mine.eu/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool scam?~~

Fixed sory

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Quote from: allcrypt on April 22, 2014, 07:13:55 PM

We're having tons of issues with user deposits and withdrawals. We're on the latest version from github (60300) but SEEM to be on a different blockchain?

Havent gotten any answers anywhere. As I write this our highest block is 301323 but have two users with deposits that never arrived, and a user with a withdrawal that never made it out. Our block ARE updating. But the difficulty is .00279389 leading me to believe we're on a fork with just a very few small users mining.

But we've deleted and redownloaded the blockchain. Twice.

And still NOT right. The current block explorer says we should be somewhere in the 322k range for blocks.

So how the hell do we get off the damn fork and get our wallets working right again? There is no other wallet version to use. The git hasnt been updated in 2 months, and we added the coin just 2-3 weeks ago.

So whats going on?

If you haven't seen the git updated in two months, you are probably using the old github and old developer code.

Coino became a community coin on April 1st, 2014. The original developer has not been seen since early March.

You can find the current wallet binaries and github source at:
www.CoinoCoin.com

You can also find the new web wallet that was released this week at:
wallet.CoinoCoin.com

Once you update to the current wallet, you can use the addnode listed on CoinoCoin.com to ensure you are connected to the correct chain. At the moment, we are not aware of a fork in the chain.

As you point out however, there are likely one or two clients running very old code and you are finding only them when you also run that older code.

I will send you a private message with a block explorer link that runs on the main CoinoCoin server so that you can see exactly where the correct block chain is.

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We're having tons of issues with user deposits and withdrawals. We're on the latest version from github (60300) but SEEM to be on a different blockchain?

Havent gotten any answers anywhere. As I write this our highest block is 301323 but have two users with deposits that never arrived, and a user with a withdrawal that never made it out. Our block ARE updating. But the difficulty is .00279389 leading me to believe we're on a fork with just a very few small users mining.

But we've deleted and redownloaded the blockchain. Twice.

And still NOT right. The current block explorer says we should be somewhere in the 322k range for blocks.

So how the hell do we get off the damn fork and get our wallets working right again? There is no other wallet version to use. The git hasnt been updated in 2 months, and we added the coin just 2-3 weeks ago.

So whats going on?

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Quote from: bgade on April 22, 2014, 02:37:41 PM

Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 09:34:15 AM

ok but i have in wallet +60k con i try directly send from wallet 37000 con to another wallet and wallet dont send only show window with some erorr...

How did you get the 60,000 Coino into the wallet?

There is actually another limit that will come into play here.

This is a section from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Maximum_transaction_rate

Quote

Each transaction input requires at least 41 bytes for the previous transaction reference and other headers and each transaction output requires an additional 9 bytes of headers. Finally every transaction has a header at least 10 bytes long. Added up we get 166 bytes for the minimum-sized Bitcoin transaction. For 1MB (1,000,000 byte) blocks this implies a theoretical maximum rate of 10tx/s.

However change complicates the situation. It isn't always possible for a client to find a transaction input of the size required. Thus client software will included additional outputs to themselves for the change, and similarly they will include additional inputs to collect change outputs together when no one output is large enough.

So as bgade says, with a large number of small inputs you will quickly reach the transaction limit. You also need to consider that larger transactions (in size) carry much heftier fees, up to 500x the normal fee for a 500KB

The following is how BitCoin calculate their fees for transaction size

Quote

0.01 BTC fee per kilobyte of transaction, but: If the blocksize (size of all transactions currently waiting to be included in a block) is less than 27 kB, transactions are free. If the blocksize is more than 250 kB, transactions get increasingly more expensive as the blocksize approaches the limit of 500 kB. Sending a transaction when the blocksize is 400 kB will cost 5 times the normal amount; sending when it's 499 kB will cost 500x, etc.

So as bgade has stated, to avoid large transaction fees and increase the value of single transaction sent from your wallet you need to accumulate higher value transactions into another wallet address first and then send from that address.

As an example, I transferred 15,000 Coino and the transaction fee for that was 5 Coino rather than 0.1 because the accumulated size of the individual transactions required to make up that single 15,000 coino transaction was so large

Regards

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Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 09:34:15 AM

ok but i have in wallet +60k con i try directly send from wallet 37000 con to another wallet and wallet dont send only show window with some erorr...

How did you get the 60,000 Coino into the wallet?

craaaa

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Quote from: bgade on April 22, 2014, 09:20:22 AM

Quote from: youngwebs on April 22, 2014, 09:08:56 AM

maybe someone else with so many coinos can confirm such transaction breaks? I dont not have enough coinos to test this.. Sad

Its nothing to do with the number of Coino being sent - its about how many places the wallet has to get Coinos from to add up to the big amount.

If I send you 100 Coino, then 100 more and then 100 more, you have 300 Coino total. You can send that as 300, but when you do, you are actually taking all three initial transactions and sending the output of them to a single address as 300. So what you see as one send of 300 is actually 3 inputs to 1 output.

If I sent you one Coino at a time and did that one thousand times, you would have 1000 Coino. But if you tried to send all of it at one time, it would fail. 1000 inputs to 1 output is just too much for the wallet to take.

You could easily send 1,000,000 million Coino at one time, as long as it didn't arrive 1 Coino at a time.

The limitation is in the way the block chain of any coin, Coino included, works.

In the case in point, its trying to take 1057 inputs (35 Coino at a time) and create 1 output. Its not the amount of Coino that matters, its the number of inputs.

Its the same reasons pools don't want you to mine directly to their wallets. If you do, they start throwing errors on withdraw of coins - because they have to combine too many small inputs to make the desired output.

ok but i have in wallet +60k con i try directly send from wallet 37000 con to another wallet and wallet dont send only show window with some erorr...

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Quote from: youngwebs on April 22, 2014, 09:08:56 AM

maybe someone else with so many coinos can confirm such transaction breaks? I dont not have enough coinos to test this.. Sad

Its nothing to do with the number of Coino being sent - its about how many places the wallet has to get Coinos from to add up to the big amount.

If I send you 100 Coino, then 100 more and then 100 more, you have 300 Coino total. You can send that as 300, but when you do, you are actually taking all three initial transactions and sending the output of them to a single address as 300. So what you see as one send of 300 is actually 3 inputs to 1 output.

If I sent you one Coino at a time and did that one thousand times, you would have 1000 Coino. But if you tried to send all of it at one time, it would fail. 1000 inputs to 1 output is just too much for the wallet to take.

You could easily send 1,000,000 million Coino at one time, as long as it didn't arrive 1 Coino at a time.

The limitation is in the way the block chain of any coin, Coino included, works.

In the case in point, its trying to take 1057 inputs (35 Coino at a time) and create 1 output. Its not the amount of Coino that matters, its the number of inputs.

Its the same reasons pools don't want you to mine directly to their wallets. If you do, they start throwing errors on withdraw of coins - because they have to combine too many small inputs to make the desired output.

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Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 08:42:51 AM

no there is amout to windraw , but pool cant send windraw request to one miner (+37000con) i try manual send from server wallet to my wallet this balance, wallet make error cant make this transaction its wallet error not from pool MPOS or some else)

If the wallet is storing each 35 coin chunk in a separate address, like it tends to do, there are probably too many inputs to make that happen in one transaction. Most pools discourage payouts of more than a couple thousand Coino at one time just for that reason.

The easiest solution is to do it as several smaller transactions and then set the pool warn limit to something like 2000. You could also enforce auto transfer to prevent anyone from building up that many coins.

If you need to make it do one 37k transaction, pull a new addresses from the wallet and then do several 5k sends to the wallet from the wallet back to it. That will get you to the point of having the resources to do one big 37k transaction.

The issues isn't specific to Coino. All coins have maximum sizes on transactions - not on the number of coins sent - but on the number of inputs to a single transaction. If the coins had arrived at the wallet in batches of 10,000 you'd be able to send 150k easily, etc. This relates to the wallet holding countless transactions of just 35 coins from mining.

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maybe someone else with so many coinos can confirm such transaction breaks? I dont not have enough coinos to test this.. Sad

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Quote from: youngwebs on April 22, 2014, 08:28:22 AM

Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 07:52:42 AM

wallet need be updated .... have error need fix .... from my pool cant some miner be windraw amout over 37000 (wallet cant make this transaction ) please fix wallet
and second why u mark easy-mine.eu as closed? < fix it Wink

You are correct, easymine is working, I will edit post above. (i clicked all the links in the start page, and the ones not loading of having the wrong actual block number i marked as 'dead' Maybe i made a mistake somwhere, but hey, therefore it its concept.. Roll Eyes

If you cannot withdraw from your pool, the pool does not have enough coins to pay you. This is not a wallet issue I think?!
is it a wallet message, or an MPOS message?

no there is amout to windraw , but pool cant send windraw request to one miner (+37000con) i try manual send from server wallet to my wallet this balance, wallet make error cant make this transaction its wallet error not from pool MPOS or some else)

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Quote from: craaaa on April 22, 2014, 07:52:42 AM

wallet need be updated .... have error need fix .... from my pool cant some miner be windraw amout over 37000 (wallet cant make this transaction ) please fix wallet
and second why u mark easy-mine.eu as closed? < fix it Wink

You are correct, easymine is working, I will edit post above. (i clicked all the links in the start page, and the ones not loading of having the wrong actual block number i marked as 'dead' Maybe i made a mistake somwhere, but hey, therefore it its concept.. Roll Eyes

If you cannot withdraw from your pool, the pool does not have enough coins to pay you. This is not a wallet issue I think?!
is it a wallet message, or an MPOS message?

craaaa

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wallet need be updated .... have error need fix .... from my pool cant some miner be windraw amout over 37000 (wallet cant make this transaction ) please fix wallet
and second why u mark easy-mine.eu as closed? < fix it Wink

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