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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

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Edited percentages.

Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.

Have you tried coming into the IRC and chatting with the dev team to see if they can fix it?
Have you double checked all accounts are pulling correctly with same pass keys and such?
Console is Estimated PPD.....
Make sure your pulling numbers on stats pages and cryptobullionpools.com
Best bet is to chat in IRC and see if we can get it solved for you.

Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated."
I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth!

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Quote from: r3animation on June 11, 2014, 08:39:16 AM

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

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Edited percentages.

This is the most important to do, to document the data that are used to calculate the payout. Then we secure the data that are used. Is this something we can do?

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on June 11, 2014, 07:59:09 AM

Quote from: Rainer4256 on June 11, 2014, 07:59:09 AM

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

Edit:
Edited percentages.

Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.

I can only say my numbers seem to be running correctly.

You can't just look at PPD but at the WUs you submitted. If they're not submitted then they're not counted. (eg. shares on a normal mining pool)

Of course I understand that. And they are submitted. Here is a sample of one of my logs from today:

Code:

13:27:54:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 242500 out of 250000 steps (97%)
13:40:48:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 245000 out of 250000 steps (98%)
13:55:14:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps (99%)
13:55:15:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.200:8080
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Assigned to work server 128.143.231.202
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: RUNNING cpu:3 from 128.143.231.202
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 128.143.231.202:8080
13:55:18:WU00:FS00:Downloading 3.67MiB
13:55:23:WU00:FS00:Download complete
13:55:23:WU00:FS00:Received Unit: id:00 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:8576 run:1 clone:7 gen:427 core:0xa3 unit:0x000018fb0a3b1e5952288863eadf5941

And here's a screenshot of one of my FAHControl instances:

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on June 11, 2014, 07:59:09 AM

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

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Edited percentages.

Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.

I can only say my numbers seem to be running correctly.

You can't just look at PPD but at the WUs you submitted. If they're not submitted then they're not counted. (eg. shares on a normal mining pool)

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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

Edit:
Edited percentages.

Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.

Have you tried coming into the IRC and chatting with the dev team to see if they can fix it?
Have you double checked all accounts are pulling correctly with same pass keys and such?
Console is Estimated PPD.....
Make sure your pulling numbers on stats pages and cryptobullionpools.com
Best bet is to chat in IRC and see if we can get it solved for you.

Rainer4256

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For the benefit of medical research

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

Edit:
Edited percentages.

Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.

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My numbers are pulling correctly off cryptobullionpools.com

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Aboy68:

Using the numbers on the CryptoBullionPools page, which are the ones you should use when calculating, my payment seem to be right in line.

Another user has reported his works out correctly as well.

I recommend tracking it for a few more days and using only the CryptoBullionPools numbers, as they're the ones that matter.

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Quote from: chup on June 11, 2014, 05:02:32 AM

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations.

Edit:
Edited percentages.

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Quote from: harihebat on June 11, 2014, 02:07:44 AM

My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.

//Aboy68

I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days.

First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.

Look at this spread of errors it makes me Huh

??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on?

Calculated coins   Wallet coins    Diff
213,3277512   126,95    -68%
202,5632982   146,3    -38%
144,6901068   152,24    5%
146,3821938   152,24    4%
154,8686699   156,65    1%
170,2160332   157,8    -8%
181,9166571   157,8    -15%
127,0696147   94,17    -35%
111,6924741   80,61    -39%
82,82930888   95,38    13%
92,20017242   90,37    -2%
91,59280485   48,8    -88%

All information is grabbed from these pages:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893
Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10.
Total coins a day: 7488 coins.

Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be.
//Aboy68

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Quote from: Aboy68 on June 10, 2014, 04:43:47 PM

Quote from: Vorksholk on June 10, 2014, 10:42:57 AM

Quote from: Aboy68 on June 10, 2014, 12:26:09 AM

Low/wrong payout! Huh

On web page http://curecoin.net/index.php/en/inside-curecoin/stats - User Aboy68
Yesterday in frame 14 the statistics was about 240 coins.
Today in frame 3 the statistics are 255 coins.
My payout today was 126 coins Angry

The payout are declining while my folding are stable and total folds are going DOWN.

Something is really spooky!!!
Please give me an understandable explanation!

Are there anybody else that have this!

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With statistics from http://kakaostats.com/t.php?col=2&t=224497&offset=1&search_text=&filter=active
I did take the total numbers from column "Points 24h" and extracted my share of total value (From 6 pages)
Then I have 2,87% of total folding, 2,87% of 7488 are 215 coins!!!
This amount of total folding I have hade for many days, and the payouts have been 126, 146, 152, 152, 156, 157, 157.
The payout value are going in the wrong direction! Your calculations are wrong!!!

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With statistics from http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497
Total 24h folding for team curecoin = 100,299,528
Aboy68 24h folding = 2,660,580
Share for Aboy68 are = 2.65%
2.65% of 7488 coins are 198 coins
Again a prof that your calculations are wrong!!!

Please correct the calculations and do adjustments to the faulty payouts!

//Aboy68
-- please correct me if I'm wrong --

Josh looked into the issue, and it seems that the pool is paying out the full 7488 coins per day to accounts, though doing a bit of math on my end, yesterday's frame saw you with 3.07% of the folding power of the team, which should have given you 229.8816 coins. What is the address your payouts are going to?

The pool does use a PPLNS system, which might be bugged. The payout for my account appears around 40% less than it should as well. . . I'll bug Josh to delve a bit deeper. Sad

My curecoin wallet address is BDPCrnhXeR28WyASN2yNSVhsmRB1KUmtD7
Thanks for seeing the same thing I have seen.
//Aboy68

Due to the PPLNS bug I have lost about 800 coins the last 7 days, and I have been mining 24 days Angry

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I have been learned by my parents/society to ALWAYS be honest, this can't be a pure mistake, to calculate shares is the real basic in school, I interprets that the dev team of this coin are NOT honest or have hidden agendas and that are not the way I like it. Please bring all on the table!!!

It's really easy to check your latest payout of coins, you take the 24h folding points for the cure team and your 24h points from this page:
http://kakaostats.com/t.php?col=2&t=224497&offset=1&search_text=&filter=active
2014-06-11 07:36 Europe it's 100,299,260 points
And then you find your own 24h points, select your name and extract the 24h points.
My points are now 2,713,276 points.
The really hard calculations that the dev team messed up is (2713276/100299260)*7788=210 coins
May payout should be something around 210 coins, (10% acceptable range is 200 to 220) this value are a moving target but it shows if you get your coins with a ok accuracy. I guess 10% should cover it.

If you find your payout to be more than 10% off, please post it then:

My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.

//Aboy68

hi aboy68,

cmiiw but i believe it's 7488 not 7788
according to this http://stats.curecoinfolding.com/daily.html

tk

Yepp it is 7488

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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.

//Aboy68

I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days.

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