Topic: [ANN] CureCoin 2.0 is live - Mandatory Update is available now - DEC 2018 - page 41. (Read 696267 times)

Soon we will begin internal testing with Core_22. It's CUDA! It is expected that NVidia GPU's to get approximately 30% more performance. I participate in internal tests. For me it is a pleasure.


https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=29618&start=15#p292677

Just thought I'd check in, project is still active. Someone mentioned SigmaX, that is still planned to launch along with cc2.0.

If you have any specific questions, please PM me, as I don't have time to read through this thread on a regular basis.

 AS I SAID, I don't build riser systems.
 I don't think I own a motherboard that has 6x PCI-E slots (I know some have 5), but I don't care enough to bother going to check.

 I also don't build "optimised specifically for Folding" systems - my recent builds have been 3x PCI-E slot AMD FM2 based systems, with an A10 APU that uses the CPU cores to support the folding GPUs and the APU's GPU to run Dnet RC5 via MooWrapper/BOINC and generating some Gridcoin on the side - I'm a VERY long term participant in the Distributed.net project, going back to DES days.

 My "base systems" probably run $250-$300 but that's with a much higher cost CPU than a "Folding-specific" system needs, could easily cut over $100 of the price by going with a bottom-end A4 or switching to an AM3+ solution with a Sempron CPU instead. Plenty of well-under $100 motherboards with 3x PCI-E 16-bit slots on the AMD side, and I tend to overkill some on the RAM too.

 The Seasonic X850 power supplies I use are mild overkill, but I wouldn't run a 6 card rig of 1070s on a X1250 (or an EVGA G2 1300) anyway.

Where are you getting your motherboards? For the rest of us, $400 USD is cheap for a setup with a mb that has 6* x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots.





*less than PCI Express 3.0 x16 and both cards (1070 & 1080) suffer PPD loss from 2% to 50% depending on the slot type

Just for fun speculation, it sure is unusual to see curecoin hold a price this high for this long, appears to be climbing too.

4 day chart: http://puu.sh/tHzgE/0cfd0578dd.png

It's flatlined now, I'm panic holding as usual but I expect a steady drop from here.. surprise me curecoin!

Right, I was talking to ComputerGenie when I said that, because he said they were MY figures.



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Right, like I say I was being conservative with all of my numbers and erring in favor of the 1080s in order to do a comparison in the worst case scenario for the 1070s...and to not have to endure having everything I said being nitpicked to death and implications of me being mentally challenged. (To no avail concerning that latter part)


That's why I chose it   (And presumably why Mr. Genie chose it to counter an earlier post of mine)

The entire sheet is/was meant to be able to look at a given WU, and see how your results for that WU compare to someone else that had already submitted their info for that WU on the overclock.net forum.
The "averages" don't come out the same when you compare PRCG to PRCG.
When you look at the guys that have multiple rigs, the "average" answer you'll get is that the "average" 1070 will pump an "average" of about 600kPPD and the "average" 1080 will pump an "average" of about 800kPPD. This is their experience over time, not 1 time over 1 WU.
The "database" contains 17 numbers for a 1080, which is 17 single WUs; that is less than a single full day of folding for a single 1080.

Actually those were your figures. My figures were $550 and $800 CAD respectively (even though it's actually more like $510 vs. $780 for the cheapest dual or triple fan design but I was being conservative). I knew if I used my own figures you would nitpick everything.

@QuintLeo, the difference comes from the fact that you need an extra $400 for the rest of the components of each rig (One really good PSU like an EVGA 1300W G2 and then cheap/used everything else, milk crate or self-built wood/aluminum or whatever for case/chassis etc.). You only need one rig for 6 cards and two rigs for 8. I wanted to use his own example of the worst case for the 1070s where you need to pay for an extra rig and only get 7 or 8 cards to show that even in that worst case and with his overly optimistic 1080 PPD numbers, the 1070s still come out ahead. But of course it's still wrong because FLDC only pays out once a month lol.



 My figures weren't $400 and $600 - someone else came up with those, I just agreed that they were reasonable for comparison.
 I never stated any figures of my own.

 I wasn't looking at one WU - I was looking at the AVERAGES page - which points to your 800k PPD figure for a 1080 as being quite a bit on the high side of a FAIR estimate, and your 600k PPD probably being a bit on the low side, both cards being equally overclocked.

 $400 seems quite a bit on the high side for the "additional base system" to me, but that's likely due to the fact I don't build riser systems.

 Even if that figure is included, that would give you a second system that 3 cards could be added to before you need to do it again on the 1070 side, vs having to add a second base system on the 1080 side before you could add more cards - which would allow the 1070 based setup to pull away from the 1080 using reinvested profits.

 Let's look at $8000 - 2 full 1080 rigs, 12 cards at 9,600,000 PPD vs 3 full 1070 rigs 18 cards at 10,800,000 PPD.
 Interesting how a straight up FULL RIG comparison favors the 1070.

 You see this same result at all price points that do not compare a "optimal price point for exactly full systems" 1080 setup to a non-full-rigs 1070 setup.

 If the 1080 didn't carry a premium price compared to it's additional performance, it would win - but paying 50% more per card for 33% additional performance (or LESS using posted real world figures, probably due to the memory system not being all that much faster) overcomes the savings on non-GPU components in a FAIR comparison.


 It IS interesting that the $4000 point was chosen for the comparison though, since it seems to be THE most favorable point for the 1080 - and the 1080 STILL ends up losing past the first month or two.

Perhaps reply to this topic in the curecoin forums:

https://www.curecoin.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3898

It hasn't been updated, but I think those forums are followed more closely by Cygnus and Vorksholk than this thread is, which is understandable with the amount of irrelevant posts one has to read through to get caught up if you've been away from this thread for a while (I'm clearly guilty of adding to this number. See above  ). Also it was posted by Cygnus so he may get a notification in his e-mail or something if you reply to it.

I've chatted with whoever runs the CureCoin account on Facebook and they seem to respond pretty quickly too. I don't think it's either of the devs but I'm sure they could get in touch with them if you ask.

Thanks for reply I will seek him out and ask him directly again.

Right just as I explained. Don't see where I'm going off course here.

Which was the part he was off by.

Nope I follow just fine. The $400/$600 and PPD/power figures all came from you. Only the rig cost came from me.

@ bardacuda It seems you have trouble following along, so let me hlp you:
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Actually those were your figures. My figures were $550 and $800 CAD respectively (even though it's actually more like $510 vs. $780 for the cheapest dual or triple fan design but I was being conservative). I knew if I used my own figures you would nitpick everything.

@QuintLeo, the difference comes from the fact that you need an extra $400 for the rest of the components of each rig (One really good PSU like an EVGA 1300W G2 and then cheap/used everything else, milk crate or self-built wood/aluminum or whatever for case/chassis etc.). You only need one rig for 6 cards and two rigs for 8. I wanted to use his own example of the worst case for the 1070s where you need to pay for an extra rig and only get 7 or 8 cards to show that even in that worst case and with his overly optimistic 1080 PPD numbers, the 1070s still come out ahead. But of course it's still wrong because FLDC only pays out once a month lol.




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I think Vorksholk was waiting on some legal or copyright stuff or something like that but it was more or less finished...that was my understanding anyway.

• The pricing in that comment is using is his figures, not mine
• Figuring PPD based off of 1 WU (a single job of a single project run - which is what that sheet does if you actually look at the numbers) is the epitome of "BAD DATA"

EDIT:

• "This database was created to compare frame times with other users in order to see whether your PPD is where it should be or if there is something wrong with the system (instability, incorrect client configuration, throttling etc.)"

what happened to the other coin they were releasing with curecoin?

they did an alpha or beta release and it went wrong?

What is happening with that coin and when is the snap shot on the cure coin wallet?

It was some quantum resistant new design?

Is it shelved for good or is it still worth holding this cure coins in my wallet awaiting some snapshot date to quality for the new coin?

I have seen no futher mention of it in months now?

 By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s.

 (the $400 and $600 are close enough I'm not going to quibble over the actual pricing, which is a very little less in both cases to go with the lowest-cost cards on Newegg on any given day).

 *HOWEVER* your figure of 800K PPD for a 1080 appears to be HIGHLY optimistic based on the database at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html# (I don't have any 1080s so I can't compare based on my own figures), while that 600k figure is in line with my 1070 farm of VERY MILDLY overclocked 1070 cards but very PESSAMISTIC vs the database.

 I think you're trying to make a case here based on BAD DATA.

Thanks, corrected link.

http://foldingcoin.xyz/?token=FLDC&total=250000&start=2017-01-28&end=2017-01-29

Not 100% but I'm pretty sure the halvening is already taken into account with these stats. I don't know though cuz I stopped folding for about a month in early November after ZEC was released and then I spent another month not doing anything cuz I rearranged everything to do a crossfire setup and test out Star Citizen. Only just started folding again about a week ago and haven't gotten another payout yet.

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Ahh in that case let me edit that post.

EDIT2: Fixed!