Topic: [ANN] CureCoin 2.0 is live - Mandatory Update is available now - DEC 2018 - page 42. (Read 696267 times)

If you keep the link with "500000", then yes.

Edit: It should be noted, however, that that is only an estimate and only covers a given day..

After December 17, 2016 everything should be divided /2. Is that correct?

http://foldingcoin.xyz/?token=FLDC&total=250000&start=2017-01-28&end=2017-01-29

Click "show stats"

Ctrl+F and find your address (or any address that had more than 0 if you just want to figure out the PPD per FLDC ratio)
Your PPD for that day (28th in this case) will appear in the right-most column.
Find-next (F3) and you will see your FLDC "payout" for that day.
Divide to get the ratio.

In my case 511k PPD / 763 FLDC = 670 PPD / FLDC or 0.0015 FLDC / PPD (again, this is valid for the 28th only as "difficulty" can change)

EDIT: Edited to adjust for the recent halvening.

Ahhhhh

We'll all know more in a week or so; however, for folks I've talked to, the general thought is roughly PPD*0.02. That's, of course, not taking into account that for every flop that the network grows, the per user FLDC diminishes (hence the "I'm too lazy to explain" comments).

As a side note, if we're wrong in our "PPD*0.02" estimate, the flip-side is that:
For every bit we're short on our estimate, the lead of 1 GTX1080 (vs 1 GTX1070) grows exponentially by whatever we're off.

1070 @ 2.0 GHz: 670k PPD
970 @ 1.43 GHz: 370k PPD
From 12.17.2016 to 12.31.2016 I received 25.3k FLDC (~1/2 month). Before halving I was getting (on both cards) about 102k FLDC per month.

You have one GTX 1070 card overclocked enough to get 1,500,000 PPD out of it?

Only if I get a hug first

I think there is an error while calculations for "FLDC per month". I have a 1070 overclocked. According to my calculations, should I get about 30k FLDC per month after halving.

@(ComputerGenie & Bardcuda)

Maybe instead of fighting you should meet around a beer, do the math together peacefully and then write a white paper about the absolutely most optimal configuration for high performance folding that could be published on CURE, FLDC and F@H websites

Your math is so far off, it's no wonder that you're confused.


600,000 PPD * 8 1070s = 4,800,000 PPD
800,000 PPD * 6 1080s = 4,800,000 PPD

OK, so you've spent the same $ to get the same PPD, except:
8 1070s * 150 watts = 1200 + 10% = 1320 Watts @ the wall
6 1080s * 180 watts = 1080 + 10% = 1188 Watts @ the wall

So, based on the Canadian average of $0.10, you're spending $0.70 per day ($21 per month) just to have "shiny things".

Now, you go on about some zero ROI repurchase plan...
Firstly, unless your day 28 falls on the 1st Saturday of the month and you live in Magicland (where you can sell your FLDC and get the card you purchase with that sale installed on the same day), you're theory is flawed from the get go....

I'm just too bored with you to explain why your thought process will leave you behind in the long run. Good day to you, sir.

Of course I'm stuck on the "more cards" concept as that is what any rational person would do. Of course a 6-card 1080 rig will beat a 6-card 1070 rig, because 1080s are faster. Even a 5 year old can figure that out. If that is all you are trying to convice me of, then don't bother. I agree 100%.

So let's explore the dumb idea of taking the cost of a 6-card 1080 rig and instead using the same money to build 1070 rigs (No one has an unlimited budget and if you did, why bother to mine? Even if the budget is much greater all the numbers here will just scale proportionally). Let's assume that the cost of the rest of the rig equals the cost of a 1070...or $400 USD:

$600 x 6 + $400 = $4000 (The cost of a 6-card 1080 rig)
Now, being the neanderthal that I am, I decide to take that same amount of money and buy 1070s instead, because "Oooh, I can has even more shinies!"
So I spend $800 on two barebones rigs and have $3200 left over and buy 8x 1070 cards. Well I must be dumb, because I have 33% more cards but they get 33% less PPD, but I'm also paying more for power!


So let's use your own numbers AND give the 1080s the benefit of the doubt and assume they draw the same amount of power per card as a 1070 rather than 20% more. I will be paying $21.03 whereas you are paying $15.77 (something tells me this number is wrong, but of course you did the math in every way shape and form), yet we are both making $4791.31 per year as you say.

Now we can stop here, and again it's easy to see that the 1080 system comes out ahead by almost $6/year. Wowza!

But, for some idiotic reason I decide I would rather have more income, so once I earn enough to add more cards I do that. At $4791.31 per year, I will earn that amount divided by 365.25 per day, or $13.12...minus the cost of power ($21.03 / 365.25 = 5.7­¢), so $13.06. After 30.6 days I will have enough to buy another 1070. Let's call it 31 days to simplify things and err on the side of the 1080 system. So one month in I am now earning [($4791.31 - $21.03) / 365.25] * 9/8 , or $14.69 per day with the power cost now factored in, whereas you are still earning ($4791.31 - $15.77) / 365.25 = 13.07 per day and have accumulated $405.32 in profits, and (thinking maybe there is something to this "more income" shenannigans) buy yourself a shiny new rig but which is devoid of GPUs (or don't. Whatever).

Shall I continue?

After 27.22 days (let's call it 28 just 'cuz) I buy myself another 1070, and am now earning $14.69 * 10/9...or $16.33...per day, and you will have accumulated $771.13 (or $13.07 x 59 days) and spent $400, leaving you with $377.13 and still only 6 1080s and an income of $13.07....

Do I really need to continue at this point? I can but I'll stop here. Clearly you know how this ends up as you have already done the math in every which way. I'm glad you don't have buyer's remorse and are happy with your purchases, but to imply that anyone that does different (and you DID imply this) is somehow not smart, is simply wrong. Good day!

I've discovered today that there is a quite active (161 pages at the moment) Spells of Genesis forum on Bitcointalk : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spells-of-genesis-innovating-the-game-economy-with-bitcrystals-bcy-957797

Maybe they can give you all the answers on how to get rid of your cards

You may have cards in your wallet based on what you said. You may need to click the radio button for 'All Cards' on the SoG page to see them. There was FDCARD that was directly given away through merged folding (I forgot about that).

And you're completely ignoring the fact that your mind is stuck on a narrow budget concept and not a ROI/profit concept.
6 cards vs 6 cards
@ 9 months
1070 rig is "above" 1080 rig in profitability by ~$50 (all 12 cards have paid for themselves at this point)
@ 12 months
1070 rig = 1080 rig (profit is equal)
@ 13 months
1070 rig is less than 1080 rig in profitability by ~$99 profit
@ 24 months
1070 rig is less than 1080 rig in profitability by ~$1,200 profit

Now, I'm sure you're still stuck on the "more cards" end of your thought so, remember this...
Cards 7 & 8 will need another full set of hardware to run.
Now, since you spoke of the "fringe cases", free electric is definitely the "fringe case" (this is why I stated that the numbers don't apply in your limited hobbyist case); taking that into account, you'd also have to calculate the extra cost of running another 2 card rig (cards 7 & 8 ) and the 300-400 extra watts in electric that would cost for a net effect of equal PPD.

And none of that takes into account that the difference between doubling a 6 card 1070 rig out of profits is only 2 months faster than doubling a 6 card 1080 rig out of profits (which would leave 1070 future rigs/earnings exponentially lower every 9 months).

By all means, do as you will; however, by no means, think that you're going to show that I have "buyer's remorse" or that I have not run the numbers every way imaginable or whatever such nonsense you've convinced yourself of.

OK, that's where I got lost because following his instructions, the SoG page showed 2 "rare" cards and 1 "epic" card; to my mind, that meant they were mine. Thanks.

I believe cygnusxi would have had to earn/buy the SoG cards from playing the game, or possibly buy with Bitcrystals or MagicFLDC (earned from folding). The SoG cards were not earned directly from merged folding rewards.

I was talking about selling the SpellsOfGenesis Cards themselves (the ones cygnusxi describes here:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17585009), not the MAGICFLDC or other tokens. As in some value for those of us that don't play the game.

You can use the Counterparty DEX (Decentralized Exchange) built into the Counterwallet (https://wallet.counterwallet.io/).
It is slow and clunky because it uses Bitcoin transactions to sell tokens for XCP, but that is the easiest way for selling the other tokens not traded at centralized exchanges. Once you have XCP then you can trade that for BTC or whatever at the normal centralized exchanges like: Poloniex (https://poloniex.com/), or Bittrex (https://bittrex.com/).

If you are selling small amounts of something on the DEX, the Bitcoin fees might outweigh the amount of XCP you will get. So make sure it's worth it. Like MAGICFLDC is pretty worthless now, but it's for future SoG use, so it will have value when it can be used in the game or to buy rare cards for the game.

But you're completely ignoring the fact that the guy with lower per-rig income would have 50% more of those rigs lol

Yes, you're right; it saddens me that I'm making $800 USD per card instead of $600 USD per card.
Ignore everything I've said and stick with making ~$3,593.48 USD per year per rig, instead of ~$4,791.31 USD per year per rig (the extra $1,200 USD in profits are surely going to give you "buyer's remorse").
It's true, I'm just a moron wishing I wasn't earning $50,000 USD p/yr mining.