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Quote from: suchmoon on July 28, 2016, 07:50:51 AM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 28, 2016, 03:31:55 AM

Quote from: Benarand on July 28, 2016, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

That's how I perceive their attitude as well. Which means they can't copy/paste Ethereum much longer. Nor will it be easy to find dedicated devs.

Except that it's not actually true:

https://ethereumclassic.github.io/

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We believe in decentralized, censorship-resistant, permissionless blockchains. We believe in the original vision of Ethereum as a world computer you can't shut down, running irreversible smart contracts. We believe in a strong separation of concerns, where system forks are only possible in order to correct actual platform bugs, not to bail out failed contracts and special interests. We believe in censorship-resistant platform that can be actually trusted - by anyone.

Yes it is. That is how I perceive the attitude of the community. Whether it's their official policy or not.

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 28, 2016, 03:31:55 AM

Quote from: Benarand on July 28, 2016, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

That's how I perceive their attitude as well. Which means they can't copy/paste Ethereum much longer. Nor will it be easy to find dedicated devs.

Except that it's not actually true:

https://ethereumclassic.github.io/

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We believe in decentralized, censorship-resistant, permissionless blockchains. We believe in the original vision of Ethereum as a world computer you can't shut down, running irreversible smart contracts. We believe in a strong separation of concerns, where system forks are only possible in order to correct actual platform bugs, not to bail out failed contracts and special interests. We believe in censorship-resistant platform that can be actually trusted - by anyone.

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Quote from: noobtrader on July 28, 2016, 03:35:20 AM

Quote from: Benarand on July 28, 2016, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

i think thats would be difficult with mining difficulty bomb, they need to use pos or remove diff bomb. i want to hear what feasible option besides HF Huh

The mining bomb will happen in October or November this year. So it will be a dead coin by that time.

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Quote from: Benarand on July 28, 2016, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

i think thats would be difficult with mining difficulty bomb, they need to use pos or remove diff bomb. i want to hear what feasible option besides HF Huh

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Quote from: roselee on July 28, 2016, 02:10:30 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

who will force them ? vitalik and co? and how ? etc already said no to a hf when vitalik asked them.

thats about how to deal with it as i understand one has to hf again

https://medium.com/@timonrapp/how-to-deal-with-the-ethereum-replay-attack-3fd44074a6d8#.z46p3gmbh

When the BTC Core fans ditch etc you will have to appeal to eth users. And they will probably find that they had a lot of etc and lost them. If that is not a worry for the ETC team then that should be a red flag for anyone looking into it.

Quote from: Benarand on July 28, 2016, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

That's how I perceive their attitude as well. Which means they can't copy/paste Ethereum much longer. Nor will it be easy to find dedicated devs.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

ETC will never hard fork, it is their principle. If it hard fork, it will be a dead coin. So it will have only one chain.

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Quote from: notbatman on July 28, 2016, 01:40:01 AM

So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

who will force them ? vitalik and co? and how ? etc already said no to a hf when vitalik asked them.

thats about how to deal with it as i understand one has to hf again

https://medium.com/@timonrapp/how-to-deal-with-the-ethereum-replay-attack-3fd44074a6d8#.z46p3gmbh

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So if ETC is forced to hard fork will exchanges start listing the old chain as Ethereum Classic Original (ECO)?

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on July 27, 2016, 09:26:03 PM

http://www.altcointoday.com/chinese-exchange-yunbi-lost-40000-etc/

Chinese Exchange Yunbi Lost 40,000 ETC Over Chain Vulnerability

the Ethereum Foundation which employs countless of experienced developers working on sharding, Casper and other applications has come out in support of ETH:

We will focus our resources and attention on the chain which is now called ETH (ie. the fork chain)

Ethereum users and dapp developers can, therefore, fully ignore ETC and be safe from relay attacks if they transact on only one chain allowing the two communities to freely co-exist and compete in their chosen path.

etc HF or die...

that nice of them pumpy but why didnt they help earlier ? i thought the ethereum foundation was built only to develop ethereum ?
if they come out now what did they do befor?
i thought they put already all resuces on the problem ? beginning from the doa desaster to the hf and now to solve this replay attack?

and pumpy the skype leak showed that the devs themself picked up the etc and sold them or am i wrong ?
see read
https://imgur.com/a/DHexx#4I1WrPY

and they talk about the replay .........unbelivebal
this guys now come in to save it ? havent they been coding the hf?

the advice for the masses to stay safe from a replay attack is to stay away from etc.
but the devs already collected there free money in etc and sold them
but if every one does that now its a risk for there project ?

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Quote from: frostminer on July 27, 2016, 08:04:56 AM

Quote from: Slydrule on July 27, 2016, 08:01:46 AM

Quote from: digi123 on July 27, 2016, 06:56:22 AM

Quite amazing what I've been seeing. Comes down to the pure hatred of Etherium to the point of trying to use it against itself, and people stupid enough to give away their money to a thief and the like, utterly amazing.
It's like inviting a thief into your home and watching him pick out whatever they want and waving goodby with a smile on your face.

Vitalik has as nicely as he possibly can said goodby to all that to move on with Ethereum.

It has become quite apparent that Ethereum will move on with the continued development and all the backing of what is being developed on it and all else will be left behind in what they have so wanted.

This IS amazing and its the first time I have seen something like this with any coin. Other coins that have forked killed the old fork. IMO, they should never have allowed this to happen. Allowing forks to split the currency devalues the currency and hurts investors. The community voted for the hard fork and that should be the only ETH left in existence. I think in the long run it still will be but the infighting that is taking place now is embarrassing to the Etherium community - and I think that is the intent of some people.

For me personally, I could care less. I take my profits where I can. But the biggest problem in this entire alt-coin world is the lack of regulation and authority. From the pumping and dumping to the disinformation and scams, it all makes this entire environment untrustworthy. This stuff would result in criminal charges if it existed in a regulated investment system. In this system , people are actually rooting for the thieves, although I think that is limited to thieves stealing from someone else and not them.

I agree.. how many coins havent you had the message "MANDATORY UPDATE - HARDFORK"..

This one invited the old chain to live on by giving each user an option.

Is this by accident?
I think not.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by sheer incompetence.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 27, 2016, 09:47:33 PM

Quote from: MoneyJ on July 27, 2016, 09:44:34 PM

If I have 0.02 ETH in pre fork, am I going to have ETC?

You already do. If your funds are on the exchange (e.g. Poloniex) check your balance. If you have your own wallet you will need to split the balances first however it might not be worth doing it for the 0.02 ETC.

Ok if you say so thanks
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Quote from: MoneyJ on July 27, 2016, 09:44:34 PM

If I have 0.02 ETH in pre fork, am I going to have ETC?

You already do. If your funds are on the exchange (e.g. Poloniex) check your balance. If you have your own wallet you will need to split the balances first however it might not be worth doing it for the 0.02 ETC.

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If I have 0.02 ETH in pre fork, am I going to have ETC?

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http://www.altcointoday.com/chinese-exchange-yunbi-lost-40000-etc/

Chinese Exchange Yunbi Lost 40,000 ETC Over Chain Vulnerability

the Ethereum Foundation which employs countless of experienced developers working on sharding, Casper and other applications has come out in support of ETH:

We will focus our resources and attention on the chain which is now called ETH (ie. the fork chain)

Ethereum users and dapp developers can, therefore, fully ignore ETC and be safe from relay attacks if they transact on only one chain allowing the two communities to freely co-exist and compete in their chosen path.

etc HF or die...

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we could use some comedy Cheesy

Interview with hacker ^^

Must admit i laughed a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEvaqJ6DWs

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Quote from: bitfish on July 27, 2016, 06:09:46 PM

Quote from: Soul_eater_123 on July 27, 2016, 04:04:24 PM

Like I said it was nice while it lasted thanks to Tool and his cronies for wrecking it for everyone:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thecryptofiend/ethereum-must-fork-again-is-this-the-end-for-eth

I call this BS. ETH chain has no replay problem. Only if you want to play ETH plus ETC (= prefork ETH chain) you'll have to take care.

Yet all pre-fork ETH bagholders automatically get bags of ETC so the risk exists even if you try to pretend otherwise.

And the risk was created by failure to implement countermeasures despite warnings before the fork and before ETC was a thing. To turn this around and make it a responsibility of the chain that didn't fork is somewhat misleading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4t2jfq/security_the_oldtonewchain_replay_attack_and_the/

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Quote from: bitfish on July 27, 2016, 06:09:46 PM

Quote from: Soul_eater_123 on July 27, 2016, 04:04:24 PM

Like I said it was nice while it lasted thanks to Tool and his cronies for wrecking it for everyone:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thecryptofiend/ethereum-must-fork-again-is-this-the-end-for-eth

I call this BS. ETH chain has no replay problem. Only if you want to play ETH plus ETC (= prefork ETH chain) you'll have to take care.

It's free money though so who won't be tempted to do it?

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Quote from: Soul_eater_123 on July 27, 2016, 04:04:24 PM

Like I said it was nice while it lasted thanks to Tool and his cronies for wrecking it for everyone:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thecryptofiend/ethereum-must-fork-again-is-this-the-end-for-eth

I call this BS. ETH chain has no replay problem. Only if you want to play ETH plus ETC (= prefork ETH chain) you'll have to take care.

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Quote from: likeBTC on July 27, 2016, 04:14:09 PM

Why is this coin popular? Why should I buy this now?

What do you expect?
Investment advice from BCT forum?
Why not taking a lighter and burning your $$$ right away?
Burning your money has the same rate of success but even will work faster...

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Quote from: likeBTC on July 27, 2016, 04:14:09 PM

Why is this coin popular? Why should I buy this now?

You need to do more research. I would not buy this coin right now personally, but that's just me - Do your own homework, a lot has gone on with this coin in a short amount of time! Huh

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